Polar CS600 with Power

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If we were to follow Stephen Colbert’s example and let the market be the arbiter of all things, then Polar’s first generation power meter was a flop. I don’t know a single person who still uses one, and those who did don’t have many good things to say about it. Now Polar is back with a second version, the CS600 with Power. While the essential components and algorithms of power measurement remain unchanged, they’ve been reconfigured for easier installation and made wireless.



 

What is it?

 

The unit is actually a few separate modules. You can buy the CS600 ($419.95) as an HR computer only, then add a wireless fork sensor ($54.95) to make it a cyclometer. A cadence sensor ($54.95) is also available. Finally, the Power Output Sensor ($359.95) can be added to make the whole package a power meter. Or you can buy everything together for $709.95 (the package doesn’t include the cadence sensor, as the Power Output Sensor has one built in). Correction: the fork sensor is included in the base unit for $419.95.

 

The computer is chock full of more bells and whistles than can be covered here. My favorite is the live readout of your left/right output. I’ve always had a severe imbalance in my pedal stroke, and no amount of time spent on Powercranks or one legged drills could fix it. But the instant feedback of the Polar readout got my left/right ratio from 40/60 to 49/51 in a matter of weeks. 

 

The CS600 can also measure the roundness of your pedal stroke. On a scale from 1 to 100, with 100 being perfectly round, 30 is very good. Interestingly, I’m easily over 30 on the rollers, and way under 30 on the road. You can also select intervals on your workout to see if your stroke breaks down under pressure. Another cool feature (which I didn’t use) is the ability to upload workouts to the computer, and then having it cue you for your intervals.

 

The Power Output Sensor works like an electric guitar. A magnetic pickup/power sensor sits next to a string/chain and registers the pitch of the vibrations. The pitch is dependent on string/chain length, density, and tension. You measure and input chainstay length and chain weight and length (from which the CS600 derives density), the sensor reads the pitch, and the computer calculates chain tension, which is your pedaling force. Another sensor mounted on the lower derailer pulley measures chain speed. With force and speed you get power. Simple and foolproof, right?

 

Installation

 

Well, apparently not. Unlike strain gauge power meters, the components of the Power Output Sensor aren’t neatly tucked away in a controlled environment. As you shift gears, chain to sensor distance and chain length change. Road vibrations add noise to the data. Chain density is measured by the user, and is only as accurate as your scale. Amazingly, for a device that’s so dependent on proper installation for good results, the instruction booklets (each module gets its own booklet!) are terrible. Here’s some tips I gathered from talking to the Polar people, none of which are in the booklet:

 

*The pickup resides under a round dot on the sensor unit. That dot needs to be at the midpoint of the chainstay, where the signal is strongest and purest.

 

*Rubber risers are supplied to lift the sensor up to the chain. You’ll need to double them up to get the sensor close enough (the gap should never exceed 3cm). Polar recommends a 2mm gap when you’re in the small/small combination, but since you’ll probably never use that crossover gear, the chain can be touching in this gear.

 

*The cadence magnet needs to be oriented horizontally when the crankarm is at 3/9 o’clock.

 

The good news is that it’s just as easy to install the unit correctly as it is incorrectly, and after a couple of tries it can be done in a matter of minutes. You could easily remove the power sensor for a big race and use the CS600 as a cyclometer, then reinstall for training.



 

So does it work?

 

I put in a few hundred miles with the CS600 alongside a Powertap, then compared numbers in Cycling Peaks WKO+ (check bottom of article for data). After several rides it became clear that the Polar was reading about 6% higher than the PT, so I inputted a lower chain weight (247 grams / 1.06 = 233 grams). Since tension is directly proportional to chain density, the Polar power numbers dropped 6% as well. Once I did this ‘calibration’ the two power meters matched very well, on the road and on rollers. The numbers for entire rides were always within 3% of each other (except for one ride, see data section below).

 

The first thing you notice while riding with both power meters is that the CS600 reacts to wattage changes slowly. The CS600 needs to take a few seconds of data to filter out stray road vibrations from its readings, so if you accelerate or deccelerate, it’ll take 3 or 4 seconds for the readout to catch up. As a result, the CS600 will miss big spikes in power – you won’t be able to register gawdy max wattage numbers. But for real life training situations, the CS600 is more than accurate enough.

 

Once I got things pretty squared away I did some tests. First I rode 2 minute minimum intervals without shifting, hoping to see if accuracy varied with chain to sensor distance. I really couldn’t discern a trend, though the CS600 did pretty badly on this test. However, this was a pretty flawed test, as I was spinning at 130+ rpm’s in some gears and 40 in others. True, this is the kind of thing that doesn’t bother strain gauge based power meters, but the CS600 is optimized for typical riding situations.

 

Next I tried some 5 minute intervals at 210, 230, 250, 270, 290, and 310 watts. I hid the Powertap display from myself so I could only see the Polar readout. I wanted to know how well the CS600 worked as a workout tool. In other words, if I targeted a certain wattage for an interval, would the CS600 be accurate enough guide me to the right wattage? The CS600 did remarkably well there, especially as the wattage increased. It was harder than using a Powertap, as the Polar’s delay had me yo-yoing with my effort until I hit a piece of road with a steady grade. But based on this test, I’d have no problem doing all my training with the CS600.

 

Time for Hate

 

Ok, here we go. First of all, it’s ugly. The CS600 really junks up your rear triangle. Secondly, there seems to be some QC issues with early runs of the CS600. There’s an enormous message board thread detailing transmission dropouts, with the likely culprits the battery pack or cable connections. Once I had things up and running I enjoyed a few weeks of perfect data transmission, with absolutely ZERO dropouts. Then, just as I started to gloat, the dropouts hit me. I was, however, able to fix it in every instance by pushing the connections in. At the same time the dropouts started I got some odd power spikes. That, or I can do 2000 watts seated.

 

Finally, I have to point out that Polar sent me 3 units before I got one that worked perfectly. Now, the one I’m using now is purring along nicely, but this should give you pause when you consider the CS600.

 

Perhaps the next version will have more robust connections and (as suggested on the cyclingforums thread) a rechargeable battery pack you can hide in a seat bag. That would be nice. Polar is working on improving the instruction manuals.

 

So where does that leave us?

 

The Clif Notes version of the CS600 with Power goes like this: It’s a $700 power meter that can work almost as well as ones that cost two or three times more. You don’t have to replace any of your beautiful components, and you can quickly rip it off your bike for an important race. Whether it’s the right power meter for you, then, becomes more of a Myers-Briggs test. Are you a type A rider whose every pedal stroke must be recorded to perfection? Must you compulsively upgrade your components until you have the best of everything? Do you throw things against a wall when they don’t work perfectly right out of the box? If so, stay away. If, however, you like to save a buck, have a bit of MacGuyver in you, think it’s normal to surf the web for tips, and believe that the world will still revolve if your mighty sprint goes undocumented, then you might want to give the CS600 a serious look.

 

Data


Here’s the gearing test. I did two minutes minimum in each gear on rolling terrain. I can’t discern a trend there. 

 


This is the interval test, where I didn’t look at the Powertap display to see if the CS600 could guide me to hitting my target wattage.



 

Here’s some sprints. This is the one workout where the CS600 didn’t come within 3% of the PowerTap for the entire ride. If you look at how it falls short on the sprints you can understand why. Interestingly, during a 19 minute span where there were no sprints, the CS600 read at 97% of the PowerTap. For the sprints, I’d ignore the minimum and average numbers, as grabbing identical 15 second intervals in the two files is pretty impossible.


 

74 Comments

Anonymous

nice report. i hear from others too that it works well once set up properly. i just can’t get around the visual clutter

Anonymous

For the compliments. The Polar USA guy did use the word stochastic, but I don’t understand the word well enough to use it myself.

Anonymous

ugly indeed. the pedalstroke data is interesting, though. thanks for the write-up, andy.

by the way, it looks like you have room on your bars for at least another mount or two… must be a way to get the iPhone on there, so you can watch video and write emails without taking hands off. Looks like you have a little room next to the OnStar, just to the left of the ATM.

Aaron

You can ebay a powertap pro for under $600. Seems like a better plan even with powertap’s weaknesses. The programmable head unit sounds helpful.

maxvain

article, below is a very indepth analysis of the polar/powertap/srm powermeters its well written, with alot of data for number crunchers like me.

srm – too damn expensive (cat1 and pro tool in my opinion)

I went with the powertap instead of the polar. It seemed as though there were just to many variables involved to have the polar system perform correctly consistently and I could do without the frustration. Chain tension, position of the sensor, Chain distance as you switch gears can all affect readings…

Also there is a new power meter to debut in Q1 of 08 it the Quarq power meter and there is the ibike that actually should not even be considered.

Here is the link for the review
http://www.biketechreview.com/archive/pm_review.htm

Anonymous

Remember Watts are only a reflection of what we are doing on the bike, the problem is that many people don’t do any work?

Thanks,

Anonymous

i agree – very good article. I have the CS600 w/ power and can concur on many of the points in the review.

i’m disappointed with the documentation and it seems like the product was rushed out the door without fully understanding some of the problems customers might face. for a product over $700, that seriously sucks.

i thought it good for training and baseline testing, but the frequent data drops were frustrating. I used it once at a FBF race and had almost no useable data. not sure if was the wind or the bumpy road or what.

the heart rate monitor aspect of it is really good though. I get almost no dropoffs for that and the newly designed heartrate strap feels nice and secure.

Anonymous

I was on the Palisades Parksway recently and exit 16 was closed? Is the race in danger? Have drug scandals in cycling delayed road work? Enquiring minds want to know.

Anonymous

apparently have better things to do than sit at traffic circles all day so a couple hundred people can race their bikes. Bummer.

Anonymous

The park dept allows limited access in the winter. The roads can get a little “Hairy” in the winter. Reopen in the spring.

Anonymous

and crappy cycling computers. I’ve had enough problems with past Polar cycling computers to never again bother with them especially a contraption like this.

Anonymous

Good write up Andy. One of my issues with Polar is the having to pay them to change the battery on the speed/cadence sensors. I hear the watch can be done by the user but voids the polar warranty. There’s something really wrong about that.

Anonymous

Lee, I think you’re talking about watches. This computer head has the typical battery cover that you unscrew with a coin. The HR strap now has one of those covers as well, which is great. The speed sensor will have to be replaced when it dies, but Polar says it’ll last 6 years if you ride ten hours a week (3000 hour life).

Anonymous

I purchased an iBike from Performance Cycles and it is cool! I went on a long ride with friend and compared readings to his PowerTap; mine were consistently 20-30 watts more which makes sense because he weighs less than I do. The iBike is light, unobtrusive, relatively inexpensive, and can help with aero testing as well. I’m really happy with it. I should also mention that Dave is pretty unhappy with his PowerTap because it has gone on the fritz 3 times in 2 years and had to go back to the company for repairs. He really likes his SRM, but it won’t fit in his new Specialized bike due to thread issues.

iBike setup is done in minutes, has given me very consistent results, seems quite accurate when compared to a PowerTap, and I got it for $300 (on sale for $379 at Performance, 20% off promo going, 10% member discount). I’m VERY happy with my iBike!

Anonymous

I expected my newly posted comment to show up here at the bottom. When it didn’t, I tried it again. And again. And again. A thousand apologies. If I could delete the dups, I would, but that doesn’t seem to be available to me. If a moderator or whoever can delete the dups, please feel free. Sorry!

Anonymous

I for some reason thought that this new device could be worn on the wrist as well. I like the fact that its a dedicated bike element. I do, however, still feel that the cadence and speed sensors should also be battery swap friendly. I dont understand this design decision at all. If the user discovers some problems with these devices, there’s no way one could quickly pop in a fresh battery to flesh out for damage.

…and I’ll quote the coen bros. Fargo on this –
“I think ya better check yer polic’n work there deputy!”

Anonymous

It’s annoying to have to send them back for service. That said, the service is good. I sent an HRM receiver and two transmitters back a few weeks ago for batter replacement and they didn’t replace the batteries in the transmitters – instead they tested them and sent me a note saying they still have a lot of juice in them. So I didn’t pay for that – just one battery. Nice.

Anonymous

Has anyone used the 2.4 wireless version? I’ve heard from some to stay with the wired because wireless fades under powerlines and other moments. Is this true? Any recomendations?

Anonymous

I have to take my car to the dealer to have it filled with gas. Just like my Polar. Technology is cool! I also send my chain to Japan to have it lubed.

Anonymous

Why would you do that? Race power data is the best data there is. And don’t tell me about saving weight. Take a big dump before you ride it’s will make more of a difference than a few hundred grams of a power meter.

Anonymous

To 8:49 – Sorry for only getting back to you now. Unfortunately I have not used the 2.4 wireless version, so I can’t help you. If the rest of you guys can now just also reply. How long do you want this poor guy to wait for your answers?

Anonymous

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called “diversity” actually perpetuate racism.

Anonymous

Dropouts on the Powertap, no dropouts on Polar (except for that loose cable thing), and I won’t have another child.

Andy

Dropouts on the Powertap, no dropouts on Polar (except for that loose cable thing), and I won’t have another child.

Thanks, Ron Paul!

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called “diversity” actually perpetuate racism.

Anonymous

To 8:49 – Sorry for only getting back to you now. Unfortunately I have not used the 2.4 wireless version, so I can’t help you. If the rest of you guys can now just also reply. How long do you want this poor guy to wait for your answers?

Coach MNOP

Why would you do that? Race power data is the best data there is. And don’t tell me about saving weight. Take a big dump before you ride it’s will make more of a difference than a few hundred grams of a power meter.

Sucker

I have to take my car to the dealer to have it filled with gas. Just like my Polar. Technology is cool! I also send my chain to Japan to have it lubed.

Anonymous

Has anyone used the 2.4 wireless version? I’ve heard from some to stay with the wired because wireless fades under powerlines and other moments. Is this true? Any recomendations?

digger

It’s annoying to have to send them back for service. That said, the service is good. I sent an HRM receiver and two transmitters back a few weeks ago for batter replacement and they didn’t replace the batteries in the transmitters – instead they tested them and sent me a note saying they still have a lot of juice in them. So I didn’t pay for that – just one battery. Nice.

lee

I for some reason thought that this new device could be worn on the wrist as well. I like the fact that its a dedicated bike element. I do, however, still feel that the cadence and speed sensors should also be battery swap friendly. I dont understand this design decision at all. If the user discovers some problems with these devices, there’s no way one could quickly pop in a fresh battery to flesh out for damage.

…and I’ll quote the coen bros. Fargo on this –
“I think ya better check yer polic’n work there deputy!”

Jim Mason

I expected my newly posted comment to show up here at the bottom. When it didn’t, I tried it again. And again. And again. A thousand apologies. If I could delete the dups, I would, but that doesn’t seem to be available to me. If a moderator or whoever can delete the dups, please feel free. Sorry!

Jim Mason

I purchased an iBike from Performance Cycles and it is cool! I went on a long ride with friend and compared readings to his PowerTap; mine were consistently 20-30 watts more which makes sense because he weighs less than I do. The iBike is light, unobtrusive, relatively inexpensive, and can help with aero testing as well. I’m really happy with it. I should also mention that Dave is pretty unhappy with his PowerTap because it has gone on the fritz 3 times in 2 years and had to go back to the company for repairs. He really likes his SRM, but it won’t fit in his new Specialized bike due to thread issues.

iBike setup is done in minutes, has given me very consistent results, seems quite accurate when compared to a PowerTap, and I got it for $300 (on sale for $379 at Performance, 20% off promo going, 10% member discount). I’m VERY happy with my iBike!

Andy

Lee, I think you’re talking about watches. This computer head has the typical battery cover that you unscrew with a coin. The HR strap now has one of those covers as well, which is great. The speed sensor will have to be replaced when it dies, but Polar says it’ll last 6 years if you ride ten hours a week (3000 hour life).

lee

Good write up Andy. One of my issues with Polar is the having to pay them to change the battery on the speed/cadence sensors. I hear the watch can be done by the user but voids the polar warranty. There’s something really wrong about that.

Anonymous

and crappy cycling computers. I’ve had enough problems with past Polar cycling computers to never again bother with them especially a contraption like this.

Baldy

The park dept allows limited access in the winter. The roads can get a little “Hairy” in the winter. Reopen in the spring.

Anonymous

apparently have better things to do than sit at traffic circles all day so a couple hundred people can race their bikes. Bummer.

Anonymous

I was on the Palisades Parksway recently and exit 16 was closed? Is the race in danger? Have drug scandals in cycling delayed road work? Enquiring minds want to know.

Anonymous

i agree – very good article. I have the CS600 w/ power and can concur on many of the points in the review.

i’m disappointed with the documentation and it seems like the product was rushed out the door without fully understanding some of the problems customers might face. for a product over $700, that seriously sucks.

i thought it good for training and baseline testing, but the frequent data drops were frustrating. I used it once at a FBF race and had almost no useable data. not sure if was the wind or the bumpy road or what.

the heart rate monitor aspect of it is really good though. I get almost no dropoffs for that and the newly designed heartrate strap feels nice and secure.

284

Remember Watts are only a reflection of what we are doing on the bike, the problem is that many people don’t do any work?

Thanks,

mikem

ugly indeed. the pedalstroke data is interesting, though. thanks for the write-up, andy.

by the way, it looks like you have room on your bars for at least another mount or two… must be a way to get the iPhone on there, so you can watch video and write emails without taking hands off. Looks like you have a little room next to the OnStar, just to the left of the ATM.

Aaron

You can ebay a powertap pro for under $600. Seems like a better plan even with powertap’s weaknesses. The programmable head unit sounds helpful.

Marcus "Max" Carvalho

article, below is a very indepth analysis of the polar/powertap/srm powermeters its well written, with alot of data for number crunchers like me.

srm – too damn expensive (cat1 and pro tool in my opinion)

I went with the powertap instead of the polar. It seemed as though there were just to many variables involved to have the polar system perform correctly consistently and I could do without the frustration. Chain tension, position of the sensor, Chain distance as you switch gears can all affect readings…

Also there is a new power meter to debut in Q1 of 08 it the Quarq power meter and there is the ibike that actually should not even be considered.

Here is the link for the review
http://www.biketechreview.com/archive/pm_review.htm

Andy

For the compliments. The Polar USA guy did use the word stochastic, but I don’t understand the word well enough to use it myself.

Anonymous

nice report. i hear from others too that it works well once set up properly. i just can’t get around the visual clutter

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