Hour Power, Obree, and the Egg

Have you ever wondered how aero Graeme Obree was? Was he as great an athlete as Merckx, Moser, and Boardman, or did he slip into elite company with the use of his innovative positions? Thanks to Aidan Charles and his CCNS wind tunnel, we can try to get a sense of these athletes’ relative strengths. Here’s a look at the hour record from Merckx to Obree.

I rigged up an old frame with some steerer tube extensions to approximate Obree’s position, using photos to get my body positioning as close as possible. We took measurements at 0 degree yaw to simulate indoor track conditions. Just for fun we also tried to simulate the superman. This was much harder, since you can’t buy a long enough stem to replicate the hand position, so I made do by resting my wrists on the tips of the aerobars. We finished things off by taking a baseline reading with a legal aero position. (We screwed up by not taking a measurement with bullhorns.)

 

Position

CDA

Egg

.214

Superman (hands high)

.249

Superman (hands medium)

.254

Superman (hands low)

.240

Legal

.265

 

While I couldn’t get the superman to be as aero as the egg, Craig Upton tells me he was able to while playing around with some clients in the wind tunnel. He thinks taller riders do better with the superman than the egg. Check below for shots from our visit with Aidan. On to the geek:

 

Merckx ’72 49.431k
It’s said that Merckx produced 366 watts for his hour record, set in Mexico City at an altitude of 2250 meters. He rode a standard frame with drops and low profile spoked wheels. If we assume 20 watts for rolling resistance, that makes his CdA .2906 (Nathan O’Neill was .3019 with a road bike and low profile wheels). If we assume 30 watts for rolling resistance, then his CdA drops to .2822. Since the .2906 number seems more realistic, I’m going to assume a 20 watt loss for rolling resistance from here on. His equivalent sea level power was 429 watts.

 

Moser ’84 51.151k
Moser also set his record in Mexico City, riding bullhorn bars and double disk wheels. Here’s his wattages for a range of CdA’s, with rolling resistance added, and the equivalents at sea level. I’m assuming Moser was at least as aero as Merckx, given his double disks.

 

CDA

Aero Power

Total Power

Sea Level Power

.27

355

375

440

.28

368

388

454

.29

381

401

470

 

Obree’93 51.596k
Obree set his record using his ‘egg’ or ‘praying mantis’ position with Hed 3’s at sea level. Unlike Merckx and Moser, he had a TT helmet. It’s quite possible his CdA was lower than mine, since his helmet was a tight fitting fairing without padding, he had a very narrow Q factor, and his bike had a single tube instead of a front triangle.

 

CDA

Aero Power

Total Power

.19

342

362

.20

360

380

.21

385

405

.22

396

416

 

Boardman ’93 52.27k
Boardman broke Obree’s record within a week at Bourdeaux, also at sea level. He rode a typical TT position with a TT helmet and Corima 4 spoke wheels. Let’s assume he was faster than my baseline reading, since he had a better helmet, a beautiful position, and a more aero frame.

CDA

Aero Power

Total Power

.22

412

432

.23

430

450

.24

448

468

.25

467

487

 

Moser ’94 51.84k
Moser took a shot at the record ten years after breaking the record, at the age of 42. He adopted Obree’s position and bested his own old mark, but not Boardman or Obree. This attempt also took place in Mexico City, and would be the Veteran’s Record.

 

CDA

Aero Power

Total Power

Sea Level Power

.19

260

280

328

.20

274

294

345

.21

288

308

361

.22

302

322

377

 

 

Obree ’94 52.713k
Obree took back the record at Bourdeaux, also using the egg.

CDA

Aero Power

Total Power

.19

365

385

.20

384

404

.21

403

423

.22

423

443

So…

While these numbers are pretty big guesses, it does appear that Obree likely put out 20-70 watts less than his peers. But this isn’t meant to diminish his accomplishments at all. In fact, quite the opposite. He was his own coach, wind tunnel, and bike builder, and he managed to best the greatest athletes in the world all by himself. For more, check out this excellent documentary on Obree.

11 Comments

Anonymous

I see you have four lines for each rider/record combination. Why 4 lines? Are they to show different wattages because the riders position might be slightly different which in turn would change their Cda? You might also want to mention that cda is coefficient of drag. I’m many folks won’t know that. I’m quite surprised you haven’t tried to duplicate the CCNS wind tunnel in your house yet. 🙂

Andy

There are four lines because I’m just guessing at their Cda’s, so there’s four guesses for their power outputs.

Anonymous

Great piece, and as you point out he was still a very gifted and skilled rider – many forget to mention his 2 World Champion Gold Medals (4000m Pursuit) in 1993 and 1995 on legal set ups

Nik

Andy

don’t know about ’95, but doesn’t that youtube documentary show him doing the pursuit in ’93 with the egg?

Anonymous

take an old Scott/Lemond U shaped bar, mount the elbow cups way out, in middle of parallel section, take some profile mounts or barends and fabricate a T end…et voila!
Losta weight on front wheel but you keep base bar position for climbing and then can let it rip 40+mph on the flat…
key is to roll your shoulders so aero helmet fills void between medial deltoid/upper trapezuis…arms should be extended in line with torso, parallel to ground…
I wonder how much faster Obree would have gone with double disks/shoe covers/long sleeve suit/proper “altitude” training?
Obree shattered the Pursuit records of the day, so much so the rest of the world adopted position, esp. Italians, 1996 Olympics.
Boardman put the record on the shelf with his 56.375km Hour Record.
and 4.11 4km pursuit…
92-96 great Hr Record days!!!
Both of Moser’s records have been admittedly blood doped. Even his cat4 towelboy flirted with the record prior to Moser’s “Veterans” effort…

Anonymous

Obree was killing Boardman in local and national time trials here for years before going international. He also won two world championships using a standard aero position. The guy is class.

Anonymous

1. Over 10 y ago, Grappe et al. published a scientific paper regarding the Obree “egg” position:

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=2062343

2. While frontal area photos can be helpful, they ignore the fact that Cd itself can also change. Indeed, this is almost the entire basis for any benefit resulting from the Superman position (since the arms are w/in the projected frontal area of the torso even in a standard aero position).

Anonymous

I wonder how Merckx would have gone on a steel lugged frame with cane rims. His unobtanium bike was no doubt a quantum leap in technology over previous records. To properly calculate the power output you would need to take into account the build of each rider individually as well as the total mass of rider and bike and the relative air density (less at altitude). It is certainly straight forward enough to calculate the relative efficiency of each riding position and certain things are minimal enough to be taken for granted or assumed as a constant. It would be interesting to compare Indurain’s power output to these over his hour given his build and body mass. Doping or not, funny bikes or not these are all spectacular rides. Great article by the way, I would love to see some follow up to this.

Comments are closed.