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@##=#<1,R>@##=#Do you get the ubiquitous “strategy” email every Friday? You know the one I’m talking about, the self-proclaimed strategist on your team sends out the plan for the race to the team e-group. Some are more detailed than others. “Attack a lot”
we all suck
I second that opinion
"we’ll go to the front and ride everyone off our wheels like csc"
Um, there’s no crosswind…
Every team seems to have at least one, whoa to the team that has more. And the more detailed the plotting the less it seems to resemble an actual bike amateur race.
As I have improved through the years and have progressed to better and better teams the typical moron who strategizes every race has become lesss and less. You get to the point where if your team is good enough and smart enough and most importantly all together in one goal then you don’t really need to talk that much.
However with that said I have heard Ed Beamon used to be notorious for plotting every Kilometer of a race.
"blow smoke up each others ass on the internet" seems to be the preferred team tactic these days. I suppose it does relieve boredom, though.
i believe jay f of adler has some genius strategy emails – one of them was written in gaelic
So if every km of the race was plotted out, what about those riders who are stubbornly american and have their minds set to miles, are they just out of the loop?
park races are like intermurals. nycity racers take them way too seriously.
As for out of town races, nycity racers are in way over their heads. Well, at least some of them are.
moment by moment scripting is the best. nothing about how to read a race.
Most regional races NYC riders dominate.
to – just my opinion
"As for out of town races, nycity racers are in way over their heads. Well, at least some of them are."
Take your opinion over to some results pages and get an education. City guys and gals certianly hold their own out of town, if not better.
So are NY City riders supposed to win and have 10 guys in the top 20 to do alright with you.
I hear this all the time about how we don’t hold up out of town. Thats a bunch of crap, we usually if not always hold our own.
My comment was not inteded to be negative. I just think that the club races should be more friendly. Central Park and Prospect Park races are like the first week of the Tour. They are a sprinters course. When you go outside of the city, strategy plays a way bigger role in the race. And some of us, me included, not used to that. And, yes, i do see how well nycity racers do in those races. I’m not talking about them.
Isn’t strategy more important on easier courses? Hard courses just whittle down the field, more like a mtb race. I like all hte messed up leadouts myself.
I don’t agree. The people who win on the easier courses are just the fittest. Strategy is for disquising weakness and amplfying ones strengths.
strategy does play a bigger part in the not very selective park courses…it’s possible for less strong riders to win these races if they’re smart.
no one can make up for a lack of fitness by just by being smart at bear mountain, for example.
Strategy is very important in NYC races (even if we don’t see it exicuted very well) since you see the same people week in and week out, to get ahead you have to rider smarter than the other teams otherwise the races are all the same.
i wouldn’t say i strategize about park races, but i do ‘know’ who i’m riding against and take their presence into consideration. where i should be in relation to them etc
exactly. floyd’s a good example of that, with the same ML guys battling JJ every week. JJ made a mistake 3 weeks ago, and look what he’s doing now.
The real question seems to be, how do you effectively execute your team’s strategy, and whether it actually makes any sense for the team you have?
i wouldn’t say i strategize about park races, but i do ‘know’ who i’m riding against and take their presence into consideration. where i should be in relation to them etc
Stratagy’s post is pretty right on. I bet the better teams dont really need to talk much. They probably have a formula and know each others strengths well enough to know what they can do and not do….prime example – Axis @ Grants tomb 06′
……still, hands down, one of my fav NYC teams
"The people who win on the easier courses are just the fittest. Strategy is for disquising weakness and amplfying ones strengths."
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while.
I like the spelling of disguising. It must be from the Bisquick school of spelling.
i hope the angry ones posting don’t have children
When I say that your nose couldn’t get any browner, its not a racist comment, ok?
Zoltan’s my boy…….none taken
We talk strategy all the time – but more like who is feeling good and who can do what. Also, who is in the field, the weather and who has to use the gents before the race. Lately it has been working as we have been able to get jared on a roll. Nothing in the end replaces FITNESS though. Typically the strategy for me is to have guys like Sean Marvel or some other guy take me out. leaving opportunity for my team-mate to place.
ray
even though local courses aren’t very selective, wind management/drafting (i.e. strategy) is sometimes a bigger factor than at out of town races where long climbs split things up – locally, races don’t get as strung out due to lack of space and big fields. locally you can stay in the peleton pretty easily, it’s like a vaccum chamber in the park sometimes.
Nothing against Jarrod, because he is riding really strong these days, but when you come to FBF with 1/2 the field in a Champion kit that is a little much. Now yes that isn’t their fault for wanting to race and no one else showing up but still it is a bit of a joke.
Also easy on Sean, your not the smoothest handler yourself. Things happen in races, guys get bummped, they hit potholes, shit happens.
if we all show up in ML team kits next central park race will we all work together or just kick each other’s asses
I thought strategy was about getting into the heads of your opponents, not wearing their used chamois. What do I know I am just a Cat 5…
get some epo that’s the best
It’s not just jared @ flyod. champion got dev flaherty a win at prospect and 4 in the top 10 against a very good field. So yeah, they have an big advantage at Floyd, but its floyd. Why not use it for a good workout and practicing working together?
I wouldn’t call that field at Prospect a very good field..but you can I guess. As for FBF, I know it is only Floyd.
"Typically the strategy for me is to have guys like Sean Marvel or some other guy take me out. "
When did Ray and Sean start dating and does Sean know Ray sees other people?
and btw, that prospect race had 7 cat 1s in the top 10, so know before you speak. fool.
Who were the 7 cat 1’s
how about ‘the little easy’
100 person field and guys like Alejandro Acton showing up – sounds like an easy field to me. yeah right.
the seven cat 1s were: devin flaherty, lisban quintero, horrace burrowes, kevin molloy, john durso, mike mcginley, david sommerville.
The field with Alejandro was a different field ass. He is talking about the week before. The race that overlapped Mt Holly
Kevin Malloy is not a 1 he is a 2
Horrace is only a 1 because he has a Guyana license
Dave and Mikle are good but not really cat 1 caliber
has anyone noticed that schmalz kind of looks like a gremlin in his helmet in glasses (a well kitted gremlin mind you)
He should be a 1 but is holding back as a 2!
If I’m not mistaken Molloy has tried but does not have enough points to upgrade. They are very strict about upgrading from 2-1. They won’t even upgrade Roger Aspholm is that tells you anything.
This forum is to funny.
Sean is a good guy and yes I think he owes me a date. As far as my bike skills – I have been riding a bike since the age of 3 and have been racing for nearly 30 years. So I think my skills are just fine! As for you, who remains anonymous- perhaps you should reconsider your skills.
I hold no hard feelings for Sean and since that day he apologized and I accepted. That day he took me out, Sean rode horribly and that is the fact. He knows it and I am sure learned from it as did I.
Now getting back to FBF – we had 6 guys in the field last night and every week I have at least 6 guys there. It is not my fault that my guys want to race and your teams don’t have guys that race. ML being one exception of course.
FBF is not easy which explains why every week more than 2/3 of the field drops and we still manage to get 1 to 4 guys in the top 10. Last night is a good example of that. You would think that the other riders, not on my team would be able to stick in but, so far they can’t. So I am not sure what you mean by saying "1/2 the field in a Champion kit that is a little much" when the fact is that if the field has 30 to 35 riders in it – how do you get that half is my team. And of the 35 riders, 6 being mine, what happened to the other 25 or so.
If you think I don’t have a good team, I think you oughta think again. Every team has a star, ours happen to be Jared and Devon. But, if you look at all the results from this season, we have a load of guys placing in a good portion of the regional circuit who have names that aren’t Jared Bunde or Devon Flaherty. And not just regionally – but against real pro’s out of this country.
I have worked hard to develop this team and foster team-work and I have to thank my riders, the people that help the team and most of all David Sommerville for making my program a threat to alot of the local teams (Mengoni being one of them)here as well as many of the out of town races we do. Next year should even be better considering we had a HUGE hiccup in our roster, and for the better too.
You could say whatever you want about me – cause yes, I suck. Having to many injuries, being way past my prime, and trying to be a businessman, father and team director – I don’t have the time to properly train to be competitive, though I will put up a fight as I always do. As for my other riders, I think they are doing fine and I expect them to develop nicely and maybe 1 or 2 of them turn pro. (Which might have already happened).
My 25 cents.
Ray
Ray you the man . dont sweat the chatter, your team is rocking these days.
Who cares about the 1 upgrade it is nice to have but so many dudes who have it are not that good, there are also many area pros who really are not that good as well.
as for the out of town racers compared to CRCA racers and park only racers there is a huge skill difference but a small watt output difference. the talent is here but the desire or ability to drive to races forms a community more inbred than Floyd Landis’
I’ve always put races in two categories – "you against the course" and "you against the other riders." The local courses (except for Park Ridge and the old Greenwich and Ossining courses for us fossils) are all in the latter category. Even Somerville is described as "downhill the whole way."
But that’s where you learn your tactics. At the extreme end of that are track races – where you can have a one bike-length gap that you just can’t close. It forces you to learn how important timing and positioning are.
That tendency for field sprints does tend to contribute to the (rarely justified) "I’m a sprinter" mentality though.
As for the Friday email, my favorite is the one before the first race of the year. You know the one, where all ten of us are going to be lined up starting at Tavern, with so-and-so sprinting long, and the other guy behind him for the late sprint, and then one more sweeping. And then we’re lucky to have two guys left in the last two miles, much less that one is in a position to lead out the other.
please make this website completely log-in comments..this is disgusting.
the race flaherty won was the weekend before mount holly, not the best-of-the-rest race on the mt. holly weekend.
look at this shit. this isn’t even high school, its junior high.
Lots of clowns. A clown possey. Well suited for racing on an abandoned airfield and that’s…………about it.
I just started a little argument about emails, where the discussion goes no ones knows…
how many other nyc teams besides champion have guys that are turning pro? How many have other cat 1s? I can think of two maybe. quit hating
Schmalz, how is that synergy between the vast nyvelocity media empire and selling those ML team kits going?
Does the ML team like having a mob of poseurs in ML kit thrashing around the city?
most of the ml team are posers themselves, so that would make the people buying the jerseys "(posers)squared"
none of this shit means anything unless you get out of the city once in a while. Roger, Durso and others come in to the city and kick ass because they’re highly seasoned racers, and strong as balls. There’s cat 1 and there’s carless cat 1…gotta travel.
refer back to the first post…
none of this shit means anything unless you get out of the city once in a while. Roger, Durso and others come in to the city and kick ass because they’re highly seasoned racers, and strong as balls. There’s cat 1 and there’s carless cat 1…gotta travel.
our cat 1s, devon and dave somerville are 19 & 37 respectively. They travel plently given where they are on the spectrum of their cycling careers. Give it a couple years. Devon will be showing up twice a year in between NRC races to visit his parents and tear our legs off. dave will be cheering him on from his lawn chair. Take it easy everybody..stop ragging on eachother. This is getting out of hand.
i could definitely see old dave cheering bitterly from a lawn chair on the hill in prospect. ahhahaha
travels quite a bit: California, stage races in Latin America (ever heard of El Puente?). Tour of the South China Sea
LIVES in california going to school and racing their for half the season, and travels w/ carless dave frequently to their exotic destinations.
"i could definitely see old dave cheering bitterly from a lawn chair on the hill in prospect"
But it’ll be a pimped-out lawn chair.
In the words of Sun-tzu,
"Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby, you can be the director of your opponent’s fate."
The G.P. Fred Mengoni is in italy!
Man, if you guys raced as hard as you bitched you might actually be good someday. Ease up off the Roids. We all know people only talk shit about the guys they fear…..
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