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The final Cadence Cup race in Brooklyn’s Prospect Park will take place this Saturday, August 8. Last week the Cat 1-2-3 and Cat 5 races both filled up and riders who showed up on race day to register were turned away. It’s not a good feeling to wake up so early only to be told you can’t race. PLEASE pre-register online to reserve your spot and be sure to tell your friends and teammates as well. The races this Saturday will most likely fill up as well.
To pre-register online go to:
http://www.bikereg.com/events/register.asp?eventid=8287
Charlie Issendorf
Race Director
Kissena Cycling Club
The Tour of Governors Island will take place this Sunday, August 9, on NYC’s Governors Island. It’s a Cat 3-4 only race and the field limit is 80 riders. As of now there are only 14 spots left in the race. This race is PRE-REG ONLY. There is no race-day registration.
To pre-register online go to:
http://www.bikereg.com/events/register.asp?eventid=8860
Charlie Issendorf
Race Director
Kissena Cycling Club
Why don’t Kissenas ever race crca, can you not belong to both?
no kissenas allowed, sorry.
but why?
TransAlt poster, contact us. Your post needs editing.
you can’t be CRCA and on another team/club – it’s that simple.
(except in limited circumatances; on a composite team for national caliber races, other ad hoc situations as approved by the board, etc.)
also i remember a senator once asked me, when we talk about “CRCA” why we never use the word “the” in front of it.
and i asked him, do you put the word “the” in front of “G-d”?
i see random guys in club races wearing CRCA jerseys over other non-CRCA team bibs. seriously, no one would stop you if you wanted to do club races. you’d just have to marshall and do everything else CRCA members do.
i see folks in the joggers’ lane.
i see folks running red lights.
i see folks smoking weed.
i see dead people.
im not concerned how many of your compatriots’ waldrobe malfunctions you’re perusing, fella, but just cause you see something doesnt mean
a) you know what you’re seeing, or
b) if you see something against CRCA rules its actually not against CRCA rules
you dont see kissena riders in CRCA since if you’re on another club/team you cannot be a racing CRCAssociate
8:21, be warned! For a sub-team in particular, following the advice of 9:26 – or should I say the CRCA of A shill – would be an excellent way to get yourself and the sub-team disqualified. Of course, that was 9:26’s true intent, wasn’t it, eh?
Once again, seeking advice regarding CRCA on NYVeloCity is to be strongly discouraged. There is a strong, albeit amiable, rivalry between CRCA and the CRC of A. The CRC of A preys on unsuspecting newcomers by using this very board to post scurrilous disinformation. It’s part of the spirited hijinx between CRCA and the CRC of A which over the years has added to the glorious mosaic that is NYC cycling.
Any true CRCAssociate on a sub-team could, clearly, recite sub-team rules 1.b) and 8. by heart. Specifically:
“8. Multiple team affiliation:
Team members may not be affiliated with more than one team within the CRCA or with any team outside the CRCA without the express written consent of their title sponsors and the CRCA Board of Directors. However, at major open races, members are encouraged to form ad-hoc teams and work together, and for this purpose members of different sub-teams may all wear one jersey upon the approval of the CRCA Board of Directors.”
Kind regards,
I once got yelled at for wearing a blank winter jersey in a CRCA race. The guy that yelled at me was chubby. It was cold and I wanted to be warm. I’ve hated fat people ever since.
Had the cold addled your brain? Chastise your portly compatriot to remember well his CRCA rules!
(You, of course, had an acceptable CRCA jersey on underneath, correct?)
massive twitter outage…..world on brink of ruin
there is a guy in the A race who wears what looks like a NEBC/Cycleloft bib underneath his jersey. let’s hang him.
friggin’ twitter sounds so 2001. i wish it was public so i could short it.
crca can ride in kissena sponsored races, what gives?
Are you daft, Sir?
CRCA races are CLOSED, they’re for CRCA members only.
They are Club events.
Kissena sponsored races are USAC events, OPEN to all and any USAC members. Of course, if you are not a USAC member, you can buy a one day license.
CRCA choose this, I’m sure there is good reason.
But basically, those CRCA races in CP are not real races. Strictly following the rules, if Chris Horner (or Armstrong for that matter) wanted to race Central Park, they would not be allowed.
oh, one more…, CRCA races will not count towards an upgrade, as they are simply club events.
oh if you hold an international license (say Vouckler), you would also be allowed in an USAC event.
But not on a CRCA event.
NYVelocity is probably not the place to discuss this.
CRCA sponsors both open and club races. All are encouraged to join the open races, while the club races are only for Associates only.
I was under the impression that Kissena – in addition to the numerous open races they sponsor, kudos – also has members-only club races.
all very helpful, answers my question. Don’t really understand why people say we shouldn’t be discussing it here, but whatever.
it is a legitimate question rather than a whiny ass bitchfest trollathon
I’m a member of NY Sports Club, but I’m still fat, and that means I’ll never be able to get into the Reebok Sports Club.
in thinking about it, don’t see why your participation in one club should exclude from another. as long as you pay dues and marshal, why should it matter that you race for kissena in other races
If you only do CRCA club races as a CRCA member, and do the marshaling etc., I can’t see why you couldn’t ride all other USA cycling races for another team. You fulfill your club duties for CRCA but ride in open races for another. Seems like win-win particularly if you have a long standing relationship with a non-CRCA team but live in NYC and want to race in CP often.
because you should be repping for CRCA! get off the fence!
It is a CRCA requirement that your racing license states CRCA. This highly discourages riders from other teams/clubs.
Yes, CRCA does hold some open races, and they are great races, very well run races.
The vast majority of CRCA races are CRCA only.
There are no Kissena only events, they used to, but turn out was low — Kissena is about 10% the size of CRCA.
All Kissena events are OPEN.
CRCA has relaxed — a little bit — some of these requirements for women, if you pay attention, you will notice a Kissena jersey on some CRCA only races.
This is good.
Messrs 12:34 and 12:40, feel free to create your own club, with its own board of directors, by-laws, and decades-long history suited to your own particular whims at your leisure.
Simultaneously, you may also feel free to philosophically debate the merits and demerits of exclusivity among various fraternal associations, organizations, clubs, partnerships, societies, bodies, alliances, leagues, unions, federations, confederations, assemblages and their ilk, should you find a willing debate partner interested in engaging such a dynamic and thoroughly fascinating topic.
It is completely irrelevant to our rules and traditions, however.
“Simultaneously, you may also feel free to philosophically debate the merits and demerits of exclusivity among various fraternal associations, organizations, clubs, partnerships, societies, bodies, alliances, leagues, unions, federations, confederations, assemblages and their ilk, should you find a willing debate partner interested in engaging such a dynamic and thoroughly fascinating topic.”
Thanks, dick, that’s what we’re doing. Man, you really represent the club well. dick.
you’re a dick.
Next on Bravo: ACLU Eye of the Non-CRCA Guy!
DISCLAIMER: Please take note that “CRCAssociate” is an ironic caricature. An internet personality. A joke. You idot.
and if the result of that discussion is that the crca rules are odd, off-the-wall, self-defeating, self-inflating, quixotic, or otherwise, that finding would indeed be relevant to the rules and traditions of crca. It would not, however, be expected to have much effect on such rules and traditions.
As a non-crca racer, I’m happy that there are still clubs outside the crca monopoly on racing. It would be sad to see NY disconnect from the regional scene if all the action took place within its exclusive purview. But frankly, there is enough racing in the area to fill a season even without the crca club events.
if you can’t beat em, join em. personally, i don’t see why so many people are hesitant about joining CRCA. is marshalling 2x a year really that much of a deterrent? big fricken deal.
cool article.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=a8u7SnrtCsnM
To the contrary. My literal and figurative meanings are in consonance, and while I did have a caricature done in Central Park once (having gotten dropped on Harlem Hill the first lap during a race) I can assure you that I am no cartoon.
Furthermore, I refuse to respond to puerile name-calling and excoriation, and am somewhat hurt. I strive to elucidate; apparently no good deed goes unpunished.
There was nothing incendiary in what I wrote. Simply because one would like something to be a certain way does not make it so. Any opinion regarding our traditions is impotent.
hahaha… impotent traditions! I like lamp.
“I refuse to respond to puerile name-calling and excoriation, and am somewhat hurt. I strive to elucidate; apparently no good deed goes unpunished.”
serious LOLs
i have no idea what that post said, forreals. dammit i need to go back to school and learn me some english.
Anyone who accepts the responsibility of marshaling can join CRCA and do the CRCA park races and race for another team in open races. It’s a simple process. If you don’t want to marshal, you can’t do CRCA club races. The marshaling requirement is necessary to make the races possible and also makes Bear Mtn and several other open races possible.
“Anyone who accepts the responsibility of marshaling can join CRCA and do the CRCA park races and race for another team in open races.”
This is not true. CRCA requires that CRCA appears as your racing club in your license. This makes racing for others possbile, but complicated.
Look at the posts below.
And still, you said it, in order to do CRCA park races, one MUST join CRCA.
In order to race a normal open USAC race (like Kissena’s) all you have to do is show up.
A lot of misinformation and besides Judy Miller was right in not giving people upgrades just based on Prospect Park races. The park races, Prospect or Central are training races for the more challenging races on more selective and longer courses against regional competition. Being the King of Prospect or Central Parks really does not mean that much.
8:04 is right. If you do not want to take responsibility to help racing continue in Central Park, CRCA wants no part of you. With that attitude we’d even prefer you not show up for any of our open races.
I want to win in PP so much.
“8:04 is right. If you do not want to take responsibility to help racing continue in Central Park, CRCA wants no part of you. With that attitude we’d even prefer you not show up for any of our open races.”
What a nonsense attitude. It’s all well and dandy that CRCA runs races for people who live in Manhattan and can’t get off the island. But they’ve gotta realize that they are not synonymous with the local racing scene. It’s rather silly to restrict most of their races to club members only. Some, sure why not, but if the point is continuing the tradition of racing in Central Park, just require members to marshal and make them open races.
The second part of that post is dumber than the first. Lots of New Yorkers (racers) don’t live in Manhattan, and don’t rely on Central Park races. It’s really great that they happen, but it’s great that there are other races all around the area. Good for CRCA for contributing to the scene. Bad for CRCA for thinking it should only share a few of the races with the rest of the scene.
take a funny thread and kill it, you torturous asstrolls.
crca races are safest/most enjoyable in nyc – open PP races not nearly as safe. crca marshalling and club format of racing makes that possible – better shared accountability & responsibility. open racing would defeat that. furthermore you can race in CP w/o crca – AVD’s series.
entitled whiny b’tches need not apply – racing in CP is not a f-cking right, and no one has an implied obligation to sacrifice themselves so you can race there, jackass.
shut up and read about evie, losers:
Cycling’s One-in-a-Million Story
Overworked Wall Streeter Buys a Bike to Stay Fit, Discovers an Elite Talent
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204908604574334741597350028.html
“Anyone who accepts the responsibility of marshaling can join CRCA and do the CRCA park races and race for another team in open races. It’s a simple process.”
No, as a member of Kissena i have to race in that jersey, if i race in crca races, i have to wear that jersey