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All leader’s jerseys are being generously supplied by Champion System. A special thanks to Deverell Smith of the Cohesion Design Studio and the Edgemont Capital Cycling Team for creating the jersey design.
We Have a Winner: FBF Leader’s Jersey
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Cool Jersey. It looks great, well done.
awsome!
It combines the rich tradition of the field and bike racing
Very cool and well thought out. The military font is a nice touch!
RSun You’ve come through strong with another awesome jersey design. Good stuff!!! I look forward to seeing this jersey and the Edgemont team kit too when they’re both manufactured. Now you just need to make sure that youre wearing that jersey at Floyd.
Great work !!!
ugly shirt – not that I’ll be wearing it anyway
Contrary,
Loser in life & loser on the road. Didn’t your mama teach you to keep your mouth shut unless something good is gonna come out of it?
With the art work of the jersey aside, I think everyone is missing the point of this race. FBF is a TRAINING race. There’s roughly $150 prize money on the line for the P/1/2/3 category. Instead of charging $15 for an entry and providing a weekly jersey to the leader, why not treat the race for what it is?
Furthermore, when a rider dones the “leader’s jersey,” racing becomes very negative, and that negates from the true aggresive nature that makes FBF exciting.
I mean think about it…A race leader’s jersey for smallest race in the entire region? A Tuesday night 20 mile (unless it gets dark early – then 15 miles) warm-up at an abandoned airport! C’mon!!!
Haters suck.
Give ’em hell, Charlie!
So Charlie works for Champion System, who provides the free jersey. And he puts on the race. And he charges 15 bucks an entry, which is 3 dollars more than the last people who put on the race, even though the prize lists are the same as when the race cost 12 bucks. This sounds like Halliburton to me. Corruption sucks!
Paul – you’re playing the “charlie’s getting rich” card? Are you nuts? The exra money is so he can pay more marshalls.
Charlie don’t let them get under you skin. You owe no explainations, althought I love the story of tour de swiss.
I for one appreciate what you’ve done and the person you are. I wish I could get out there more myself, But Tuesday is my night at TTown. I will see you next year however at some point. Have a happy to you and yours!
Don’t take no guff, charlie
does europe even charge an entry for amateur races? let alone training races. thats america – everythings about the green stuff.
If you’re not going to do anything about what it is you don’t like, then don’t bitch. You certainly have the right to voice your opinion, but back it up and take action if you want change. We are truly lucky that there are so many races in the NYC area and races cost money. We should all be grateful to people like Charlie for taking on this relatively thankless job and for his passion.
I’m sick of these sob stories. Explain to me how it cost $15 to race at FBF with a prize list of $150 for the P/1/2/3. But at Central and Prospect Park, it cost $20-$25 to race YET, the prize list for the same category, the P1/2/3 is $500. That’s more than triple the prize list of FBF, despite an almost equal entry fee price for the two races.
Granted, nobody races for the money, but you do the math…I’m sick of these sob stories. Nobody needs 100Meters to go signs, cones, hats, jerseys etc. (OK, we need cones) We just need a damn Tusday night training race. So don’t BS anyone and say you are not making extra cash with these schemes.
Huge cash prizes, no entry fees…. Actually they’re giving out start money just like in Europe. However, there’s no gambling allowed. This is Amreica after all.
Brought to you by Marc, Paul & a guy named “Seriously”.
Thanks guys for all that you’re about to do for NY racing.
Paul
I dont think that anyone needs to explain to you the differences in race fees versus payouts. Perhaps your time would be better spent making the races profitable for yourself. Clearly you have an issue spending $15 at Prospect and $25 at Central Park to race. I’ll guess that you have not been earning any good placing. How about winning $135 at Prospect and $425 at Central Park. Obviously your complaining will not change the race fees. If you win the races you can make them work for you. If entry fees were $100 you can still be happy.
Outside of all of this discussion, can I ask what would be the problem w/ making money promoting bike races? Seriously! Given the great amount of effort, commitment, and staffing necessary the race promoter should make a few bucks. I find it hard to believe that you would work for free. Though I’m not sure it could be enough money to have to endure antagonistic comments like yours.
Paul, you share your opinions with a few other local racers. I propose that you establish yourself as a race promoter with conditions that you would be happy with. The concept is very simple. It can also be very motivating but something in me thinks that you are quick to open your mouth and slow to take action.
that’s a hot jersey. we wants it, preciousssss . . .
Oh, no. I wasn’t ragging on the jersey. It is a slick jersey, for sure. It’s just not the place for it. Why noy have Champion System, or whoever sponsor the race with cash?
Some of your responses were very funny, others, were not constructive in the least. Don’t make us go on strike – seriously.
When Charlie I. passes the puck, you worthless haters will beg for his return, and shun the idea of picking up the line. We all know your kind. Why dont you get into another sport and bitch to the organizers of those events, sparring us all of your un-original, $ centered obviousness.
Contrary, you gave yourself away with your keyboard stylings. You think the jersey is ugly, yet you KNOW you wont be wearing it – right?
We understand…..getting dropped sucks.
did anybody write anything hateful? was anybody personally condemned? i was suggesting a better way of doing things, based on europe – which has a rich history of successful cycling races. the only thing hateful has been the resistance to admit your own faults. why do you think only 20-25 guys show up at floyd? the race never improves, the prize money never improves, yet entry fees increase. but sorry for being honest – didn’t mean to ruffle any feathers – just wanted to help facilitate better racing for the ny cycling community. instead of immediately going on the defensive, why not look in the mirror?
Marc, one word on Europe vs the US – insurance.
A lot more than 20-25 people show up for the races. More like 20-25 per field, at least. Pretty damn good for a twilight series where most people have to hustle from work to make it on time.
The afterwork issue is THE most underlying dilemma with this race.
Personally I feel none of these local races should have any prize. All earnings should go to the organizers I think this would encourage people to organize more and betters races. It would give the organizers the ability to hire more marshals, more place pickers , have a finishing line camera ect. Look at most road running events in the area and you’ll see very few of the them give out prize money .
I agree with Tony M. There should be no prize money at all, AND entry fees should be raised as well. In fact, why quit while we’re ahead. Whoever is leading the FBF series, he/she should have to pay DOUBLE the normal entry fee.
I mean, this is such a genius idea, I can’t believe NOBODY thought of this before. It’s a no brainer. Let’s try it, and see how well it goes down with the riders. OK?
Alright. First, training race? Most show up to race with a mindset really no different than in other races. As a performer would perform for a 2 person audience, most racers try to win and improve. But this is not a race, but a series, and those who do well here are hallowed in the NYC area. Just read NY Velocity!
I don’t get there much, so show me who has been winning with a jersey! No winnings? Hey, hanging out past dark for most of us is not what we need, but I would help pick up a few cones or something to help out on my way out, and I know others would chip in on things if it were put that way. Enterance fee? Lower please, and lets get a following as in Europe where friends and family, ex racers and the like come to watch and marshal, pick, etc. Then not much $ is needed in the first place. This series has more potential, and shouldn’t crumble. It’d be good for certain local subteams to see as an opportunity to run and pay for rider support… Thanks NYvelo guys, these dialogues are motivating.
Whoever knew we had so many CUNTS as racers here in NYC???
To “Observer”,
You never get what you described, so you?
To “What”;
Hey, I am so totally not gay. For real.
see online cranky award #5.
So European race costs…..
A BCF memberships starts at about $120, if you want to race with bike insurance it’s more like $250. A race is then about $20, another $10 if you need insurance for the day. I raced wih the Surrey League – membership of about $80 additionally to the above. So racing in the UK is probably dearer than here – no matter what the race – Oh and prize money!!! Nah. Cat 3 or 4 Riders can maybe win $20 occasionally let alone the amount of Primes available in most US races.
Atleast if we did crash in a UK race there were no medical fees and depending on your insurance maybe the bike was covered – even abroad.
Charlie and all promoters deserve a bit more respect and in some cases a bit of leeway.
you complainers are really “off the wall” do you know how
many meetings promoters have to go to with the parks
department personnel? at least 3 meetings for each venue!
the promoters are told how much the parks department
dislike bike racing and each they are told “this is probably
the last year” The promoters are constantly harassed as to
more marshalls are needed, more cones and signs are neededand
the list goes on and on. Yeah well now the secret’s out, Charlie is
piling up all thos millions he is making on the races into an offshore
account along with several Swiss Bank accounts. Who do you think pays the promoters for those meeting?NO ONE That same No One also pays for the signs to be made, pays for the numbers, the pins, the pace vehicle drivers, the marshalls. When you come right down to it, I think
Charlie must be nuts to do this at all, let alone have to put up with all the negative comments. I don’t see a line
forming to take over the promoting of these races. There is an old saying “if you can’t say anything positive, don’t say anything at all”