G’morning to all you exciteable cat 4’s and elitist 1/2/3’s! CJ here, helping schmalz with Hopeful Fridays through the CX season. Apparently Mr. Schmalz would rather drink wine coolers and watch Judge Judy repeats, so I’m happy to pick up the slack and let you know about the myriad CX races that will be comin’ at you every weekend until December! I’ll try to keep the fart and pork jokes to a minimum.
The flow of road races has gone from a U23 Junior’s Ween to that of a Master’s 40+ racer who rides an SMP Saddle. For those of you still looking for glory and bragging rights on the asphalt, there’s the CRCA Team Finale on Saturday.
For the Mud, Beer, and Cowbell crowd, the CX Season kicks off its 2nd weekend with Whirlybird CX on Saturday in Bryn Athyn, PA. Apparently the promoters like to keep the race "exciting" by buzzing the racers with a Helicopter and having it land in the middle of the course while the races go on…
Also,If anyone out there didn’t get enough of GMSR and wants to drive 6 hours for 90 total minutes of racing over two days, then you’re in luck! The Green mountain Cyclocross weekend up in Williston, VT is going on all weekend.
For an excuse to drink beer, the CRCA is putting on a Womens’ Worlds viewing party on Saturday night. Our very own Evelyn Stevens is in the race, so come cheer her on and scream obscenities at the TV in a drunken stupor! That’s what I call good, clean, family fun.
did any one proofread this for you?
I would of thunk it was Schmalz writing that 🙂 I know your co-hort in crime is going to Mass for the Blunt Park race; meanwhile I’ll be having a beer (or two — or three) while I open up the New England series with 350 riders.
Enjoy the weekend, everyone!
Alan
Are you going to fall in front of a photographer again?
http://tinyurl.com/yaf7hmo
CJ proofed it, but he only has a 6th grade education.
not only does CJ write like Schmalz, but he rides like him too.
my ween got huge while reading this… lolz
to say that CJ writes like schmalz is pretty inaccurate. this writing is obviously that of an excit(e)able cat 4. check the usage of exclamation points.
Wow… you’re right. A total of four (!!!!)!
SQUIDS
The lunatics have taken over the asylum!
are bitches. cj is my hero.
UCI Pro men’s race gets UCI 1.2 status for 2010: http://blue-mondays.blogspot.com/2009/09/tour-of-battenkill-gets-uci-12-status.html
Pro/1/2
PL BIB LAST NAME FIRST NAMETEAM TIME LICENSE
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2 97 HEGYVARY Adrian Hagens-berman Llp Cycling 1:24:32.7 148088
3 91 EPSTEIN Gavi Champion System Racing 1:24:32.8 179451
4 70 ALVARAGO Jorge Kahala-lagrange 1:24:34.6 201024
5 80 DEWALD Ryan Batley Harley Davidson/ Sanoma 1:24:39.2
6 54 HEKMAN Mark Mountain Khakis 1:24:41.7
7 119 PAULINO Euris Champion System Racing 1:24:42.0
8 51 KEOUGH Jake Kelly Benefit Strategies 1:24:42.2
9 66 FALCON Yosvany Champion Porsche 1:24:42.3 208086
10 72 MARTINEZ Alexi Kahala-lagrange 1:24:42.3 190569
11 58 MYERSON Adam Mountain Khakis 1:24:42.4
12 81 KAM Danny Bearclaw 1:24:42.7 165840
13 111 CARR Adam Ten Speed Drive / Bh Bicycles 1:24:43.0 208854
14 93 SANTIAGO Rodney Champion System Racing 1:24:43.1
15 75 ATTKISSON Kevin Texas Roadhouse 1:24:43.4 201060
16 100 GANDARA Jaime Kenda Pro Cycling 1:24:43.8 130311
17 94 MANN Phillip Ciclismo Racing 1:24:44.6 196817
18 98 NIETERS Jared Haymarket/function Drinks 1:24:44.8 220150
19 118 ABRAHAM Emile Aerocat Cycling Team 1:24:44.9 TRI19740428
20 53 ZWIZANSKI Scott Kelly Benefit Strategies 1:24:45.3
21 110 CRATER Andrew Team Wheel & Sprocket 1:24:45.5 70612
22 67 HANSLEY Seth Champion Porsche 1:24:45.7 201753
23 56 HOWE Isaac Mountain Khakis 1:24:48.7
24 84 KIRKWOOD Kevin Bicycle Haus Racing 1:25:00.5 47269
25 59 LEMIEUX Pat 1:25:01.3 210769
26 76 HARTRICH Coulton 1:25:01.6 286536
27 108 MCNAMARA Matt Sterling Sports Group 1:25:03.9 23775
28 105 ATEN Christopher South Lyon Cycle Race Team 1:25:03.9 234254
29 71 AYALA Victor Kahala-lagrange 1:25:04.4 128496
30 87 SALAZAR Jay Canyon Bicycle Of Salt Lake 1:25:04.6 #55810
31 99 FOOTE Bain Herring Gas Cycling Team 1:25:04.7 189143
32 113 WHITE Garrett Ten Speed Drive / Bh Bicycles 1:25:04.9 202202
33 101 CHE Paul Pista Palace 1:25:05.0 238294
34 107 INCONIGLIOS Matt Stage 1 / Fusionthink 1:25:06.3 17360
35 120 EDWARDS Johnathan Barry Lasko Dds 1:25:06.6 10514
36 73 MENDEZ Gustavo Kahala-lagrange 1:25:07.1 217128
37 88 HARWARD David Canyon Bicycles 1:25:07.3 15338
38 96 REYNOLDS Lang Hagens-berman Llp 1:25:17.0 168449
39 52 BOWMAN Dan Kelly Benefit Strategies 1:25:20.3
40 109 BERGMANN John Team Clif Bar 1:25:43.5 187522
41 117 ALCALA Noe Allegiant Airlines/pain Md’s.c 1:25:47.3 231101
42 74 GODFREY Hayden Subway Avanti Cycling Team 1:26:02.0 NZL19781215
43 82 MARCOTTE Eric Bicycle Haus 1:26:02.1 212698
44 114 ZAPATA Jesus Ten Speed Drive / Bh Bicycles 1:26:15.6
45 112 JORDAN Emiliano Ten Speed Drive / Bh Bicycles 1:28:02.2 139734
RYAN DEWALD Bro!
nice…
Reminder – there’s also a memorial observance for Pat O’Donahue on Saturday at 9:30 behind Strictly, followed by a ride up 9W. Riders will depart at 8:30 from the Boathouse following the club race.
We’ve lost one of our own in Pat, who founded Setanta and raced in the 90’s. He was teammates with Martin Bruton, Jose Collado, Pete Barlin, and Jeff Vogel, among others.
A tough and fierce competitor. It was great to hear the Irish brogue of O’Donahue and Martin B in the peloton.
“Excitable Cat. 4s” is a bit old and beat. How about suggestions for a new, fresh adjective?
when they stop being excitable, we’ll come up with a new adjective.
crash test dummies
almost every PP race has a yard sale before the start line
“Excitable Cat 4” is just so good. It’s a catch-all.
Were there any ween enlargement pills at interbike?
Handcrafted knitted ween hammocks are going to be the next big alternative cycling gear. It is making cycling fashionable with a whole new urban crowd and I am excited to help fuel this growing trend.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/usa-crits-finals-ne/stages/stage-1/photos/89175
will the hammock be a bespoke ball schweddy perspiration solution?
Yikes. Vegas podium girls. Do they kiss or is that extra.
B field Boyd Cup this AM? I know it was close between Marmo from Setanta and Sniadowski from Organic?
Uh….Bert Sugar scored it 110-100 for Marmo
Marmo is an ashole! Grow up boy you and you team should be reported with USA cycling for trying (with out success) to throw a bike to fellow rider…. Would you like a sugar cone boy?
some cat 4’s were excitable today AFTER the race.
Steve needs to be banned from racing in the park, Setanta should get rid of him asap. Do we all have to worry if we do something he doesnt like we get attacked after the race.
There isnt much more embarassing things then dudes in lycra fighting in central park at 8am.
What he did was not right – I was right next to him as it was happening. He put a lot of things at risk. I hope the Foundation racer is OK. If Steve gets into trouble with CRCA or US cycling, unfortunately it will be something he will have to accept. Steve needs to control that anger.
However, guys like you “David Ziptie” and “Bastien Polished” are cowards, bastard and to say the least, a-holes, as well. The whole field saw what happened. Steve probably feels crap about it now and Setanta probably is upset also. There is no point and no reason for you to post comments like that anonymously. Grow up
Sentanta guys are pretty chill (except for the guy who is always bustin on Will S on this site) and I doubt they condoned this guy’s behavior. Fighting at this level or any level while participating in ones hobby is just lame. When it gets to that point many guys start to find other things to do with their spare time.
Sad.
pugilism from the pizza parlor to cat’s paw
yes, that’s right:
Steve Marmo,
Slow is a marmot*, both on the bike and on the bike ‘throw.’
Slow on the brains.
Steve Marmo, wrong on speed, wrong on brains;
Steve Marmo, wrong for cycling.
Paid for the Foundation for Clean and Asshole Free Cycling of the Greater New York Metropolitan Area
*Large ground squirrel known to be slow and lazy, and often stupid
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/09/26/sports/AP-BBO-Dominican-League-Drugs.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
I wasn’t there, but I have to disagree with Etsu, if you start a physical altercation because of a bike race than you’re a douche and deserve being called one anonymously on this site. Plus why would you put you’re name to an insult to someone who clearly has some anger issues. I don’t want him attacking me with a broken bottle.
How did the throwdown compare to the ’09 FBF Rumble? Do the Burrowes have any reason to be worried?
I don’t think Steve will attack you with a broken bottle or a bike just bc you told him he was wrong on this site using your own name. There’s probably a lot more to him than what you saw in some video clip.
What he did was wrong, no doubt about it.
He need to think of the consequences and this should not be taken lightly. What’s probably more important is though, to make sure that the Foundation rider is ok, and that Steve(or anyone else) doesn’t do this again.
I don’t think attacking him like this on this site does any good to the situation other than add more negative stuff to him or about him.
BTW, any pictures up yet? Congrats to Leznik(Lance!) for winning the Boyd.
Marmo said there’d be days like this/There’d be days like this, Marmo said
can someone say exactly what happened?
Easier to just show it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYtXwZv2mPM
But otherwise Etsu is right IMHO.
Marms was dropping f bombs at Eutimio after the race for making him lose and everyone was telling him to shut up. Eut threw some water on Marms and Marms went apeshit on him and threw his bike at him. Thats all I saw.
I heard Lisbon is looking for Marms for trying to hurt his dad.
As is often the case, there is more to it. That Foundation guy bears a lot of responsibility in this.
You don’t ride up to someone after a race and start spraying them from your water bottle and cussing them out and not expect some kind of reaction.
Steve’s reaction might have been excessive, but WTF did Mr. Foundation think would happen to him when he did that?
Im sure this site will go on an on about the incident, with lots of conjecture, which is sad.
Of this you can be sure, if you weren’t there you will not get an accurate account of it here.
Are there pics?
means “cool off hothead” in the international cycling scene. But whatever might be its meaning or interpretation, it’s not an aggressive, nor certainly not an assault, move.
To return fire with destruction of property AND assault is excessive.
That said, lets hope that Eutimio is OK and if so lets try to put this blemish behind us.
I think a public apology is in order to bring the classy back…
Well, I didn’t think an apology was in order, but if it pleases, I apologize for peeing in the shower when I got home today.
Actually, I think spraying water would be considered simple assault, though I’m no lawyer.
Hissy fits in bike races are always silly. Especially park races.
I take baths.
Etsu, I didn’t see you on here so passionately defending the Burrowes and Gavin after their fight. Your defense rings hollow just cause you know steve or are friends with him and think he’s a nice guy. There are no excuses for getting destructive or physical.
If we suspended people for posting anonymously, it’d just be Andy chasing Schmalz around the park, with coaching by Ray Alba.
how about we give a little congrats to hot karl for winning the CRCA opener AND closer this year instead of giving marmo all the attention.
Who is this Karl?
– I did not race with Burrowes or Gavin. And I wasn’t there to witness Burrowes and Gavin’s fight. Commenting on that would have been unfair, and very “hollow”.
– I don’t know Steve outside bike racing.
However, I saw this incident unfold in front me. And since I race with these guys, I am impacted more.
Now, no go away, and let me watch Evie race in peace.
Read again what I wrote.
Where did I say his action should be excused?
I never say or imply that Steve is a “nice” guy(You did) or
that he should be “excuse(d) for getting destructive or physical”. I am ESL but I know what I said.
…. screeching and whining like a big baby, running around like he needed his diaper changed!
Setanta needs to reign that FOOL in with a good punch in the mouth.
But Vogel did nothing!
Today, 9W saw Pat O’Donahue’s ashes thrown into the wind by original Setanta members. There were no SETANTA “newbies” there, only original founding team members.
Comparing these decent people to this fool Marmo is like comparing speed bumps to the Himalayas.
Marmo needs to make a public apology to Mr. Quintero and shut the fuck up, train harder and scrub his dumb tattoo off his arm…… IDIOT!!!
Suspend him for 7 races minimum.
Put the facts to the CRCA membership and let’s all have a vote: Suspension YES/NO!!!
It’s people like this douche that give the club a bad name!
If I see that fool at a race in 2010 I’ll tell him the same as I’ve posted here!
….. after 2010
If the Marmo fool was black CRCA would have suspended his ass, no doubt but we see again after Gavin and Ricky Lowe that no suspension, BSSSSSSSS all over the place.
I think you right Senor Etsu
for this site, for the behavior of excitable cat4s, for it is a reflection of CYCLING IN NYC (society)…
Both riders and perhaps their teams should be given a “statement of profound disappointment” from Mike Green, and asked to perform some community service and fined.
Sweat equity and $10000 cash would suffice…as any by-stander that becomes involved will surely SUE THE CLUB!!!
Mike saw it all but said fuck all!
http://velonews.com/photo/98606
I believe the link above has a shot of Steven leading the front group and the World Champs today. She was 15th… funny, the best racers in the area are always the ones you never hear from. Quiet, hard working and humble.
Wow, so there was a fight in CP today? It was after a race, and culminated with a bike being thrown? This sounds very familiar. Will anybody be able to set foot in the park again? Will people stop doing CRCA races forever because there was a fight? Where’s the bigotous righteous indignation?
Oh that’s right, NYC bike racers only get their panties in a bunch when african americans fight.
Yes…right on point….. only when Ricky Lowe and Gavin fight is there any action taken. Ricky got a 7 race suspension, but this Marmo mook get’s zero! PATHETIC.
that Marmo won’t be suspended?
hey all of you who have such good and specific ideas of how and what should be done, by mike green or “crca.” you are presumably in crca….when was the last time you volunteered for the board so you could help make sure things were done right?
and, yeah, who says he won’t be disciplined?
He has reeked havoc in the field for Century’s!!!
He can’t even ride a paceline with his own team, Foundation, which says it all…they cause most of the crashes!
KEN HARRIS STAY THE SLUT OUT OF THE WRECK LANE!!!
I will never race my cat5/Dogma/SRM/Lightweights in the Park again after this season!
i’d rather get in a fight with marmo over ricky any day
where is the righteous outcry. here’s a mirror…take a good look:
https://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2009/favorite-argument#comment-60601
5:09, your notes should be written by individually clipping the letters out of newspapers and magazines.
Can someone explain to me what the fuck was Eutimio doing in the B field? He’s been racing the As all season and today conveniently races Bs, interferes with the race outcome and, hmm, lets see, Foundation takes the B cup. Slimy tactics by the leaders of Foundation (Ric Wolfe, Tony Pechenik).
How was he allowed to race down?
Masters can race “down” in CRCA club races.
There were a few A’s from NYAC as well. Good strong riders, made the race more interesting if you ask me.
Enjoy them with a nice cup of simmer-down-nawh.
There are still races Central Park? Let’s end that shit and give the park to their rightful owners: runners
first i would like to say that foundation had low blow tactics. i can understand boxing me in but not almost crashing me out. second if he is an older A rider, you think he would be able to handle his bike better.
coming to the finish line what ever his name is on foundation, went from the middle of the pack and cut me off and touched wheels, causing me to lose the team cup and the boyd points. real low life tactics but that is racing right.
that is not the only reason for me throwing my bicycle at him. after the race finish i turned around and said “what the fuck was that” and called him a “piece of shit”. as i am riding away heated i looked around and all of a sudden he opened a bottle and threw it at me. that is when i got off my bicycle and threw it at him. I ADMIT IT WAS WRONG but, i would do the same if anyone threw a open bottle at me. i do believe that HE WAS JUST AS WRONG AS ME and if not worse for that horrible ending.
p.s and whom ever is saying because i am not black is a real ignorant low life and i am sure you are probably on foundation. last i checked we have a black president, which i am proud to say i voted for you idiot.
What a surprise
This board is totally blown out
egads. glad i just race by myself, on my turbo trainer, in a van down by the river…
http://nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/1-in-8-million/index.html?hp&hp#
If you throw a bottle at someone you’re asking for trouble. That’s instigating a fight, plain and simple.
Seems as if several people were in the wrong, not just one.
Move on now. Next topic.
Who’s gonna win Worlds tomorrow?
How come outside of NYC you never see the level of fighting and BS that goes on in CP and PP? Seriously…
is why didn’t Setanta get Steve the hell outta there. He was throwing a hissy fit in full view of the racers and spectators. If I was on Setanta, I’d take one look at the scene and get him on a bike and beat it.
Part of being on a team, and being a good teammate, is protecting each other both on the road and off.
Setanta miffed it today….
just watched the ny times link.
i’d def. put my money on marmo to take the cage fight.
you really f’d up. Why don’t you admit it and stop acting like a child.
Bottom line: Your front wheel is YOUR business. Manage that. Deal with that. Don’t throw bikes or punches because you cannot handle the responsibility. Grow up.
This fight is totally diverting attention away from the Metrigear Vector Power meter
… an evil plot by SRM and Saris to different attention away from Metrigear.
Damn you! You sank IBike and now you’ve got your teeth into Metrigear.
If this was hockey it would all be ok. There is just something jarring about seeing men in lyrca spray water on each other and throw bikes. The civility! Those poor bystanders in CP (especially the children) will be haunted by that image forever.
Marmite and “that foundation guy” … just make up and serve your suspension. We know you’re on the SRM bankroll. Just admit that and move on.
CRCA should erect a little sound-proof booth for people to fight in.
is how we are still racing in Central Park.
You idiots who want to fight about race results, please do it miles away from the park. Cyclists are not friends of the park. Most people who use the park and who are not cyclists hate cyclists. We do not have the best track record for cooperative park behavior. It is not just CRCA members, but we get lumped in with tourists riding on the paths and the overzealous cyclists who want to do time trials during primetime peak hours. Within CRCA, with early morning fights at our races and just general disrespectful behavior such as riding in the running lanes, we will soon lose our privilege to race in the park. And, trust me that most of the park users would cheer at that prospect.
and they are excellent as usual.
Just curious, if it’s true Mr Foundation was so erratic then did anybody protest or were the post race activities limited to bike tossing?
i don’t know bout bike tossing but i can talk about ween tossing all day, lolz…
CAN YOU NARCISSISTS STFU ABOUT SOME BIKE TOSSING FREDS AND GIVE IT UP FOR YOUR LOCAL WHO JUST ROCKED THE WORLDS? SERIOUSLY, GET YOUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT.
Let’s get something straight – Regardless of what happened after, what Foundation did was really disgusting racing.
Eutimio did not just almost take down Marmo, he also blocked the whole right side of the field from sprinting. Coming into the sprint he was full speed behind Steve Magyera and then suddenly slowed down, cut across the front, and not only blocked Marmo, but almost took out our sprinter and any one on the right side. That move is not just F’ed up, but also illegal.
One can only assume that Foundation brought Eutimio in from the A field to do this. That he was even brought into the B team cup final race at all is really despicable, and shows why Foundation has such a terrible reputation.
If you ride on that team, you should hang your head low on your team “win”.
First, I hang my head high on this win and every point that my team has earned throughout the season. We came from last place in 2008 and made some great efforts to get to the front this season. I invite any of you to come and ride with us, get to know me and my fellow teammates before getting so nasty. We are a decent, considerate, and competitive team.
My opinion is that your story is not well supported by facts nor probabilities.
Since you raised some interesting points in your post, let’s examine them. Summarized, i feel that your story is NOT what the pictures show and conflicts with what I know of my own position during the leadup to the sprint.
Coming down Harlem Hill, I was on the far LEFT side and was actually trying to get to the RIGHT side of the road where both Jim Andrello and Eutimio might be able to give me a leadout. The amount of riders on the right side was extreme and I decided that it was too risky to get mixed up with so many closely-spaced racers. Eutimio was NOT on my wheel at ANY time, not even close, but on the other side of the road. So, your story is incorrect on that point.
Next, have you examined the sprint pictures? Please look at all 4 in sequence. You can see that Eutimio and Leszek are approximately equal distance apart through the 4 picture sequence. How could Eutimio have slowed down then cut off a bunch of people and then sped up again to match Leszek’s speed in the sprint…and finish 4th no less?
Your assertion that Eutimio slowed down then does not make sense. How could he have slowed down and still placed 4th in the sprint while maintaining similar speed to the other racers in front and behind him?
Anyone can get cut off in a sprint. It happened to me in the Maltese race. I didn’t throw my bike, curse, or even raise my tone. I did address the person after the race and we talked about it. I wrote the experience off as chance and my own slow reaction in trying to negotiate around that rider.
Having crashed hard in April (35mph over the bars, stage 3 A.C. joint separation) and sat on the sidelines for 2 months, i am very much aware of dangers in our sport. I would never advocate a race tactic that could hurt a bunch of riders and friends like that. I like the people i train and race with.
I enjoy our sport and the friendships that I have made through it. Let’s take a minute to realize that we are all connected by our dedication to this sport and lets try to enjoy ourselves instead of creating anger, resentment, and hate.
Steve Magyera
You know what that sounds like? A sprint in a bike race.
Well, that’s because you haven’t paid attention. I have trained and raced in the Philly/South Jersey and this type of behavior has been displayed at Greentree and on the Drive. Fistfights, wheelchopping, shoving — It’s a part of bike racing. Get your panties out of a bunch.
Somebody gets cut off in like every single race…duh. And if it was so “illegal” how come nobody successfully protested it…AFAIK Eutimio placed 4th. And while we’re at it, Setanta was also guilty of having guys race down.
But the crux of the issue is not whether guys were interfering or racing down, it’s the attitude that when a guy cuts you off the reply is fisticuffs. Keep that shit out of bike racing and learn play nice (or learn to protest).
pussy move by foundation
jackass move by marmo
Ok, so here’s a cheer for our local phenom, Evie. What a great cap to an amazing season! And nice anticipation of stuff to come next year!
And fun party that Mike Green organized to watch. Thanks Mike!
DC
yo marmo–if i were you i would have kept quiet. your post is absurd, especially the voting for obama part.
weirld’s low point
http://www.universalsports.com/mediaPlayer/media.dbml?SPSID=105625&SPID=13044&DB_OEM_ID=23000&id=650453&sid=13044
needs to take some bike tossing lessons from Millar.
There is no justification for what you did. It doesn’t matter what another rider did, if someone rode dangerously or threw water at you, bring it up to the officials or just walk away.
I hope you and your wattle friend are thrown out of CRCA and not allowed to race ever again.
Seriously wot is with all the macho man delusions about race tactics and fighting and so on in B races. You guys shd be happy you put your bibs on the right way. Everything else is a bonus.
From what I saw Marmo lifted his bike overhead and threw it at the Foundation rider’s head while he appeared to be “walking away”…something Marmo should have done in the first place rather than initiate the hostilities by yelling profanities.
I hope the Foundation rider is ok but what would have happened if he lost an eye (or worse)? Marmo would be in jail and there would have been cops, medics and lawyers galore and a lot of bad press for the CRCA. Racing, especially in CP, is a privilege not a right. People like Marmo put us all at risk in more ways than one.
wasn’t espn filming a strongman competition that morning? marmo hoisted the bike, the other guy a watter bottle. marmo wins!
I’m reserving judgement until I hear from Marmo’s bike.
Looking at sprint photos I see no crazy tactics and it’s truly pointless to even say that two wrongs don’t make a right when the other one doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong and instead of an apology, gives excuses.
Others here said it right, that in this sport official protests and not violence is how we handle things. Admit that you over-reacted in the heat of a sprint (we’ve seen Cadel do it in Vuelta when he thought he was cut-off).
A bike is not the same as water especially when directed at someone twice your age. You show great strength on the bike, why not show that in character as well.
The sub-team concept within CRCA is very unique. Very few racers in other parts of the country get to race in Cat 4 fields with large team contingents and team tactics.
This incident demonstrates that some B members are only learning half of the big picture.
Club races in the park are a great way to hone your skills, try new things, and feel comfortable racing in a group. Folks are obviously taking it too seriously. Eliminate team standings and boyd points.
Maybe it’s time to abandon the B Team Challenge and Boyd Award, if this is how people behave. The goal of the B field should be to teach people to race properly and prepare them to compete at a higher level. When series points become a justification for verbal and physical altercations that threaten the club’s ability to hold races in the park, it’s really not worth it. Brawling over points is not only pathetic and stupid, it’s an insult to everyone who works hard to make racing in the city possible. Remember the code of conduct you signed when you joined CRCA? Read it again.
http://www.crca.net/membership/code-of-conduct/
seems the rule applies to older masters racers who at one time were A but after a long hiatus have lost their form. i doubt the rule was created to allow ringers to race down.
How can you be allowed to race when you are so out of control that you assault another rider and are incapable of an apology because you can’t admit you were wrong. Very sad that you think violence will solove any of your problems and it does not look good for the team to defend how about getting him some counseling so next time he does not attack phisically but discuss the matter in a civilized way
methinks a dual is in order, whilst sporting a bespoke perspiration solution, naturally. tally ho!
Ralpha jokes = tired.
Come on guys do you really want to let one bad incident ruin an otherwise fun and great competition? 99.9% of us just want to race and have fun.
CRCA should lifetime ban Marmo and put Setanta on watch. And going forward sub-team managers need to take a closer look at who they let on their squads, especially if someone’s been quoted as:
“People just think of me as, you know, a thug.”
“It was sorta like when I was getting in trouble and all these fights, it was like euphoric, I felt good when I acted out.”
“I don’t feel that comfortable around other racers sometimes.”
crca thug life, yo. beeyatch slappin da boyz wit shaved legs and rockin’ padded chamois. lovin’ the sound of crabon goin’ crunch. lolz.
bcup is good, it helps make it interesting, just like the spring series, fbf series, kissena sports series and the cadence series do.
99% of us Bs do keep the B series in proper perspective, unlike the other season competitions, there is no money on the line and we do it for fun.
this isolated over-reaction does not stem from the bcup or boyd programs, it’s simply breaking crca rules of conduct and should be addressed directly.
since it was a first offence I think an admission of breaking the rules along with an apology could result in a warning, noting that a second infraction would mean suspension.
at least that’s how gentleman would behave….
i prefer a c cup myself.
No one likes to hear about crashes and it truly sucks that Magyera had such a nasty spill earlier in the year. He sounds like a nice guy and it is reassuring that he would not wish that on others.
That said, I read Magyera’s defense of Eutimio’s disrupting the finish on Sat as basically: “it didn’t happen because I said it didn’t happen, and further could not have happened because Eutimio finished 4th”. Well, Magyera was in front of him, so how would he know? Except for his account of his own racing, Magyera’s entire post relates to something that happened behind him.
As for Gina’s pictures, they are very nice but offer no insight. What Eutimio did took place before those shots.
There are plenty of eyewitnesses who saw what happened first hand, right in front of them, and they all agree about what Eutimio did. As for the improbability of coming in 4th after slowing and blocking the lead up to the sprint, it is pretty clear that Eutimio has a damn good sprint. This year alone he won Harlem and came in top 5 at the Fitchburg Crit, Mengoni and Bear, all against much tougher 3 and masters fields.
Furthermore, since when does a “decent, considerate, and competitive team” bring a ringer in to a cat 4 club race anyway? Eutimio has not been a 4 since he won Bear Mountain in 2005.
If winning a begginers amature club race series under those circumstances makes Magyera and Foundation proud, and they can hang their head high…well, that speaks for itself.
Excuse-making, bush league tactics, dropping down sandbaggers, fights and total unwillingness to assume responsibility or even recognize the big picture- you guys are an embarrassment to yourselves and the rule-abiding riders you do have. I bet there are members of both clubs who are totally mortified.
In the meantime: more contrition, less self-absorption.
someone’s back wheel can not touch your front wheel get it, when you don’t react fast enough and touch the wheel ahead of you, as for Gina’s photos they show Eutimo minding his own business not cutting anyone of but I guess all this is pointless cause if you are out of control you loose it no matter what
i’m sopriced i undertands what that just said
I was right next to Marmo. Eutimio instead of keeping straight and letting his man pass cut right across the field. I also had to break. The photos don’t show a thing,they were taken after
not bodyknows eutimio racing background back in colombia???
I agree with Eutimio cutting across the field. His actions caused the guys on the right to slow and swerve left. Gina’s pictures show the aftermath of Eutimio’s “Wheel Cleaning.” I have no problem with good team race tactic’s but was it really needed to be done by a “A” with signigicantly more race experience than the guys he is racing against? Seems to go against the fair play attitude that the CRCA is trying to achieve.
CRCA should get rid of the “B Team” championship and the Boyd for B’s.
Enough of this. Boring. Schmalz versus Evie. That’s what we wanna see. Please make it happen.
I am interested in hearing about her training now that she is at the top level, where she is making her home base (Girona? NORCAL?) and also how much gear she gets from the team etc.. TT Bike, Road bike, SRM, kits.
Finally, would love to know what races are on her program next year.
marmo should be suspended from crca for the 2010 season, and the masters racing down rule should be examined. unfortunately, foundation was within the rules.
What rule allows this and why?
Sub-team Rules
Please click here to download the 2009 Sub-team Application.
CENTURY ROAD CLUB ASSOCIATION 2009 SUB-TEAM RULES
13. Team rider limits in Club Races:
a) A Field: The maximum number of racers a team may enter is nine riders. A-field riders may no longer “ride down” in the B field.
That would seem to suggest that Foundation was not within the rules.
What rule were you referring to 9:19?
Foundation should be suspended for 2010
my understanding is that a masters A can race down to B. if this is correct, it should not be for a B team’s convenience but for an absence from the sport or some other legitimate downgrade.
can any club directors verify the rule?
What is that understanding based on? There is no rule to back that up.
Foundation to disband in 2010
If train A left Chicago at 6:30 a.m., and train B left Grand Central at 9:30 a.m., what will the price of purple curtains be in Cairo?
from crca.net
“Field Eligibility
Club races generally have three or four groups (fields) racing separately: A, B, C and Women. For the men, Category 5’s participate in the C field, Cat 4’s in the B field, and Cat 1’s, 2’s, and 3’s in the A field. For the women, if there is no separate women’s field, W4’s may participate in the C or B field depending on experience and strength. W1’s, 2’s, and 3’s may participate in the B or A field depending on experience, strength, or choice. On days when a women’s-only field is racing, all women race together, separate from the men. We sometimes have a field for masters 40+; women 35+ can participate in that field if they want.”
But I swear I read somewhere that 40+ men could race down FOR THE SEASON. Can’t find it now.
Foundation cheated. Should they forfeit the B cup?
shouldn’t be forfeited, it should be taken from them. this is where organizers have to step up
http://www.trucknutz.com/bikerballz/products.asp
… and foundation still wins. Or is arithmetic not your specialty?
Foundation to eat a bag of dicks in 2010
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Setanta have a Cat 3 (i.e., David Carr) racing in the B field as well?
If any 20-something or 30-something Cat 4 is complaining about being beaten by these 50 year old gentlemen, then they might as well hand in their man cards and go race in the womens field next year. Unfortunately, they are unlikely to win their either.
If you are 50 and are willing to mix it up with some sketchy Cat 4s you should get a medal (or maybe a brain scan) just for showing up.
Personally, I would say that organizers/CRCA should send message and dq them, not just subtract points from this race. It either is or is not against the rules, and fuck this “you guys should race with the women…blah, blah, just beat em, crap”
competitions have rules, break the rules and get punished…not that fucking hard
ok so you’re saying dq both foundation and setanta and hand the cup to organic? like you said, break the rules…
cup is stupid anyway, but yes. clearly time for some deterrent action, break the rules, not in line for a win. is that really so controversial? geez, no wonder doping has such a presence in the sport.
oooohhh…really got me with the being consistent thing. you display the intelligence of a 5 year old.
take away the cup, give ’em a spittoon.
The B field should compete for the rusty trombone
Since people seem to remember it, my guess is that there was a rule at some point that allowed masters to ride down. Probably at a time when there was not such an emphasis on Team Cups and Jim Boyd.
Ultimately the CRCA views the park races as skill building exercises so that we can get to out of town races and do well.
I like racing with more experienced riders and will enter combined 3/4 races to get practice when I can. But in a season long cat 4 race series it doesn’t make sense to have strong masters competing against 4s. Either drop the points series, or don’t let them ride down. But don’t do both.
And for whatever it is worth, Eutimio placed a couple of times earlier in the season as well. And would also lead out Abraham Solar before Abraham upgraded
Yes, but WHO’s rusty trombone will they play?
this is interesting as SHIT
Goddamn off-season sucks already.
Next up on Off Season Eye for the Depressed CRCA Guy: a discussion of the best fenders for winter….
Why must some people refer to a velodrome as a “velo”. That doesn’t make any sense… ‘drome is more appropriate.
Velo = bike
Drome = course, or racecourse
It makes more sense to say, “I’m going to the ‘drome.”
Flame on, flaming flamers.
this point in the season is where we separate the fun loving CXers from the miserable roadies
http://prollyisnotprobably.com/31ec68ea8a499cf7d14e01daa9720b65.php
Those were the “some people”, methinks.
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US.
Yeah he probably deserves a lifetime ban, and yeah it was a dumb move, and yeah the CRCA needs a good reputation in the park but you know what, FUCK IT!!! Some fucking asshole THROWS the contents of his water bottle in your face, fuck that!!! Unfortunately we are all a bunch of pussies and would have accepted our post race baths with a little name calling, not Marmo. Hell if I was there I would have been secretly rooting him on, all the while showing outward disgust at this foolish behavior. Eutimio deserves a lengthy suspension also. Next time he will think twice before fucking with a Gringo!!!!
Assault with an electrolyte-enhanced water spray is a punishable offense with up to, but not to exceed, 6 months in pound-in-the-ass-prison, or lifetime relegation to Cat 4., whichever is worse.
If Steve is subject to disciplinary action by the CRCA, then most certainly Eutimio should be too. You probably wouldn’t throw a bike (or a punch), but seriously, would you really do nothing if someone squirted their backwash in your face? Probably not.
As for racing, riders should abide by the rules and race to their level, but NO ONE should be bitching about losing to a so called “ringer” in the B race. We’re not racing against Lance for goodness sake. The whole reason we race is to have that feeling of beating that guy who is supposed to be better, has been racing all or his or her life and has a better racing pedigree. Eff that, that’s the motherf&*ker you WANT to beat! Tell those old school Masters to bring it! I don’t care if his two wheels are attached to a wheelchair, I’ll race his ass! I say, don’t exclude other strong riders, welcome them, train hard over the winter and then beat them to the line at the first race next spring. That’s what I’m going to do… right after I drink the weekend away on vacation! haha
That is true, but just like car accidents where some jack-ass weaves through traffic, cuts you off and puts on the brakes–causing you to rear-end them–there are going to be times in bike racing when even the most experienced bike racer/handler gets tripped up by someone pulling a stunt like Eutimio did. Yes, you are responsible for protecting your front wheel, but that doesn’t excuse everyone else from also racing responsibly and ethically. Its a very poor argument being forced upon less experienced “B” riders, as a “just shut up” excuse for a purposely irresponsible move by a more experienced racer. Foundation knew exactly what they were doing from the moment they decided to enter an A racer in the B field to the final sprint where Eutimio purposely shut down the left side of the field. Its too bad, because their sprinter probably would have taken it anyway, without all of the craziness…
Hmm you can make up these stories but I DID RACE AND DID see what happened.
Setanta sprinter wasn’t in control of his bike and tapped E. back wheel.
Good luck having him on your team and defending his reactions!
To most of us this is just common sense, but if you need to see it in black and white, here are the relevant rules from USA Cycling:
http://www.usacycling.org/forms/USAC_rulebook-1.pdf
1A3. Category: An ability-based designation for riders.
1A4. Class: An age-based designation, such as junior, U23,
Elite, or master.
1K1. Eligibility. No rider may race in a category other than
that which is stated on his or her license.
Masters may compete in any races for their age or younger,
subject to category restrictions but not races exclusively for
Under 23s or Juniors.
1J2. It is the rider‟s responsibility to enter a race in the
proper class and category [disqualification and 30 day
suspension for competing in the wrong class or category]. The
fact that the registrars accepted the incorrect entry will not be
taken as an excuse.
1Q6. No rider may make an abrupt motion so as to
interfere with the forward progress of another rider, either
intentionally or by accident [relegation or disqualification;
possible 20 days suspension if a crash results].
1Q5 (c) No licensee may assault (an unlawful attempt, coupled
with the present ability, to commit a violent injury on the
person of another) or do battery (any willful and unlawful use
of force or violence upon the person of another) to anyone
connected with any event (including but not limited to riders,
officials, spectators, public officials, etc…) held under a USA
Cycling permit. [disqualified from the event, prohibited from
participating in another event for 72 hours & suspended for
up to one (1) year after due process]
I’d like to see 1Q6 enforced more often
so file a complaint after a race when someone does it to you?
hard to do when you are out cold