So, when we say snipe away, we were being IRONIC!! Can we tone it down today, just for yucks? And, I’ve spoken to Rashad for 20 seconds total, and if a guy as nice as him is flame bait, none of us stand a chance. Wait, everyone loses their minds and I’m out of town? Let me catch up: you suck, no you suck, no you suck, no you’re in the CRCA.
CRCA Club Champs
Congratulations to Euri and Sarah! And we have no idea who won the 40+. EURI! EURI! EURI! EURI! SARA! SARA! SARA! SARA!
Mt. Washington
Titus Leung was top NY finisher, 3rd in the Men’s 35+. Jon Orcutt, 5th, M 40+, Angela Johnson 4th 30-34 Women, Ellen Moses, 4th W 40+, 8th overall W. Congrats to all who did well, now get to therapy – where you belong – you nut cases!
Prospect
We also have no idea who won there, and it sounds like we’re not the only ones. Noted without comment.
CRCA B’s
Trash talk central, dominated by NYVC (Mecray and Brown?), and it looks like they’ll win the B Challenge as well. If I say Shaw is a dick will the rest of you calm down? B’s talking trash? Did I wake up in a mental ward?
David Taylor won the 40+ after a "many" lap breakaway with Eric Berend and Roger F. (perhaps a few others who didn’t make the selection).
David Wiswell was 18th in yesterday’s Elite Criteirum Nationals in Downers Grove, IL
A development team kickin’ butt in the B-Cup races. Sending a rider to the podium week after week. How cool is that! Are we having fun yet?
BTW – Thank you so much Blake(ML) for your assitance yesterday, you made it easier to deal with the immediate pain/shock. I hope I did not get any horseshit on your robe! Also Lee, thank you for informing my teammate and coming around to check up on me, you guys are champs.
1 Tyler Hamiltion: 52:21
2 Ned Overend 54:41
32 John Orcutt 1:09:46
Mt. Washington Hill Climb.
Elevation gain 4727 ft. (1440.79 meters)
Length 7.6 miles (12.23 kilometers)
Grade Avg.12%, extended 18%, final 100 yds. 22%
Road surface 65% paved, 35% packed gravel
Hey John..what kind of gear combo did you use?
How were the winds?
There were 570 entrants in that Hill Climb!
Jeff Vogel won the 50+ convincingly.
Titus Leung of Deno’s Wonder Wheel (but not Brooklyn — can’t have everything) also did 1:09ish at Mt. Washington, getting 3rd in his age group which was won by … wait for it …Tyler Hamilton.
Maybe unknown in nyc racing circles, but Peter Savage from ny,ny finished MW hillclimb 1st in his age group 60-65 with a time of 1:29-impressive
what did i do? Faber ran over some baby seals in his camaro this weekend!
Everyone knows your a scum bag! your always yelling at your teammates for not bridging to the breaks and working for you….
How about a petition for Bear Mountain Team Cup Points???
Refrain from the bashing…
Titus did a great race – I rode with him for the middle part of the race and passed him with maybe two miles to go. I thought I had gapped him but he stormed by me at the end and sprinted the last wall for a good result.
I had a 26 on the front using a Campy triple crank-arm with a 25 set in the back. There were a few pitches where I could use the 21 and a few more where I was in the 23, but mainly in my smallest gear – was able to keep cadences at 70+ for the most part.
John O. — really nice ride. Was that the first time you rode the climb or had you ridden it previously?
How about a petition for Bear Mountain Team Cup Points???
but when you live 5 minutes away and have a busy schedule racing at 630 when your family is asleep keeps you in shape for the 2 or 3 interesting races you can make time for. So I guess it doesn’t suck so bad.
Just want to confirm:
Shaw is scum.
rad smologa won PP with gavin robertson 2nd. why is rad a cat 4? i don’t he has ever lost a race i’ve seen him in.
Thanks Armand – I’ve done it a couple of times before, pretty overgeared with a compact crankset. Last year I was doing no climbing and weighed more — all my results were on dead flat courses and I did around 1:16 on Mt. Washington. I was climbing better in ’04 and did 1:14 in monstrous weather. This year I moved up a few places on the overall from ’04. Time improvement is a combo of weather (mild winds), smarter gearing and better climbing form.
John you said with compact gearing you were overgeared.
What was the rollout for your easiest gear?
I think an 34/21 Compact =39/25 rollout. So you could climb with at tighter gear ratio.
Maybe revisit the Compact Gearing for next year, and roll and 11/23 for tighter gear ratio when climbing?
Dude, we are talking stupid steep for the whole climb and stupidly small gears. With the compact my smallest gear was 34×29. = 30.8 gear inches. The 26×25 is 27.3. 26×23 is 29.7. Not much smaller but keeping a little higher cadence there and some shifting option is a good thing. I was going to use the 29 on the back but became afraid that given the option of smaller gears I would use them and go slower. I think Titus had the 34×29. Using 39 on the front is almost out of the question. I think even Hamilton had a 38 or 36.
jon-you had a 26 on the compact crank?
Used a Campy triple in the front (see below) though only had the small ring — didn’t bother with other rings or front der.
Hey guy – I think as an open race we should just leave it at that. It has big club attendance ’cause its our open race. CP races are one thing, Bear is different and lets not confuse the two and make non CRCA riders think they are just witnessing some club event. USCF might even have an issue with combining an open race with team pts…
Wasn’t last year’s 40/50+ Club Championships part of the Bear Mtn Race?
I don’t think there were any issues b/c of it.
Shaw that’s an outrageous and libelous statement. I wouldn’t kill a seal with a camaro. (a camaro?!) I’m a BMW guy. Seals would have felt no pain after I hit them with the ultimate driving machine. You know what.. you’re a dick!
Faber – the camaro is a quality american automobile, you dick.
jon, did you get a chance to see what frame tyler was using?
rides a calfee I believe……
a PARLEE
So I guess his tricky Phonak bike has been reposessed? Ha ha ha. Serves him right, the lying, cheating jerk. I wonder if he EPO’d his way to victory at Mt Wash too…
Does this sound too harsh? Might not be so unforgiving if the guy had the balls to admit his errors and take the heat like a man.
yea well, we’re all in agreeance to Tylers faults and issues. Thats old news buddy – grudges make ya old, get over it. i’m curious to what team inks a deal with’em. Can he re-join the pro ranks or does he have the 2 year pro-tour ban to sit through? Will Saunier come a knockin? Maybe Agritubel or Lampre?
Aug 21,2006 by anonymous
Refrain from the bashing…
out of 90 entrees 60 are CRCA 4 riders. That’s pretty much the entire "B" field. They don’t have to tell USCF anything. Just simply award team points to the top CRCA "B" riders.. 1st thru 8th place. That’s all.
Remember how they used to crown the USPRO championships..top US rider gets the prize..same scenario…except top "B" riders (place 1st thu 8th) get points towards team cup.
Sweet idea — but how about waiting to make it a team cup until a few days before the race. Or even after the race! That’ll really get the juices flowing.
P1-out of town dude wins it…
p2-CRCA "A" (CAT 4) rider no points
p3-CRCA "B" rider 1st place Team Challenge points
p4-CRCA "B" rider 2nd place points
p5-CRCA "A" rider no points
p6-CRCA "B" rider 3rd place points.
p7-CRCA "B" rider 4th place points
p8-CRCA "B" rider 5th place points
p9-CRCA "B" rider 6th place points
p10-out of town dude
p11-CRCA "B" rider 7th place points
p12-CRCA "B" rider 8th place points
A fundamental policy of running a good race series is that substantial changes should not be made late in the game unless there is a very important reason to do so. IIRC, the CRCA 40+/50+ championship was put into the fall Harriman race because, due to exceptional circumstances, some club races were cancelled or moved at the last minute because of forces beyond the club’s control. So the choice was either have champs at Bear or have no Champs. The board moved the champs to Bear.
This year, the idea of including Harriman in the B series is just an idea that some people think is good. Maybe it is a good idea in principle (I’m not saying it is and I’m not saying it isn’t). But it’s definitely not a good idea to do it with the series already well underway and the registration for the Harriman race closed.
If yall think incorporating an event like that into a series is a good idea, bring it up with the CRCA board early next year for the 2007 series.
Speaking of results, does anyone have the results and/or video/pics/anything from yesterday’s B cup race?
Yes, Jon’s right, I had a 34-29. Felt about right.
Jon rode great race. I didn’t think I’d ever come back to him after he rode away from me. But I just wanted to ride my own pace and keep something for the end. Jon, I was hoping you were right on my wheel at the last wall and we could leave that pesky dude in the black jersey in the dust.
Teammate Brian Rafferty also had awesome ride…until he flatted and had to run up the rest of the climb (with bike on his shoulder). He was on pace to finish with similar time to orcutt and i. he also didn’t have benefit of starting in the first group with better pacing.
keep trying to come up with ways that could possibly give your team a chance to win the cup. maybe a tiddlywinks match for cup points?
This B stuff is a bit much. It is like having a Cat 4 World Championships. Set your sights higher, please!
Yes, Jon’s right, I had a 34-29. Felt about right.
Jon rode great race. I didn’t think I’d ever come back to him after he rode away from me. But I just wanted to ride my own pace and keep something for the end. Jon, I was hoping you were right on my wheel at the last wall and we could leave that pesky dude in the black jersey in the dust.
Teammate Brian Rafferty also had awesome ride…until he flatted and had to run up the rest of the climb (with bike on his shoulder). He was on pace to finish with similar time to orcutt and i. he also didn’t have benefit of starting in the first group with better pacing.
Great Effort..anyway we can get a posting of all the CRCA/Local teams that did this race?…also pics…
Any power numbers from Mt Washington?
"The entire ‘B’ field is registered for Bear…just thought it would make it interesting…"
It’s already a good race without more geegaws added to it. I’m reminded of the gambling addict who has a bet with the devil for his soul, and then asks the devil if they can put money on it "to make it interesting."
To all you gents who are so graciously willing to forgive and forget Tyler’s past misdeeds – that’s great. Just make sure that you distribute your forgiving nature evenly. I seem to remember the almost gleeful reaction of many on this forum when it was determined that "Pulla" was caught cheating. I ask you whether you would be just as gracious if he showed up at one of your races – would you be asking about his new bike or would there still be a little bit of that venomous attitude/feeding frenzy that we witnessed when his misdeeds got outted…..Just a thought.
Re: B-Cup challenge WTF –
This line of reasoning is kind of illogical because unless your a world class pro-tour rider who is winning races (maybe 24 guys in the world) you could say this about any level of rider… its along the same lines as saying someone’s win doesn’t count because the field was weak that day or other riders were tired or weren’t really trying..I don’t think we have an delusions of making the cover of the Times by winning the B-cup but its something to shoot for and judging by how earnestly the teams are trying to win- I think its valid.
Okay riders..Listen up.. "Along with the USCF points awarded at the finish, the top eight CRCA "B" finishers will be awarded points that will be for the team challenge"
If not this year, then next…I say this can also be for a 3 field. If 3/4 of the field are CRCA riders, then the race can be used towards team challenge points….
Just an idea for next year…
Even if they didn’t take they’d still kick my "B" challenge a**. I feel bad for the the podium guys who probably feel robbed of the limelight.
Okay..now that that’s settled..what’s next?
Is Craig Upton PreRegistered for Bear?…Is he back in town?
Maybe you’re right that some teams maybe looking for any opportunity to seek an additional chance to win the B Team Cup. I would think that this level of motivation is a great thing.
Put your $$$ where your mouth is. Those that have been talking a lot of trash lately about their team results should be welcoming another opportunity to show the CRCA world more evidence of their USPS-like dominance.
There doesn’t seem to be any pain in allowing this added challenge to the race. Why not check with the B team managers to see if they’d like to race for points at Bear. Hell make it an online poll with public results so that we can see which team accepts or denies the challenge. Every team will be represented at Bear based on the registration list. If everyone accepts, it should go through. There will be a real camera providing real, undeniable finishing results. How hard will it be to look through the results list and connect the top finishers to the appropriate awarded team points? Hopefully not as hard as posting club race results on the crca website.
Rather than asking "someone" to run an online poll or send out emails to team managers, you just make up your own series. Name it after yourself if you want (you have to share your name to do so) or give it some other name if you want. Publicize a points system in advance with the Bear or whatever races you want, tally it up — it’s easy to look through the results, right? Then ask the guys at NYVelocity to post your rankings. You have to send it to them very nice and neat to make it easy for them. Or send the rankings in to the CRCA newsletter in a little article you run — I’ll bet they’ll run it. It’s that simple. Just do it.
Someone wake me up when it’s over.
Bear is an awesome race..
So with 60 CRCA guys shelling out 30 bucks a piece..you can’t sweeten the pot a little bit?….we don’t want money..just some points..
Is Mike Green still the race promoter?…can we ask him?
Like I said it’s not that hard to say…
"Okay riders..Listen up.. "Along with the usual USCF points awarded at the finish, the top eight CRCA "B" finishers will be awarded points that will be for the team challenge"
Well…You have somewhat of a valid point on the forgiveness factor. I saw Pulla on a gimbels ride recently and I was glad to see’em back in the saddle however I did have reservations about attempting to hold his wheel even though, as it was well put earlier, he could drop a great number of us "clean"! I was glad to see him riding and I look forward to seeing him race again and if I were in his field, he’d be forgiven. Its bad enough that he has an asterisk next to his results and that asterick will follow him for as long as he’s involved in cycling. No one will remember the races he MAY win after his ban. They’ll only remember the Univest event when he was busted. I’m sure the people that raced against him have different perspectives. For what its worth, i do still feel that Floyd rode a clean Stage 17.
I hear the winds @ Mt Washington are pretty brutal as well. How does it compare to Floyds?
Anyone have these to post?
How about a Floyd "Eddy" division. Only mid section (zipp 404 type rims allowed)…
I think more guys will be willing to enter that race.
Or just make it completely an "Eddy" race…
where you been???!!!
I’d make the Floyd TT even more interesting by volunteering my fixed gear for all entrants to use. Same bike, different riders -strongest wins!
schmalz
Aug 21,2006 by anonymous
I’d make the Floyd TT even more interesting by volunteering my fixed gear for all entrants to use. Same bike, different riders -strongest wins!
Shut the fuck up about the Bear B Cup. Get a fucking life.
Fixed gear TT? – I think Kissena’s got that pretty much covered. They’re trying to get more roadies out there so maybe they should disguise it as a TT event!
how about some constructive criticism, thoughts on training..race reports, ideas for races, or generally funny comments…
No hate today…save that for the cabbies, guys that "door" you, rollerbladers going the wrong way, and significant others who want you to spend less time on the bike……
>>Here’s an idea…
Aug 21,2006 by anonymous
Shut the fuck up about the Bear B Cup. Get a fucking life.
for being the nastiest poster on Friday to being Keith Carradine or some shit today
You know, I’m beginning to argee with people yelling that nyc has no strong men in the cat 1-2 ranks. How is it that I am the only CRCA rider in the pro12 field at Green Mt.? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
blake you suck
Because when you busted your cranium two years ago you suffered permanent brain damage.
plus one or two Mengonis
Yes, Jon’s right, I had a 34-29. Felt about right.
Jon rode great race. I didn’t think I’d ever come back to him after he rode away from me. But I just wanted to ride my own pace and keep something for the end. Jon, I was hoping you were right on my wheel at the last wall and we could leave that pesky dude in the black jersey in the dust.
Teammate Brian Rafferty also had awesome ride…until he flatted and had to run up the rest of the climb (with bike on his shoulder). He was on pace to finish with similar time to orcutt and i. he also didn’t have benefit of starting in the first group with better pacing.
Why should we be reading posts from people who can’t stand by what they say enough to actually say that they said it? (translation: post your name or get no respect)
Just want to clarify –
the ‘Brown?’ with a question mark refers to Jamie Brown of Team OrganicAthlete who posted our first podium spot in a CRCA event.
Congrats, Jamie!!
Long live CRCA!!
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not me…but I can’t be angry all the time..just bad for business
b cup whiners:
It’s better to get 15th in a cat 3 race than to win a cat 4 race.
Get your points and upgrade. Dorks.
it is better to get 22nd in a P12 race than to win a Cat 3 race.
Get your points and upgrade.
you used to be one of those dorks….
Nice job Jamie!!! Word is you missed 1st by a hair. Your form is looking good!
Nice job Jamie!!! Word is you missed 1st by a hair. Your form is looking good!
Bidding is up to $3
I was hoping for a little more than a shot of Matt McConaghy’s six-pack, but thanks…
Did the ‘Jens’ in the CRCA Masters’ Champs in the breakaway, and here is an example is why going long and strong is sometimes worth it: the pack brought us within sight on lap 3 Harlem Hill. I put the hammer down with some help from David, as his teammates slowed the chase behind, and we opened up the gap and stayed away.
If I were thinking about taking "even" pulls in the break, we likely would have been caught. You riders who write about being so clever about finishing, calling a breakaway type a "moron" for finishing 20th after working hard: when you get your upgrade from so much wheelsucking, why don’t you then go anywhere further?
Could it be that you rise to the level of your (lack of) fitness, and then get beat by the guys who are a bit better at the game than you? Will you really improve, trying to be one of the ‘smart’ sprinter wait-for-the-end types like the next 100 guys? How many guys like this really do well, beyond Cat. 4?
P.S. …..
To "Yeah, and" & "ex Cat 3 punk":
…and BTW, I have this year placed 7th and 9th in P/1/2/3, as a Cat. 3. Kudos to Francesco and Radislaw who have placed against Cat.3’s in 3/4 fields. There are some good racers around here; some of you guys’ sour attitudes are becoming petty and tiresome. How about an ‘upgrade’ — to your so-called humor?
Where is Rakim?
i was a fiend …
before i became a teen
i melted microphones
like they was cones of ice cream
music-orientated
so when hip hop was originated
fitted likes pieces of puzzle … complicated
Word!
I can’t think of everyone
….and for Rakim, too. You guys who have been out training and racing hard, going for it, and making the results to move up; well, you and the people who matter around you, know who you are.
eric,
you off your meds again?
You stayed away cause only 5 (4 Axis and O’Neill) guys left in the pack were even chasing and BR was following everything for Taylor. Even Metro did zero chasing.
Okay…."Dear Jens aka Eric B"
I see, so with me doing about 1/2 the work, David doing another 1/3, and the others combining for the remianing about 1/6; against four Axis riders plus Doug O’Neill. Shouldn’t that have been a mis-match — in THEIR favor? Still looks pretty good to me, and I’m sure David’s happy with the result, too.
And besides, if you are so sure it was a weak race, why didn’t you show up and beat me? From your own description, shouldn’t it have been so easy for you?
….oh, BTW this was the day after the A Champs. Was there anyone else besides David and me, able to work the break? Where’s your recovery? Again, if it was so easy, why weren’t you there?
…and P.S. All I wrote was that I "did the Jens", for THAT race. I am nowhere near this guy. No-one around here is. For the "Jens Voight of the Club", try Ken Harris. I go with those who would vote for him in that role.
Oh Eric – give it a rest. You’re a colorful character , who in the past has gotten a raw deal from a few people. You’re a strong rider no doubt but enough already with these conspiracy theories and endless self promotion antics about how you work harder than anyone else. All you’re doing is giving people a reason to not work with you. And seriously – quit it with the arguing and shouting matches at races, both home and away. Screaming and ranting obsenities in the park at 8am is bad for cycling in general, and doing the same at out of town races just gives CRCA a bad name in the eyes of local promoters.
Do what you do best – ride hard, and leave all the crazy shit behind.
Good luck.
Eric,
Just so you know, I subscribe to the CBRC newsgroup, which is an Albany area club. After the Unionvale race they were all trading posts about your nutty antics at that race.
Who was second in the 2005 40+ race? Get my point?
My life is something unbelievable, really
Can anyone make me a diabolo?