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CRCA Point’s Race won by Jeff King. Ricky won the sprint for the Met finish. Spring Series continues, and I have absolutely no knowledge of the results as I was ankle deep in ground water all weekend. Schmalz pumping – does that sound dirty or what?
Amaury Perez of Mengoni wins Spring Series 123. If Paul Carbonara starts, Paul Carbonara places. Scott Wisenbacker keeps winning. And finally, look out Maggie Shirley, Schmalz (aka Ladies Sprint Champ) has you in his sights.
Oh, and there’s a landslide on River Road. Thanks to Kim Mini Thor for these cellphone shots. The landslide’s almost at the end, so you’ll have to double back if you don’t want to climb the 100 meters or so to get by it.
Rob,
Thanks for the challenge, but I’ll be facing other challenges at a bachelor party in Mexico that weekend.
Congrats to you and your team for taking the Bethel 3/4 Series and racing smarter than Adler (haha).
Is Floyd guilty of doping, who knows? Are there problems with the test and the way it was carried out, definitely. There is a reason there are rules for testing. They are published for a reason. If the rules can’t be followed, then the tests should be declared invalid. Cross out numbers on a sample and then having the same lab confirm their own results are both examples of major problems with the tests. No allowing Floyd’s representative observe the test is also another major problem. What are they trying to hide?
I don’t see why people are unhappy with the Empire team. They are a bunch of guys who managed to get some attractive sponsorship. What’s the big deal? Apparently their sponsors see some value in giving them money and/or product. Maybe you should spend more time working on your sponsorship package rather than bitching on this forum. 🙂
Would like to welcome the ny’ers up to CT for my teams(connecticut coast cycling) first race. would like to personally invite all the adler team for a rematch! The race is a one day race at the bethel industrial park. Here is a link to registration.
http://www.bikereg.com/events/register.asp?eventid=4544
Thanks, Rob
Would like to welcome the ny’ers up to CT for my teams(connecticut coast cycling) first race. would like to personally invite all the adler team for a rematch! The race is a one day race at the bethel industrial park. Here is a link to registration.
http://www.bikereg.com/events/register.asp?eventid=4544
Thanks, Rob
a couple of them are older than my dad
i guess i would say that while i think any promoter has the right to charge what they want, and then any rider has the right to race or not race that promoters’ race…i guess whats bothering me right now is that the last two events i’ve gone to, the timing/scoring was whacked…goofs were made….and unless i’m missing it, we still dont see Cherry blossom results?! re they anywhere and i’m just boneheading it? a few hundred riders x 45 bucks. ok, fine. you want premium, we can pay premium. bu provide premiums. where be the results?
I know…… another know it all that uses the club races for training and has bigger goals later in the year. ie no results.
Bandits and several teams (or a rider or two from several teams) chased down many breaks in the points race. Sids/Zoltan put in several hard attacks late in the race. Don’t know what race this "guy at the front" was watching…
How long will Disco wait to dump him? One week? Two? Those boys are going to be in a mess once more blood gets tested. Contador, Basso, Paulhino and Davis…seems more Tinkoffesque than Tinkoff in terms of riders linked to doping probes.
maybe it was the pace vehicle driver…
some of the younger guys in the front end of the Bs aren’t so young
hahaha too true! Fast old dudes too…
The sprinters’s teams had guys in the break helping to bring it back together.
Well put! Who is this guy who was riding near the front?
To "Points Race"
Apr 24,2007 by anonymous
So why didn’t you just ride away and get all the points?
As for Bandits and PReview not doing anything to help King and Lowe. Maybe you should ask them if they got some help. Maybe if Ugly or Rashad had a couple more teamates they would have won a sprint or two. Not much seperates the fastest guys in the club. Sometimes its the help
great VO2max training. Moving into the correct position to contest the top of Harlem usually means a hard effort around engineer’s gate, which translates into a perfect VO2max interval. . . of course this doesn’t apply too often at my age. ;
Yeah, a pretty fast lap – check out times at CRCA race result pages from last few years.
"more sprints = more tactical opportunities for all if you use teamwork "
The Bandit guys, particularly ADM, brought that break back! What do you think the field just stays together with no effort on team’s part?
comment but it does make us feel slightly better after struggling to keep up on Saturday:
Total time for B race: 1:26:20
Time for first 6 laps of A race: 1:26:11
i’ve only done a few of these club races – are 14ish minute laps for the "A" field considered fast? just curious. I thought it was some good racing this weekend.
So why didn’t you just ride away and get all the points?
As for Bandits and PReview not doing anything to help King and Lowe. Maybe you should ask them if they got some help. Maybe if Ugly or Rashad had a couple more teamates they would have won a sprint or two. Not much seperates the fastest guys in the club. Sometimes its the help
if anyone is hating on empire for having nice equipment, you’re seriously deranged. look around…most racers have bikes that far exceed their ability. there are power meters, zipp wheels, and carbon fiber everywhere….even in the 5’s. what an asinine argument.
"Sprinters and their teams? I didn’t see anything that looked like team riding to keep the race together on Saturday"
Did you go to happy hour before the race? The Bandits and Princeton Review were SMOTHERING moves on Saturday.
I totally dig the points races and love that we have 5 of them offered. They are: 1) faster than the others, so better workout 2) more sprints = more tactical opportunities for all if you use teamwork 3) only points races I know of in the region 4) plenty of opportunity to attack between sprints and try to make a break work, which almost worked last year in 1 race I was in and would have stolen pts from the sprinters – all non-sprinters should be thinking about this, but not enough apparently executed on it (kudos to BlueR apparently for trying…) 5) generally way more interesting races due to the complexity, which I find overall more satisfying.
Dont like them? – take the advice and race Branchbrook et al. Also, I would think that any attacks that looked "lame" only appeared that way due to the fact of 14 min field lap times. This suggests the need for better tactical planning and maybe multi-team strategy to counter, which again is more interesting than standard scratch races, right?
Just an opinion from an "average Joe" in the A pack… Would any of the top racers in the club disagree?
Chris
Sprinters and their teams? I didn’t see anything that looked like team riding to keep the race together on Saturday. Ricky’s team didn’t do anything for him, Ugly didn’t have much help and Bandit just waited for it to come back together then did a quasi lead out. In between sprint laps, the Blue Ribbon attacked pathetically and didn’t get anywhere and nobody seemed to be able to ride away from the complacent field. Sprinters and thier team tactics? Try watching the race from the front. It wasn’t that bad.
Look at the big picture — the overall balance of races in NYC. There are many opportunities for scratch racing and almost none for points racing. So, while I personally don’t like points races, it seems to me that it’s great for the club to offer them. If someone doesn’t want to do a points race they can do something else. For example, this past Saturday there were scratch races very closeby in Newark.
Why are there 5 points races in the CRCA this year? Are we turning into a track club? Are they trying to kill the teams without sprinters? 2 points race max a year makes sense to me.
I also want to say that I am happy that the people run races in the park. Their work is very appreciated. The races have been very well run this year. Great job guys.
I saw Baker’s presentation.
We’re talking about the same guy who said testosterone is not a performance enhancer, right?
Because that is just disingenuous and, frankly, he’s a quack.
Baker is part of Floyd’s cadre of ‘experts, ‘ and as such he is part of the P.R. machine.
I agree that science is science but arguing over the penmanship of a lab technician is not.
Floyd’s fans are like Manson family members. No, not dangerous, but about as stupid.
Discovery Channel suspends Basso
"All this specultion comes from his p.r. machine."
not quite. looks like someone hasn’t taken the time to read arnie baker’s presentation. science is science.
hey, you’ve gotta get sponsorship where you can!
Get the facts straight?
He failed a dope test in the Tour de France. That is a fact. A shame? Maybe. Are there irregularities? I don’t know.
All this specultion comes from his p.r. machine.
Now his camp says the results are fabriated. Can you state the facts for that argument?
Badger has a blog called Fredzilla, he has class and Style !
This is the voice of reason?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/244/459239351_abd34410a2.jpg
Back to the 5’s w/ you.
Steve Badger is the best bike racer I’ve ever seen on CRCA !
I’m a Rashad Fan.
on the NYVelocity homepage?
Good position on the bike by both of them.
Maggie Shirley is really good looking.
how about talking less shit about a team that represents our local cycling scene on a higher level (and does it well), and putting your money were your mouth is?
I think its time for a sprint off…
when was the last time an anon hater won a bike race? Didnt think so…
Floyd first, then Empire.
Does any of us really know anything about the Floyd case aside from what we read on velonews.com (and other online sources, etc.)? Unless one of us was actually present or at least maybe on the same continent as the whole lab testing procedure, it seems kind of stupid to be telling each other to get the "facts" straight. no one knows, so speculate on.
empire. cut the guys some slack. just because they’re good at what they do doesn’t mean they have to be hated on so much. and here’s another question: even if they have a billion dollars each and still spend their sponsors’ money on stuff, how does that hurt you? could the cash go to supporting a junior squad somewhere? probably. but you could probably donate more to charity out of your per annum salary than you currently do. he without sin cast the first stone and all that…
If someone is a professional and very good at their sport then that’s probably all that they do. If they were working full time then sure they’d afford it all but then they wouldnt be good would they??? then i wonder why the Discovery guys dont just buy their own stuff instead of being sponsored. get a life
There are not that good.
But I hope the turn out won’t be effected by the pre-reg. that has never been the case in Kissena history. Why the change? Could it have been avoided?
There’s an infetration. And I thougt the only place to get an infetration these days was the adult section on Craigslist.
They’re faster and have better stuff. I hear Ken spells well, too.
any pictures of exploded zipps? I always like to see destroyed carbon fiber while checking my cheap ass aluminum rims for wear after 2 seasons of trusty service.
How is 2 races in 1 day very "euro"?
I agree it is cool and Ugli kicks ass but 2 races in 1 day is very american, not euro. masters plue the 1/3 at some industrial park crit. Euro’s don’t have masters racing or lower cat racing. you do "the" race and that is it. no 2 races in one day.
That’s what the rules call for. And looking (not touching) addes to fairness. An excerpt from UCI rules is below.
http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/14ant-E.pdf
197. The opening of the B Sample may be attended by the Rider, an expert designated by him or by his National Federation, a representative of the Rider’s National Federation and a representative of the UCI.
198. The analysis of the B Sample may be attended by the Rider or one representative if such request was made when the B Sample analysis was requested. The laboratory may restrict the attendance in order to avoid any disturbance of the analysis.
I’ll start.
Most of them are a bunch of professionals that are very good at thier sport, bike racing. They can all afford to buy thier own stuff, yet they spend the sponsors money (a boat load) on themselves, instead of young talended riders.
you go next.
ps; if this gets taken down then I know nyvelocity has been infetrated
Congrats to CU for a nice showing in the A’s and then winning the 3’s a Cherry Blossom with a sick sprint. Two races in one day is very Euro.
ps Rashad just keeps getting better and he is much cooler than you and I will ever be.
Do we get our $35 back ,scum bag
on Floyd because he’s hurting the sport on his selfish capaign to save his millions.
I don’t understand why people (person) hate(s) on Empire.
Wow, NYVC is back up…between everybody calling Floyd a doper and then slamming Empire for no reason, it looks like we’re back into the season again.
the only excitement from empire at cherry blossom was the fantastic way Yuri destoryed his front zipp 404
I always feel strongly that we have to throw the cheating bums out. I don’t know if he cheated, but it doesn’t look so good. But a part of me just feels bad that he’s getting slammed so bad here. Heck, so many of TdF have cheated (yes, speculation) and I’d guess most of the top GC guys for the last 30 years have cheated (yes, more speculation). This guy is one of the few top guys to get real punishment.
I’m not cycling official, but I just can’t believe that lab procedure and the rules allow for the tested subject or his "chosen expert" to be leering at the lab techs while they are doing the tests with the sole intent to uncover some tiny technical error that they can use to have the case thrown out.
"Look! I think that tech guy has a tear in his glove!" "Hey, I saw spittle when he spoke that might have entered my test tube and contaminated the result!" Ah! So much doubt a "hired expert" can sow…the neutral lab can be turned into a sea of suspicion, just as they have done already with a few documents by noting clerical errors.
"Behind closed doors"? Yes, as it should be, in my opinion… Until WADA et al fire a lab and hire another one for any reason, the chosen and current lab must be given the respect to do its job as normal and be presumed competant.
First it was wiskey, then it was due to the effort, then a spelling error, then they should do the re-test somewhere else, now they didn’t let some guy in to watch…
They really seem like excuses. Like chimeras, if you will.
It really doesn’t look good for Floyd Landis.
its about PROCEDURE. if your job is to go after dopers in teh sport and make accusations that can ruin a person’s career, you damn well better lay out the rules, make them fair, and FOLLOW them.
Gotta look after the civil rights of Armstrong, Tyler, and Floyd!
Floyd’s job is to win, and according to you, to do so at all cost. If the lab makes a typo then all results must be discarded FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND!
You’re right! First it was the French who couldn’t stand another American winning, and now it’s those damn Americans who can’t stand Landis and his rock and roll attitude! These damn anti doping labs are in cohoots to bring down a rebel like Landis.
It is not fair is it?
are yours?
Landis had representatives PRESENT for the latest series of tests, just not his ‘expert’ who, it turns out, has been bad mouthing the lab since october.
You are just biting into the cheese left out by his powerful lawyers. The very same guys who defended Tyler Hamilton.
Also, his other samples now reveal exo testosterone.
He can’t complain all he wants on his website, but he can’t refute what the lab has found: he’s lying.
jaime and pollo.
are yours?
Landis had representatives PRESENT for the latest series of tests, just not his ‘expert’ who has been bad mouthing the lab since october.
You are just biting into the cheese left out by his powerful lawyers. The very same guys who defended Tyler Hamilton.
Also, his other samples now reveal exo testosterone.
He can’t complain all he wants on his website, but he can’t refute what the lab has found: he’s lying.
You officials seem to get more grief than thanks, but there’d be no sport without you guys. Thanks for your tireless and often thankless work.
I’ll have results posted for the Sunday race at Kissena online tonight at http://www.kissena.info/track.
Good thing I have 24 setup on the DVR; ain’t getting to watch that tonight.
Alan
The whole thing kind of stinks a little.Whats with the behind the curtains procedure? I’d be a little pissed about it as well. What I dont understand is why is USDA not assuring that the procedure is being done proper to the letter?
Jaime is doping on painkillers now.
Whether or not Floyd doped you need to get your faccts straight.
His reps were in France yes, but they were denied access to witness the test. Do you think it is possible that a lab that has major credibility issues would go through the USADA to block an obsever if they were truly legit. Just a question.
If you reputation and livelyhood were on the line wouldn’t you like to know if the solution dilutent had a label that said ExoTest (or cocaine, or whatever) as opposed to water. Just saying.
If he is guilty and they (the French or USADA) know it shouldn’t it be completely transparent on their end.
Jamie is a doper?
after all. But he continues to act like a victim.
His representatives were there at the retesting and yet he complains (via his website) that his chosen ‘expert’ could not attend.
And he expects this is to be taken as further evidence that they are just out to get him. First the lab is evil, now it’s USADA.
"a mockery of justice" and "a full-scale attack on my civil rights," he calls it.
Poor little doper!
Will he go away and serve his suspension? Will he let cycling begin to repair the damage that his public charade has caused? Probs not.
Also, to Jaime: get better soon.
Jaime, hope all is well, you did a hell of a race on Saturday.
If you need an expert doctor, let me know.
Thanks, Chris, for passing on the news of Jaime’s unfortunate accident.
Jaime: A speedy and full recov to you, man. Sounds like a rotten crash. Arm fracture? Sh*t. Really sorry to hear that. What happened to cause it?
Yes, Jaime got taken down on that descent. Be careful.
Anybody have the results from the CRCA points race?
The run-out straight away following the state line hill decent heading norhtbound on 9w has some terrible and deep pot holes – deep enough to knock a superb bike handler off their ride at 35 mph. USe caution.
Chris Uglietta won the 3’s Sat afternoon at Branchbrook. I think he may have finished 2nd in the CRCA points race that morning, but I haven’t seen results to confirm.
results from Cherry Blossom at Branchbrook? How did Empire do?
Nasty landslide on River Rd goes for like 100 M – still can do hill repeats though – access by 9W at Sherrifs station. Traffic up and down the hill yesterday was crazy – constant cars!
Jamie Garcia from ML had a nasty training crash on 9W with bad rash and arm fracture – call and wish him well if you know him…
anyone have results from the Rahway Crit