welcome to the jungle

not as funny as adler…

Hmm, does that mean recycled aluminum frames, or biodegradeble team kits?

Are vegans skinny?

Other than being a new color, I fail to see any reason for this sub-team’s existence. We have too many crca subteams already, unless Baranski can tell us how his formation will be different.

ok, who wants 2nd wheel?

Shut up Steve-0. All new teams are welcome. I agree with Justin

I’m down on the new subteam because unless they do something very special, it’s a loss for bike racing. Every bike club has to promote at least one open race every year. There are over 20 CRCA subteams and yet the club can barely manage to promote more than 3 open races a year. That is bad for everybody. Second, it means another bunch of guys with their hand out wanting a deal from bike shops. third, for all the talk of team tactics, I see very little in most city racing. people in matching kits does not a team make.

Steve O

What team are you on?

Steve O, you’re an idiot. Explain to me the correlation between having a (in your opinion) large number of subteams and the inability to promote more than 3 open races? Also, what is so wrong with promoting 3 open races? Thats plenty for 1 club to manage. If every cycling club in the northeast promoted 3 open races there wouldn’t be enough days in the year to accomodate them.

What do you propose as an alternative to new subteams? 150 people racing in the CRCA kits? Please. That would amount to a glorified NYCC ride.

….and furthermore, unless you are a bike shop owner, your ‘another bunch of guys with their hand out wanting a deal’ comment was completely stupid. Bike shops clean up….big time. Have you checked the $ on a set of tires lately. Do you know how many tires ONE serious training nyc racer will go thru in a year? Even with the discount if you stack that against revenue of the average joe-blow bike commuters tire purchase, well….you do the math. Not to mention the always replacing and supplying of chains, gearsets, cables, socks, brake pads, tubes, Chamois cream (20$ a pop), energy bars, and the list goes on. Multiply that against multiple members on one team and any bike shop would drool to sponser a sub-team squad. Racers are always getting upgrades..even frame upgrades, and thats big mula son! So before you start dissing another squad addition, ask yourself….when was the last time you a took a sacrificial pull or lead out sprinter or covered a team threatening break? There’s no such thing as too many teams;only not enough marshals! If the racing isnt to your liking then maybe you should consider taking your efforts to somewhere where there is less cycling interest. Surely you should be dominate.

Tri guys don’t need teams anyways. You roadies are a joke.

Would somebody PLEASE form a Tri team so this Jordan guy will shut up???!!!

I can’t diss on Tri-athletes. Any sport with women exerting energy in highcut bathing suits, gets the thumbs up, however, most tri-dudes in the park are all flash no gas. I drop these guys like 3 period French!

I wouldnt call it character assassination because you dont have the nuts to use your name. Unless you make a living piercing your ass cheeks together. I would think it was more so a “comment” assassination. You must spend a lot of time in the back. I understand, its a comfort zone thing. Try throwing in an attack for once in your life. It wont bite’cha. I see teams working together in my field at a lot of the races. Metro was pretty masterful this year and Foundation came out of nowhere and they all did it tactically as a team. You just have to know what your’re looking at son. Follow the points board to see who’s gonna do what. It’s not rocket science, but it does require some attention. If you want to pay 10 buck to be lead around like a sheep thats your biz. As for Bike shop econ. – I’d like to be on the recieving end of countless diehard cyclist coming into my shop and buying up product, forking over repair dough, and clothing. For what they pay for it, the paltry discount they give to cyclist is worth it to them. Can you say “repeat business”? Are you a NY’ker or what? If you go into a shop repeatedly and drop loads of dough on gear and such to support yourself as a member of a team with the shops name on your jersey…if the shop charged you full price, would you not be insulted?!……. Buh Bye

Lee3, now that’s a name. I haven’t commented on your ass cheeks or what you do for a living or how you live it, yet you’ve been harshing on everything about me. I notice that I’m here making points and taking heat and no one is standing up for me, so I’d say that’s putting in a pretty impressive attack. Metro? W/o scot keeping them in line, they’re barely a team, at least in the III-IV races. BTW, Grant’s Tomb is a Columbia U show, not CRCA, and the clinics aren’t open races. Kudos goes for picking up Harlem and the Fall harriman. Even if we say 8, the club has 18 to go.

Grant’s Tomb had CRCA support – the Columbia team asked for CRCA help and it was provided

The clinics had races for new riders who were not CRCA members. maybe not open to you, but open

steve O, what races did your team or club put on?

I see…….there’s a steve-o in the movie “jack-ass” and he filmed himself piercing his butt cheeks together. An obvious mis-directed reference since your last name could possibly begin with the letter o. Metro won the B field Team challenge, I believe, without scot.

Historic perspective: Before the CRCA had sub-teams, the club-race fields had 50 racers, all wearing the same jersey. There were race tactics being played out, but seldom team tactics. The introduction of small sub-teams helped club racers develop team tactics– a skill that was sorely lacking. Sponsors were introduced into the sport, where previously there were none. But sub-teams also split the club into small cliques, which was both good and bad.

Maybe Steve O thinks we have too much of a good thing? Or he’s among those who thought sub teams would ruin the club? At least he’s articulating his opinions.

I’ve not been round her 4ever, but I’ve heard some stories. Like Harriman used to be put on before CRCA was so big, and it was put on by smaller clubs. I also heard that in olden times CRCA club races were open to everyone, not just people with crca on their license. Some old guy on a gimbles ride told me that. I also noticed this crazy thing. If the kissena club decided to make all their races club races, there’d be not any toesday or wedsday nite racing, and there would be barely any races in the summer around here at all. That would totally suk.

Good luck, Jack. Too bad your announcement got hijacked by morons.

Go Vegan!