Levi = no such thing as a “clean bottle”
Lim = I thought it was all about the ice vests
Kristin = really? really Kristin? To think I used to read your blogs on LA’s web page
Pepe & Duffy = ???
In an email seen earlier this year by VeloNation, Landis implicated a total of 23 people as being either involved with doping, facilitating/helping cover up its use, or witnessing banned practices or the exchange of doping products. These are:
Team manager Johan Bruyneel
Team co-owner and leader Lance Armstrong
Current and former pro riders George Hincapie, Dave Zabriskie, Levi Leiphemier, Matt White, Michael Barry, Jose Luis (Chechu) Rubiera
The other riders on the 2004 Tour de France team, namely Jose Azevedo, Viatcheslav Ekimov, Benjamin Noval, Manuel Beltran and Pavel Padrnos
Former UCI president Hein Verbruggen
Former Phonak personnel Andy Riis, John Lelangue and Jim Ochowitz
Dr Michele Ferrari
Dr Allen Lim
US Postal service staff members referred to as ‘Pepe,’ ‘Duffy,’ plus an un-named bus driver
Armstrong’s ex-wife Kristin
bite your tongue, brospehine. not a chance in hell. GH knows what the word “loyal” means. he isn’t a scumbag bottom-feeding opportunist like landis. will he lie to federal prosecutors? no, but he’s not going to go the extra mile and shoot his mouth off to the NYT
CD
It’s Triki (to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that’s right on time)
brain surgeon
yeah, george has been called to the grand jury, hasn’t he? i assumed this wasn’t GH because whoever it is says he hasn’t been called (yet).
funny how quick the gerolsteiner guy was to throw levi under the bus. that team doesn’t exactly have a great rep, with kohl, hondo, schumacher, rebellin… maybe this guy is just trying to drum up publicity for his book, but you can’t help feeling like levi isn’t the most popular guy in the world.
bread & circuses
total US debt: $13,308,000,000,000
your share: $42,900
total US deficit: $1,600,000,000,000
your share: $5,100
value of federal prosecutors spending their time and your money to investigate a celebrity cyclist using his own blood and pharmaceuticals (like all 10 of his nearest competitors) to win bike races in france (which effectively no one in the US cares about) while dressed in skintight underwear: priceless
if you need to lie down with dogs and violate civil liberties to catch what has to be a marginal crime at best, i’m out. have no illusions about how some cyclists win races but this is not-even-borderline retarded.
schmalz
What if we sold wristbands to fund the investigation?
Non-random Samples
If a fraud has been committed, then so what?
If a fraud has been committed using taxpayer money, then people are interested.
If a fraud has been committed using taxpayer money and to amass a fortune for a registered not-for-profit, then Jeff Novitzky is interested.
If a fraud has been committed and people’s lives have been destroyed over it, then you should be interested.
Jeff Novitzky
when we take the not-for-profit off the table, we have an athlete that has enriched himself to the tune of over $100 million thanks to doping. I don’t care if everybody else was doing it as that is an incidental excuse for illegal activity. Does anybody alive believe LA would have gotten 10% of his endorsements without the feel good cancer story? This makes what he has done a shameless act of narcissism and personal greed. His “handlers” can’t handle what is happening now. I think the Kristin Armstrong testimony will be the most damning. Seems like yesterday she was on Oprah with her boo-hoo story of losing her “identity” being married to such a world renowned celebrity-athlete.
brain surgeon
civil liberties violated? whose?
fraud destroying people’s lives? whose?
there’s evidence of a crime, and someone’s investigating. we watch because it’s a celebrity. that’s what happens.
Tweedle Dee
The grand architecture created by Wiesel, Ochowitcz, LA and endorsed by Johnson, et al is about to be found out to be the enabler of the fraud.
bread & circuses
Great idea! Exactly. I’d much prefer wristband sales. Then only people who gave a 5hit would pay for it. Seems to be enough haters on high horses out there out to fund this 10x over!
N-R S, so you’ll soon be championing going after the massive fraud that’s been committed by every team that’s ever won the Super Bowl, right? Including each player with his own persaonal charity which helped raise funds through his ill-gotten fame based of using steroids? #56 ruined at least one quarterback’s career, and I doubt he only had Wheaties for breakfast, should we get Novitzky on that case too?
Or maybe sports are just entertainment, the right to put whatever you want in your own body is a G*d-given right, it is no one’s f*cking business but your own, and these guys are guilty of nothing more than a *rule violation* of a sport but not a crime?
Or should we start preosecuting yellow rule line violations, too? I think that’s probably a traffic infraction. Can we get Novitzky on that?
West Coast Reader
My $48K can be paid off by a fine to anyone found guilty. I’m for it!
is or is not important, but Armstrong was cocky, arrogant a-hole and it came back to bite him in the ass. deservedly so. You don’t see anyone chasing Indurain, or even Basso around. Go arrogLance!
b&c
hey, you ain’t gonna catch me arguing whether pride goeth before destruction or a haughty spirit before a fall …
Wout Lube
bread & circuses: Please take your medication (and take Lance’s dick out of your mouth when you type).
b&c
so i can presumably jam it into your mother’s a55?
that the best you got lube?
if you could read, you’d realize there is no indication that i’m a fan of a certain celebrity cyclist. the only thing im not a fan of is idiotic insults (unless they’re funny, of course) & knee-jerk, predictible groupthink reactions to any contrarian view.
Verrochio Rim
I read that LA has enlisted Levi and the Trek MT Bike team to help him beat a lone 46 rear old local out at The Leadville race.
Alexis Clearcoat
Dave Wiens is no ordinary ‘lone 46 rear old local’
schmalz
Bringing a bottle to a knife fight?
Suck my wheel
Hey b&c. just curious what religion you got this from “the right to put whatever you want in your own body is a G*d-given right”
b&c
my own. you want in?
pina80
LA will soon stand for “Lying A–hole”
this whole LA thing just sucks and is unfortunate. im not a fan of PEDs . i got a feeling the whole LA world is gona come crashing down ..just sucks. i prob wont buy another live strong tee shirt or support LA. he got away with it for so long because he had the best lawyers and the best people to do dirty work for him and johan.
has anyone ever read lance armstrongs war by Daniel COyle? if not i would suggest you go buy it talks alot about what has gone on in the past especially the 2003 – 2005 tour with LA and all of the bs he has ecountered: doping accusation, Dr Michele Ferrari, Landis, Hamliton, and david walsh amongst others LA has called “trolls”. the book tells you pretty much what LA is as a person on and off the bike.
(after i read it the second time i got this feeling that he has doped and got away with it for so long bc of the amount of $$$ he has paying people off)
i highly recommend everyone reading it and when you are done with it you will see how the Floyd-Gate thing of the last few months connects back to the book of 2003 to 2005.
samurai3 WindLessBreeze
Reading your threads I get there’s a lot of unhappy folks suddenly happy just because some loser ratted’ on Lance.
Going around France at an avg speed of 40 mph, doing 2,3,4 mountain passes cat 1 and beyond per day in the freaking summer heat, isn’t the same as doing 8 laps around CP or 14 laps around PP. You just don’t do that by drinking gatorade and eating a big bowl of pasta. Grow up
Francesco Flange
In my opinion “B&C” has outed himself as one of those “investment banker/ Hedge fund” guys who lost his soul a long time ago and accepts the inevitability of cheating and graft in all fabrics of society including sport.
It’s a free country.
I’m one of those romantics that believe that good should win over evil and winning isn’t the only thing if it means you disrespected the sport and your own morals to achieve it.
And ” B&C” if you really do think that way, join me in applauding the course that Jeff Novitsky and the U.S government is taking so as to keep the goal of fairness alive in sport.
b&c
You’re just trolling me, right? Otherwise please re-read what I wrote and try to understand it better.
Also, I’d re-consider classifying an entire group of people based on one particular characteristic (occupation, gender, race, sexual orientation, etc.) Besides being flat-out ignorant, it’s just a 5hitty way to go through life.
Thomas Dropout
That’s not a denial B&C
Dude
You sound kinda guilty, is that an admission?
Jelle Fork
Doping is not a crime in the US.
Fraud is. Lying under oath is.
There are a lot of things that are morally abhorant that are not illegal. Things like B&C’s attitude for instance.
BK
Holy shit I don’t care.
brain surgeon
it’s spelled “5hit”
Seppe Crank
I bought Floyd’s book, and what about the contributors to the fairness fund. He says he wants to clean his conscience, I say he can start by returning all of the money earned through deception. He is the lowest form of scum for starting all this up and pinning it on his cleansing. I know everyone doped, I don’t care (although I think it wrong) and I don’t want my tax dollars going to investigate it. Floyd should go crawl under a rock and die. I thought I disliked Lance a lot, until Floyd brought all this up. Now I am routing for Lance to win (which I hate to do). Fuc% Floyd
Dieter Drake
have no clue.
Seppe Crank
what I am clueless about. I am not clueless as to doping practices and know multiple people on the inside of the professional peleton. I do not condon these activities and wish we could eliminate them and compete on a level (clean)field. I am also not clueless about Floyd. If he had a conscience, he would not have doped nor written a book to continue his lies and profit from it, nor a world tour to beg money from star struck cyclists who would donate to him clearing his name. Floyd has no conscience, and is now (that the money and spotlight have gone) trying to bring others down to his level. It is the last act of a very desperate, broken man. As I said, if his conscience is bothering him, how about returing the fairness funds and book revenue. As wrong as the doping was/is, nobody likes a tattle tale (sp). Please let me know where my ignorance lies and I will try to clear it up a bit.
Dieter Drake
Suggesting that anther human being “crawl under a rock and die” and similar comments is not terribly constructive and makes me wonder about the human race.
No one is innocent here.
Dieter
Schbalz
if you knew they all doped, presumably you knew landis doped. you then bought his book and contributed to the fairness fund. rather than calling for getting you money back, you should keep your mouth shut because you’re coming off like a real idiot.
Due Diligence
I agree, I don’t want my tax dollars going to this witch hunt. It’s a waste. I much prefer my tax dollars go to Iraq.
Seppe Crank
Floyd personally, nor his doping practices. I do know some (2) of his teammates during that time period. “No one is innocent here,” – I am innocent here. I may come off like an asshole with my comments, but I am not ignorant. I did not contribute to the fairness fund, but stand behind my comment that if he wants to cleanse his soul, he can start by returning the money gained through false pretenses rather than just trying to hurt others (which is all that can happen with this investigation, it is the past) or attempt to gain more money (which could also be a motive of his hence the blackmail emails and phone calls). If you are ignorant enough to believe he is doing this for the betterment of the sport or others, than you have to come out from under your rock. If he wants to help others, return the money. And my “crawl under a rock and die” comment might have been a slightly exagerated comment on my thoughts about Floyd. I am sorry I didn’t put in the disclaimer that I don’t actually want another human being to die. I would like him to crawl under the rock.
Amine Chainsuck
I believe that for the sake of fairness in sport all athletes should live in concentration camps for the full tenure of their career in order to insure a level playing field. In addition, exhaustive genetic analysis must be done on all their family members to make sure they have not altered their physiology by any unnatural means. Sport is just too important, and it would be a moral travesty to do otherwise.
Dylan Internal Routing
versus ran footage of the TDF ’04 when having problems broadcast the ‘daily line’. lance following landis’ wheel in small group with ullrich, leading by one minute over virenque. Hmm, everyone was caught doping but Lance.
ant1
it’s omerta. if you get caught, you keep your mouth shut, don’t rat anyone out, do your time, and then we’ll welcome you back. landis kept his mouth shut, but they wouldn’t let him back in. payback’s a bitch. it has nothing to do with him clearing his conscience, or being a low life scumbag who’s jealous, or bringing others down to his level. they didn’t follow omerta, so he stopped doing so too. they’re all the same. there’s no angels and no devils in the game, just a bunch of dudes playing by their own rules. you break ’em, you pay.
West Coast Reader
One vote for Witch Hunt! Let here it for the Witches!
pina80
im with ant1 on that one !
Francesco Dry Lube
this all reminds me a great philospher…the “insurance reptile”…except its the office boy talking to the CEO “presumably”…
“so you’re sticking it to the man…
yeah!…
so… you’re sticking it to yourself…
YEAH!”
(pardon any inaccuracies)
we are all sticking it to each other!!!
one big sticking it to each other circle jerk!!!
Lance played the “system” the best, by far…
Just like there is no real truth to Santa or Bunny or Fairy Tales,
“I feel sorry for those who don’t BELIEVE in MIRACLES”…
from the Podium in 2005, in retirement, with Basso and Ullrich by his side…somebody, MEATLOAF, run that video!!!
you wonder if during their bro-hug if lance asked, ‘hey man, you got any extra syringes?’
lee3
Thats exactly whats going on here. I’ll add this as well: Landis embarrassed the Tour so much that any team that picks him up punches their ticket out of going to the show or any other race on the ProTour calender. I think he really wants to hurt the H.Verbrugge because he’s so in lances a55 that he cant see straight. When he tried to get into ToC with a legit team (Bahati), he got the snub – otherwise Bahati would have been in. He kept quiet and now he’s singin like bird.
I bet a lot of teams wanted to snatch him up after his ban. Unfortunately the UCI basically blacklisted him because of his tour exploits + the money he took from the public. Can ya blame them. That fairness fund thing stepped waaaayyy over the line of serving your sentence and then get on with things. Floyd should just go away.
Seppe Crank
The difference between Floyd and the others you mentioned is they didn’t keep their mouth shut. They admitted to some small infraction (Basso:thought about doping and donated his blood, Millar: I tried it but I didn’t inhale and it was only the one time when I was caught). None of them implicated others, they served their time and were welcomed back. Floyd never admitted anything, wasn’t welcomed back and then admitted all the sins of others. That is the difference.
Cosimo Compliant
never got back to the pro-ranks.
Patrick Sinkwitz
Bernard Kohl
Pat admitted to doping AND implicated team members.
Berny – same sh*t.
Jeremiah Bishop might win this year. Bottle will get crushed by locals with harry legs. LA has his work cut out for him. He will need Kobelski big time
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Levi = no such thing as a “clean bottle”
Lim = I thought it was all about the ice vests
Kristin = really? really Kristin? To think I used to read your blogs on LA’s web page
Pepe & Duffy = ???
In an email seen earlier this year by VeloNation, Landis implicated a total of 23 people as being either involved with doping, facilitating/helping cover up its use, or witnessing banned practices or the exchange of doping products. These are:
Team manager Johan Bruyneel
Team co-owner and leader Lance Armstrong
Current and former pro riders George Hincapie, Dave Zabriskie, Levi Leiphemier, Matt White, Michael Barry, Jose Luis (Chechu) Rubiera
The other riders on the 2004 Tour de France team, namely Jose Azevedo, Viatcheslav Ekimov, Benjamin Noval, Manuel Beltran and Pavel Padrnos
Former UCI president Hein Verbruggen
Former Phonak personnel Andy Riis, John Lelangue and Jim Ochowitz
Dr Michele Ferrari
Dr Allen Lim
US Postal service staff members referred to as ‘Pepe,’ ‘Duffy,’ plus an un-named bus driver
Armstrong’s ex-wife Kristin
Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5137/Landis-investigation-riders-back-claims-that-Armstrong-was-involved-in-doping.aspx#ixzz0vjVGDt9P
“unidentified rider”. sounds like hincapie to me
bite your tongue, brospehine. not a chance in hell. GH knows what the word “loyal” means. he isn’t a scumbag bottom-feeding opportunist like landis. will he lie to federal prosecutors? no, but he’s not going to go the extra mile and shoot his mouth off to the NYT
It’s Triki (to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that’s right on time)
yeah, george has been called to the grand jury, hasn’t he? i assumed this wasn’t GH because whoever it is says he hasn’t been called (yet).
funny how quick the gerolsteiner guy was to throw levi under the bus. that team doesn’t exactly have a great rep, with kohl, hondo, schumacher, rebellin… maybe this guy is just trying to drum up publicity for his book, but you can’t help feeling like levi isn’t the most popular guy in the world.
total US debt: $13,308,000,000,000
your share: $42,900
total US deficit: $1,600,000,000,000
your share: $5,100
value of federal prosecutors spending their time and your money to investigate a celebrity cyclist using his own blood and pharmaceuticals (like all 10 of his nearest competitors) to win bike races in france (which effectively no one in the US cares about) while dressed in skintight underwear: priceless
if you need to lie down with dogs and violate civil liberties to catch what has to be a marginal crime at best, i’m out. have no illusions about how some cyclists win races but this is not-even-borderline retarded.
What if we sold wristbands to fund the investigation?
If a fraud has been committed, then so what?
If a fraud has been committed using taxpayer money, then people are interested.
If a fraud has been committed using taxpayer money and to amass a fortune for a registered not-for-profit, then Jeff Novitzky is interested.
If a fraud has been committed and people’s lives have been destroyed over it, then you should be interested.
when we take the not-for-profit off the table, we have an athlete that has enriched himself to the tune of over $100 million thanks to doping. I don’t care if everybody else was doing it as that is an incidental excuse for illegal activity. Does anybody alive believe LA would have gotten 10% of his endorsements without the feel good cancer story? This makes what he has done a shameless act of narcissism and personal greed. His “handlers” can’t handle what is happening now. I think the Kristin Armstrong testimony will be the most damning. Seems like yesterday she was on Oprah with her boo-hoo story of losing her “identity” being married to such a world renowned celebrity-athlete.
civil liberties violated? whose?
fraud destroying people’s lives? whose?
there’s evidence of a crime, and someone’s investigating. we watch because it’s a celebrity. that’s what happens.
The grand architecture created by Wiesel, Ochowitcz, LA and endorsed by Johnson, et al is about to be found out to be the enabler of the fraud.
Great idea! Exactly. I’d much prefer wristband sales. Then only people who gave a 5hit would pay for it. Seems to be enough haters on high horses out there out to fund this 10x over!
N-R S, so you’ll soon be championing going after the massive fraud that’s been committed by every team that’s ever won the Super Bowl, right? Including each player with his own persaonal charity which helped raise funds through his ill-gotten fame based of using steroids? #56 ruined at least one quarterback’s career, and I doubt he only had Wheaties for breakfast, should we get Novitzky on that case too?
Or maybe sports are just entertainment, the right to put whatever you want in your own body is a G*d-given right, it is no one’s f*cking business but your own, and these guys are guilty of nothing more than a *rule violation* of a sport but not a crime?
Or should we start preosecuting yellow rule line violations, too? I think that’s probably a traffic infraction. Can we get Novitzky on that?
My $48K can be paid off by a fine to anyone found guilty. I’m for it!
Moved to Off Topic
is or is not important, but Armstrong was cocky, arrogant a-hole and it came back to bite him in the ass. deservedly so. You don’t see anyone chasing Indurain, or even Basso around. Go arrogLance!
hey, you ain’t gonna catch me arguing whether pride goeth before destruction or a haughty spirit before a fall …
bread & circuses: Please take your medication (and take Lance’s dick out of your mouth when you type).
so i can presumably jam it into your mother’s a55?
that the best you got lube?
if you could read, you’d realize there is no indication that i’m a fan of a certain celebrity cyclist. the only thing im not a fan of is idiotic insults (unless they’re funny, of course) & knee-jerk, predictible groupthink reactions to any contrarian view.
I read that LA has enlisted Levi and the Trek MT Bike team to help him beat a lone 46 rear old local out at The Leadville race.
Dave Wiens is no ordinary ‘lone 46 rear old local’
Bringing a bottle to a knife fight?
Hey b&c. just curious what religion you got this from “the right to put whatever you want in your own body is a G*d-given right”
my own. you want in?
LA will soon stand for “Lying A–hole”
this whole LA thing just sucks and is unfortunate. im not a fan of PEDs . i got a feeling the whole LA world is gona come crashing down ..just sucks. i prob wont buy another live strong tee shirt or support LA. he got away with it for so long because he had the best lawyers and the best people to do dirty work for him and johan.
has anyone ever read lance armstrongs war by Daniel COyle? if not i would suggest you go buy it talks alot about what has gone on in the past especially the 2003 – 2005 tour with LA and all of the bs he has ecountered: doping accusation, Dr Michele Ferrari, Landis, Hamliton, and david walsh amongst others LA has called “trolls”. the book tells you pretty much what LA is as a person on and off the bike.
(after i read it the second time i got this feeling that he has doped and got away with it for so long bc of the amount of $$$ he has paying people off)
i highly recommend everyone reading it and when you are done with it you will see how the Floyd-Gate thing of the last few months connects back to the book of 2003 to 2005.
Reading your threads I get there’s a lot of unhappy folks suddenly happy just because some loser ratted’ on Lance.
Going around France at an avg speed of 40 mph, doing 2,3,4 mountain passes cat 1 and beyond per day in the freaking summer heat, isn’t the same as doing 8 laps around CP or 14 laps around PP. You just don’t do that by drinking gatorade and eating a big bowl of pasta. Grow up
In my opinion “B&C” has outed himself as one of those “investment banker/ Hedge fund” guys who lost his soul a long time ago and accepts the inevitability of cheating and graft in all fabrics of society including sport.
It’s a free country.
I’m one of those romantics that believe that good should win over evil and winning isn’t the only thing if it means you disrespected the sport and your own morals to achieve it.
And ” B&C” if you really do think that way, join me in applauding the course that Jeff Novitsky and the U.S government is taking so as to keep the goal of fairness alive in sport.
You’re just trolling me, right? Otherwise please re-read what I wrote and try to understand it better.
Also, I’d re-consider classifying an entire group of people based on one particular characteristic (occupation, gender, race, sexual orientation, etc.) Besides being flat-out ignorant, it’s just a 5hitty way to go through life.
That’s not a denial B&C
You sound kinda guilty, is that an admission?
Doping is not a crime in the US.
Fraud is. Lying under oath is.
There are a lot of things that are morally abhorant that are not illegal. Things like B&C’s attitude for instance.
Holy shit I don’t care.
it’s spelled “5hit”
I bought Floyd’s book, and what about the contributors to the fairness fund. He says he wants to clean his conscience, I say he can start by returning all of the money earned through deception. He is the lowest form of scum for starting all this up and pinning it on his cleansing. I know everyone doped, I don’t care (although I think it wrong) and I don’t want my tax dollars going to investigate it. Floyd should go crawl under a rock and die. I thought I disliked Lance a lot, until Floyd brought all this up. Now I am routing for Lance to win (which I hate to do). Fuc% Floyd
have no clue.
what I am clueless about. I am not clueless as to doping practices and know multiple people on the inside of the professional peleton. I do not condon these activities and wish we could eliminate them and compete on a level (clean)field. I am also not clueless about Floyd. If he had a conscience, he would not have doped nor written a book to continue his lies and profit from it, nor a world tour to beg money from star struck cyclists who would donate to him clearing his name. Floyd has no conscience, and is now (that the money and spotlight have gone) trying to bring others down to his level. It is the last act of a very desperate, broken man. As I said, if his conscience is bothering him, how about returing the fairness funds and book revenue. As wrong as the doping was/is, nobody likes a tattle tale (sp). Please let me know where my ignorance lies and I will try to clear it up a bit.
Suggesting that anther human being “crawl under a rock and die” and similar comments is not terribly constructive and makes me wonder about the human race.
No one is innocent here.
Dieter
if you knew they all doped, presumably you knew landis doped. you then bought his book and contributed to the fairness fund. rather than calling for getting you money back, you should keep your mouth shut because you’re coming off like a real idiot.
I agree, I don’t want my tax dollars going to this witch hunt. It’s a waste. I much prefer my tax dollars go to Iraq.
Floyd personally, nor his doping practices. I do know some (2) of his teammates during that time period. “No one is innocent here,” – I am innocent here. I may come off like an asshole with my comments, but I am not ignorant. I did not contribute to the fairness fund, but stand behind my comment that if he wants to cleanse his soul, he can start by returning the money gained through false pretenses rather than just trying to hurt others (which is all that can happen with this investigation, it is the past) or attempt to gain more money (which could also be a motive of his hence the blackmail emails and phone calls). If you are ignorant enough to believe he is doing this for the betterment of the sport or others, than you have to come out from under your rock. If he wants to help others, return the money. And my “crawl under a rock and die” comment might have been a slightly exagerated comment on my thoughts about Floyd. I am sorry I didn’t put in the disclaimer that I don’t actually want another human being to die. I would like him to crawl under the rock.
I believe that for the sake of fairness in sport all athletes should live in concentration camps for the full tenure of their career in order to insure a level playing field. In addition, exhaustive genetic analysis must be done on all their family members to make sure they have not altered their physiology by any unnatural means. Sport is just too important, and it would be a moral travesty to do otherwise.
versus ran footage of the TDF ’04 when having problems broadcast the ‘daily line’. lance following landis’ wheel in small group with ullrich, leading by one minute over virenque. Hmm, everyone was caught doping but Lance.
it’s omerta. if you get caught, you keep your mouth shut, don’t rat anyone out, do your time, and then we’ll welcome you back. landis kept his mouth shut, but they wouldn’t let him back in. payback’s a bitch. it has nothing to do with him clearing his conscience, or being a low life scumbag who’s jealous, or bringing others down to his level. they didn’t follow omerta, so he stopped doing so too. they’re all the same. there’s no angels and no devils in the game, just a bunch of dudes playing by their own rules. you break ’em, you pay.
One vote for Witch Hunt! Let here it for the Witches!
im with ant1 on that one !
this all reminds me a great philospher…the “insurance reptile”…except its the office boy talking to the CEO “presumably”…
“so you’re sticking it to the man…
yeah!…
so… you’re sticking it to yourself…
YEAH!”
(pardon any inaccuracies)
we are all sticking it to each other!!!
one big sticking it to each other circle jerk!!!
Lance played the “system” the best, by far…
Just like there is no real truth to Santa or Bunny or Fairy Tales,
“I feel sorry for those who don’t BELIEVE in MIRACLES”…
from the Podium in 2005, in retirement, with Basso and Ullrich by his side…somebody, MEATLOAF, run that video!!!
http://www.bethschneider.com/2005_tdfweb/2005_tdf_21_247_armstrong_ullrich_hug_large.htm
you wonder if during their bro-hug if lance asked, ‘hey man, you got any extra syringes?’
Thats exactly whats going on here. I’ll add this as well: Landis embarrassed the Tour so much that any team that picks him up punches their ticket out of going to the show or any other race on the ProTour calender. I think he really wants to hurt the H.Verbrugge because he’s so in lances a55 that he cant see straight. When he tried to get into ToC with a legit team (Bahati), he got the snub – otherwise Bahati would have been in. He kept quiet and now he’s singin like bird.
I bet a lot of teams wanted to snatch him up after his ban. Unfortunately the UCI basically blacklisted him because of his tour exploits + the money he took from the public. Can ya blame them. That fairness fund thing stepped waaaayyy over the line of serving your sentence and then get on with things. Floyd should just go away.
The difference between Floyd and the others you mentioned is they didn’t keep their mouth shut. They admitted to some small infraction (Basso:thought about doping and donated his blood, Millar: I tried it but I didn’t inhale and it was only the one time when I was caught). None of them implicated others, they served their time and were welcomed back. Floyd never admitted anything, wasn’t welcomed back and then admitted all the sins of others. That is the difference.
never got back to the pro-ranks.
Patrick Sinkwitz
Bernard Kohl
Pat admitted to doping AND implicated team members.
Berny – same sh*t.
Where are they now? on the outside lookin in.
Other ‘never admits’:
Tyler Hamilton
Lance Just sucker punched Chechu!
http://estaticos01.marca.com/imagenes/2010/08/08/ciclismo/1281262391_extras_noticia_foton_7_0.jpg
http://singletrack.competitor.com/2010/08/news/armstrong-wiens-not-the-only-ones-to-watch-at-leadville-100_9545
Jeremiah Bishop might win this year. Bottle will get crushed by locals with harry legs. LA has his work cut out for him. He will need Kobelski big time