Loehner takes the CRCA A race, Serra in the Bs. The laughing Ladies go 1-2-3, with Sarah Sauvayre taking the win. We have photos of the Prospect Race, but no the winner’s name (a Champion guy) – we only know the names of every Cat 4 in town – not the Cats 1s or 2s. Can we get a little help here?
At Park Ridge the Toyota United guy who caught the field (Bobby Lea), sprinted it out at the line with the Rite Aid guy who also caught the field (no idea what his name was), and to me it looked like the Rite Aid guy won. How’s that for reporting? The Pulitzer’s in the bag! Jared Bunde outsprints Lisban Quintero for third.
A fellow from Holland (Ben Showman – racing for NYSketchers) wins the Park Ridge 3s race. Charles Berckmann (of Merrill Lynch) wins the 4s. Schmalz races for 15 minutes in the 3s race, collapses in Andy’s arms.
Also, on a very sad note, Lee Gorman, park marshal extraordinare, passed away. She will be missed by all who heard her shout encouragement from the bottom of Cat’s Paw Hill.
why don’t you bumms just quit all together. watch the tour on TV and keep dreaming.
I jsut switch my race number with Jeff King’s when he’s not looking. I win!
I just skip the race altogether and tell my friends I won. Racing is safer that way.
i don’t even do 90% of the race. i just wait in the bushes until the last lap. that way i’m fresh for my 20th place in the sprint finish.
After I drop off the back, I take the cutoff before Harlem Hill and come out just in front of the pack – definitely the safest way to move to the front.
i teleport through the field
actually move up underneath or over the field.
Paul DeBartolo told me that Wilson was a master at moving up in the field right through the middle.
Chris M got some results. Low-level results, but they are results. He’s a guy who is learning and improving at a decent level for a bike race. I have the impression he was very good at some other sport before starting racing.
In bigger races, or faster races, it is generally the guys on the outside of the pack that are “moving up,” the people in the middle of the road are losing position. Positioning is something that can and should be worked on at every level, and something a rider should always pay attention to. The need for a rider to move up through the center of the pack, comes when the race is slow, or in the case of a group finish.
Chris M is no longer avail to post. He was last seen heading to a S African retreat to decompress and get far away from his producers.
Sorry to be boring – the cardinal sin of posting!
Yes, a tiny pamphlet at best. Limited racing experience (as self advertised for that very reason…), but 36 years of life and competition and a solid dose of common sense, son.
Your like a little buddha, covered in fur
chris m = new lee3 but not as funny
What the pros ride pictures are really funny.
3 WHOLE years? wow, you must be a virtual… …uh, encyclopedia? no… …pamphlet of racing knowledge
i heard that eric zabel actually moves people out of his way with his front wheel. now that’s pro as shit.
anything more about owasco?
Moving up a field safely and well is a critical skill for any racer. Learn it, do it well, keep yur position, be in place to win the race!
blocking = sorta kinda controversial, fairly subtle move
moving up the pack = necessary, smart, not controversial unless you swipe people off road in process.
You all need to check out the Guardian’s photos of the TMobile rider hitting the dog today – get the link from the end of the Velonews ‘live’ text covg today. Amazing series.
no spoilers, chris.
But I don’t think Ken Harris is the guy to ask about moving around in a pack. Ken is super skilled at training, and is very strong and agressive in races. But for advice on technical aspects of cycling, I’d look to people who do well w/o such impressive horsepower or people who specialize in technical coaching like Craig Cook or Dave Jordan or someone like that. I’d also say that “sprinter types” are better for the moving up in the pack thing than long-range attackers like Ken Harris.
Looks like the post was actually removed, I suppose by the Velonews editors since it encouraged readers to link to another news source. Go to Guardian.co.uk and search for it… Btw, it had no bearing on the stage results at all…
I thought Ken’s input about blocking was useful and assumed he may have similar advice on moving up through the pack.
that’s a question for a better racer that me.
You really think Ken is going to respond to an anon question here and expose himself to needless criticism over a matter of opinion? I doubt it. Send him a personal email, or just ask him on Sat in CP. Btw, the answer from any rider will be its just fine to move up as fast as you please, just as long as you dont swerve around like a madman and move in such a way that you could cause problems. Just do it smart and smooth, and its all good my friend! Thats common sense though, isnt it? I think so anyway…
Signed, your local non-expert 3 year racing vet with a penchant for long posts, Chris M
Moving up through the pack
Is there any rule of thumb about moving up through the pack when spaces form?
(ie. how “aggressive” – for lack of a better word – should you be when trying to move up through the pack rather than moving up the outside?)
Thanks 145, is this information posted somewhere?
Really ride
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/tech/?id=/tech/2007/features/tour_tech_607
that cyclingnews photo of bunde is bad ass.
Blocking is a useful team tactic when done correctly. Those being blocked are unaware it
for the matching team kits, DUH
Grant Mandsager you were DQ’d yes.
So? Jammet? How did you do?
‘Good times’ you say?
Good placings too?
yes, anon hater, my fat ass did as well as it was going to do in that race, and i had a great time in the process. or did you forget how to have fun in this sport?
Zing! I forgot to have fun! You got me!
BTW, the rule I was taught is it’s polite to let as many chase as are up the road, ie, if you have a guy and three others up the road, sit fifth wheel and the the first four rotate freely. Any farther up is grounds for the accusation of aggressive blocking, which ultimately just hurts your team’s chances the next time…
Where can I find the results for Saturday’s PP race? I was in the back group who SLOWED and moved over when told that the 1/2/3s were coming through, and then killed myself (along with a few Kissena guys) on the downhill with 1 to go to pull a large group back to the front group for the finish — I was the guy yelling for others to keep pushing after I pulled off. Since I finished with the front group (with the crash), will I be DQed? I had to leave right after the race, so I didn’t protest, but want to know.
Sorry about your fall but as the last guy said, crashes are part of sprints (regardless of category). Just watch the Tour. Also, sometimes the guys who go down contribute to the fall by over reacting etc. Next time pick a better line and stay safe. If your out of the sprint sit up. Mostly falls occur between the guys battling for 10-20th spot.
got the idea for the CSC wristbands. Pretty funny stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y
..ah, cash cab -is cORRECt!
CSC wristbands or not are a bunch of dopers.
Sorry to hear about the crash, but field sprints are inherently dangerous and the lesser the category, the lesser the experience, the greater the danger. If you choose to mix it up in the field sprint, you can expect the occasional mishaps. Hope you recover quickly and try and follow the wheels of the reliable riders you observe during the race.
the hardmen of the tour:
http://www.velonews.com/tour2007/details/articles/12785.0.html
If riders can’t handle the hectic nature of a field sprint they really should back off.
That rider that took me out cost me a cracked Helmet,Front Wheel, and severe scarring. This really must stop. I was in so much pain I didn’t sleep last night, literally.
I just saw an Empire guy on the Cash Cab T.V. show.
Craig Goodstein had a breakout race and went 8th overall on GC at Owasco in the 4’s.
Very nice. Its about time.
I dunno if anyone posted this yet, if they did please pardon the repetition.
Empire’s Chris Shaw took 5th in the preposterously hard Cat 3 road race at Owasco this weekend.
Go Shaw.
http://www.usacycling.org/results/index.php?permit=2007-751
some weeks we go out of town, others we don’t. this past weekend we won, and the race before that we didn’t.
whoever wrote that we got strong chasing other teams was right… and from my pov that first time we actually won the team cup was the best, because we did not have the most, or the most elite, riders.
several of the other women’s teams are as big as we are now, and we are glad about that. they have younger riders with a lot of talent but not so much experience yet. also exciting.
we attacked a lot on saturday because we wanted to try to get someone away, but it didn’t work out, and the race ended in a field sprint.
that’s bike racing, and any one of us can take something away from any race.
next time if you don’t like what someone is doing on the front (btw she might have been expecting a bridge attempt…)figure out a way to deal with it.
the anonymous bitching is pretty deflating.
Men’s 5 Mile Final
1 Jared Bundle (USA) GS Mingoni
2 Ryan Oelkers (USA) PA Lightning
3 Gustavo Artacho (Arg) Colavita Sutter
4 Mike Beers (USA) Rite-Aid
5 Alejandro Acton (Arg) Colavita Sutter
6 Jackie Simes (USA) PA Lightning
7 Jason Snow (USA) Cycle Science
8 Shane Kline (USA) Salamander Racing
9 Marc Prutton (NZl) Pegasus
10 Chris Stern (USA) Liberty Cycle
11 Simon VanVelthooven (NZl) New Zealand
12 Barry Miller (USA) Mike Frayssesport.com
13 Ray Ignosh (USA) Gotham Cycling
14 Keith Thorarinson (Can) Independent
Those guys behind Bunde look like they might actually BE pros.
For pics of Bunde:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/track.php?id=/photos/2007/jul07/oniumnationals07/070713-Velo-Omnium-018
Shirts and skins.
That’s hot.
Stagg got out and is currently lamming it. Don’t even try to send a “chase group.”
margarite ends in a vowel
back in the day. A lot of it. Pro with Saturn. Pan Am Games. Etc.
Look it up.
Molly end in a “y.” Is that a vowel?
Shirts and Skins.
Why is it that when there is real racing (i.e., out of town, actual competition, hard courses), it is mainly riders like Quintero and Madera – folks with vowels at the end of their names – who actually do things like ‘win’? Unless Harris or Loehner, to give two examples, are actually named Ken Antonio Harris Ramirez or Dr. John Augusto Loehner Rodriguez (but see comments in Schmaltz’ Tour blog today about what long names may conceal), Empire is mostly, but not only, a front for a bunch of dis-em-voweled white boys playing at pro-cycling. Not that there is anything wrong with that . . .
Idiot, I said park races are boring and never said I race them alot. I do think there boring and thats why I race many regional RRs and Crits and only do PP or CP when there is nothing else to race. This conversation is boring…
Big fish, small pond. who the hell cares?
“That makes for an unfair race,”
Who cares? If it bothers you, do a different race. Or take 4th place behind Empire as a victory.
The point of CRCA is to develop riders at all levels of ability and to have fun, and if Empire thinks they want/need to have a team of X riders, I don’t see why some whiners here should feel the need to do anything about it.
there will always be a big dominate team. Comedy got strong by trying very hard to beat the last dominate women’s team. Get it? Race harder, get stronger.
if you all think park races are so boring, then stop being pack filler and go to the front…trying attacking or covering moves, and see how boring it is then…
You guys are missing my point. I don’t care if there are strong riders, and a team that is better than mine. I do have a problem with one team having all the best riders AND the most riders in the race. That makes for an unfair race, that is not a lot of fun. Why do you people not get that? Its the same reason the whole US hates the Yankees.
Hard to get more talented, but it’s not hard to get more motivated. Most teams can field a lot of riders, it’s not Empire’s fault that they don’t show.
I have been member of the CRCA for about 4 years now . The experience I had with the club so far have been very good. I started off as a beginner while as a member of the club I gained racing experience, got free coaching, and met a lot good people. I would and do recommend the club for anyone who wants to start or try racing. But, bike racing is big commitment and some people just realize they don
I care about accuracy.
I hear most CRCA teams have budgets over $1MM/yr now. I also heard that Empire has its own jet.
How about budget limits?
Why park races are boring to me…
They are the same faces and course. Same tired complaints and tactics. Same idiot joggers and Trigeeks. Same roads, same places to attack and same places to launch your sprint. No suprises, and no skill involved on the turns. This is just my opinion so dont take it to serious, I just feel that racing PP and CP gets old just like doing 9W ever week for training or Gimbels. Most people who enjoy challenges and new experience dread monotony and routine. I hope that helps with your understanding of why Park races are boring. By the way, why do you care? Do you run the park races?
Empire may be a better team tactically but they also have many of the strongest riders in the club. If we changed the CRCA into the proposed Cycling Peoples Republic of Central Park (PRCPC) and banned freely selected teams in favor of centrally-planned teams, the same guys would be winning, just in different jerseys. The real solution is to “eliminate” the good riders until only the mediocre ones are left – then they could win. If you suck, you suck regardless of your jersey.
it’s that deep, rich musk that only Sasquatch brings to the table
Axe’s new deodorant: Sasquatch Crotch
Ken may not be much of a Constitutional Scholar, but he is great Biblical Scholar. Ken tell everyone your views on the “Sermon on the Mount”. Great Stuff. BTW, Coach L is a lunatic
…my bad
There is so much hate on this site, it’s just sickening.
“Why do guys in their late 30
Hey city dwellers,
Just wanted to check in from out here at Superweek. A couple of my A level riders are cutting their teeth on some P 1/2 races after earning their upgrades earlier this year. For guys at that service level, I attend races (providing they pay my hotel) where I can be of help.
Its been a while since I’ve been here, but this is bigtime racing. I’m not trying to say that Prospect Park is better than Central Park or that Park Ridge is better than Prospect Park, but these races are among the best there are. The level of competition is soooo high and the crowds are great. Heck, I saw a $250 prime yesterday! Now I know that hardly gets you a night at the Roxbury back in New York, but that’s real dough in the Midwest. But the point is along the lines of todays discussion topic about cornering skill. My guys have consistently been telling me that they are getting better by the corner – granted part of this comes from going into (and coming out of) corners with top level riders from around the country and world, but the experience is really valuable.
If any of you happen to have a few days of vacation and the itch to bump skins with some real racers, come on out – I’d love to see some CRCA guys out here. Who knows? We may even have a chance to talk business.
Best of luck to everyone with your futures,
Coach L
good times. painful hills in the road race, crazy weather, great scenery. the crit was interesting as well, with a sharper than 90 degree turn only a few hundred feet from the finish.
crazy epic. the rain was coming hard making it nearly 0 visibility on the 40+ mph descents in the rain. course is super hard too. in the cat 3 field, a group of 18 came to the finish together. good local showing, with wolfe, me and few westwoods.
is unlimited, but the number of starting riders is, and will most likely go down again next year. The BoD sees this as a concern, trust me. And membership is fine.
I’ve found the CRCA sub-team culture to be very unfriendly when you race like an idiot. Just as in all of bike racing. If you’re looking to boost your self esteem, don the mankini and go for your personal best…
Racing in the park is like so totally boring, like on Saturday it was like so lame, like some guy on like some team, who like won like other races like totallly won this race again. OMG is like so totally unfair! DADDY!!!!
Are cool
Umm…..yeah.
What does that have to do with the claim that park races are boring?
The Harlem Crit is not nasty — it’s a straightforward course with easy corners.
Naugatuck is a little harder, in the rain esp. And yeah, Williams is technical.
The crca sub-team culture it not a friendly environment .
Why do guys in their late 30
Park racing I agree is fun but not good for handling skills as the courses are always swooping wide turns. Take people who only do PP and CP on a nasty Crit and they are hopeless and off the back (Williams Crit, Harlem, Naugatuck etc). As for not understanding getting bored with Park racing, if its all you got then ok, but to do a CP race over a hilly RR or a technical crit you are missing out on new challenges and courses. Do runners run the same loop everyday? Do you we train on the same loop every day? Why race the same lame course every week?
chris m….are you on the same side of an argument as JT?
The teams winning are better. Thats what bothers you. If you want to win then get in the break with a member of a strong team and then you will have that team and yours working for a common goal.
So, whats the time limitation for a ‘good team’ to last before they have their collective heads chopped? 3 weeks of wins and they MUST GO lest we all scram and stop racing out of pure fear of their domination and utter boredom at the fast and tough races? Um, I dont think so my friend. Name one A racer who has quit racing CP due to Empire, and Ill name you a racer that was ‘done’ for 5 other reasons…
It’s really important to the development of a rider to ride a wide variety of events and courses. Get out of the parks from time to time to learn and see new stuff.
That said, the comment about being bored in park racing doesn’t make sense to me. Do people get bored playing tennis since the courts are pretty much all the same. What about hockey?
It’s the interaction of riders that make races interesting.
It’s not that the teams are better. it’s that they are 3 times the size of the other teams that bothers people.
There is racing in Prospect next Saturday. And also, for travellers, crit racing in New Jersey both Saturday and Sunday.
If you dont like Empire and other strong teams dominating CP then do other regional races where there are different teams, tactics and courses. Dont you all get bored racing CP anyway regardless of the outcome. Should have been doing Owasco if you wanted a real race. Next week the same people will complain instead of doing Poughkeepsie and Unionvale.
In case you haven’t noticed, a big part of bike riding (for many people) is riding with people you are friends with and have a similar fitness level. But I guess it is a better solution to have everyone introducing themselves to their “teammates” at the line and ride together with great “teamwork” for the race. Did you like it in middle school when teachers randomly assigned groups for a project?
Do you think the same guys from Empire wouldn’t get good results if they were spread out over different teams? Also, Empire’s run of success should be discouraging, at most, a very small set of A riders which shouldn’t affect the overall club health much. Plus they should be motivating everyone else.
Ken Harris = Not a Constitutional Scholar
i really dont like to block because that means i missed the break, and even if my guys are up the road if another team can bring them back i will need every bit of energy i have to counter. positive blocking often takes more energy than rolling the break because you still have to jump with counters
I want to be on the good team. Pick me. Of course, that would mean I’d have to move to Massachusetts.
You don’t see a problem with the same teams dominating week after week? This is why the NFL went to the salary cap. So there would be a level playing field, and all teams would have a chance to field a winner. Having the same teams winning week after week makes people not want to do it. I guess having the CRCA membership decrease is a good thing in your eyes.
I haven’t figured out how jerseys will work in the “dodgeball picks” system.
Maybe just blue and gold for everyone. Or does anyone have a better idea?
Setting a false tempo or sitting second wheel and not assisting in a chase of your own teammate is not illegal or bad etiquette and if not done by a team is simply lame as there teammate is off the front killing his or herself. Once the break is caught the same team doing a false tempo ussually will counter. Those who do not know this and think its illegal (not the same as actively blocking the front with a whole team) is new to racing and needs to get more experience before complaining. This is how good teams always seem to end up in breaks because the team backs the rider in the break. Also – to the guy who says Colavita is not a pro team, try doing a race they enter (Tour of Georgia, Cali, Philly week) and then let us know if you still think they are not a pro team. Maybe not Discovery but those guys are legit.
If I didn’t have such a man crush on him, I would point out to KH that sarcasm doesn’t come across so well on this site.
Irony on the other hand…
First 10 guys to signup race morning are “captains”. They get to pick riders for their team just like we picked sides for dodgeball. So not only are the teams leveled out, but teams change each week.
Sounds fair to me.
REALLY? Pro’s don’t do it?! So in the GMSR crit a couple of years ago, when Mark McCormack was off the front for the whole race and his Colavita teammate was sitting second wheel… what was that?
it’s lame. like the fact that you refer to colavita as a pro team
You need to train more and post less, Captain Ed.
The pace wasn’t that bad.
You’re joking right?
Ryan Dewald beat Bobby Lea
that park ridge story was written by a no cyclist…bobby lea does not run track…he rides it
ok then…how about 9 rations of rice?
Agreed. It’s all I can do to keep up with you young guns. And you’re right, the pace wasn’t that bad. Come back when you’re 50-something(maybe you are?)and we’ll see how you’re hangin’.
maybe you should downgrade, Captain Ed?
I’ve tried to block this idea of random assignment, but I will no longer ride second wheel… why should CRCA sit back and LET these evil doer sponsors unfairly create good teams when we could have mediocrity for all? Freedom of association is for losers and those who waste their time reading the constitution. Let the leveling begin!
is it such a bad idea for crca to randomly assign teams as people join?
it could even out talent across teams, promote more interest from cyclists that may otherwise not pursue joining a team which could increase the overall competitiveness of the races.
and yes, i think medicine should be socialized as well. oh yeah, and we should all be given one cow and 10 rations of rice each year.
get some perspective.
You want to bust up some teams to make club racing more competitive?
Club races are like scrimmages. Just ride. And if you don’t like what’s happening in them, either don’t do them or make your team bigger/stronger.
bust up the phone and steel monopolies as well
This aggression will not stand, man.
I’m swamped at work; but will try to get them up somewhere tonight. My guess in order would be usacycling.org, owascoveloclub.com/OSR2007.htm, and then BikeReg.com.
Thanks,
Alan
that is velocity nation
let’s be more clear then. it was an active paceline that was working to bring back the break and the cc lady kept jumping into the second wheel disrupting that chase. again, it may be ok technically but it’s lame.
“” Why were you hanging onto the 123 break for dear life if you were in the 4 field? The word “neutralize” mean anything to anyone anymore? “”
The 123 break was ahead of their car. The 4 field was not neutralized, some Cat4 guys were up the road (me included) we were never passed by a car. But were caught by the 123/4 mixup.
3 fields is probably the better solution to this.
They need to bust up Empire and CC into smaller teams. It will make the races better, and give others a chance to do well. Right now, those two teams wipe the floor with everyone else.
From my viewpoint, when the 1/2/3’s came by us, the 4’s failed to neutralize. The rules and etiquette are clear.If you get caught, pull to the right, slow down, stay behind the pace car.I’ve raced Prospect a number of times where the field did what they are supposed to do.Passing the pace car qualifies for a DQ. Simple.With that said, there was mass confusion with half the guys trying to keep up with the 1/2/3 field and the rest staying behind the pace car.And yes, I was in that front group until I couldn’t keep up and decided to call it a day. Next time I’ll stay behind the pace vehicle. The officials made the right call.
Pros DO block and this can be seen on VS too, but the diff is that a team of 4-8 guys working to bring a break back would be smoothly trading pulls on front, and anyone who tried to jump into that rotation would be told off, or shoved off, or pushed off. Different situation from a CP gaggle of like 15 women with no truly organized chase in motion. Besides, one woman on front cant be interfering unless she is holding her hands out both sides and not letting people pass – its a wide road.
Yeah, welcome to racing. One rider blocking is not a major obstruction that cant be overcome. Empire did a nice blocking job at one point in the A race, btw, but nothing that isnt normal and expected of a team-mate for the breaker. If they didnt have a man or two on or near the front with a guy up the road they wouldnt be doing their job. No-one complained. Its CP – really tough to make breaks stick and teams need to use all the tools to make it happen, short of being totally rude and pushing into the middle of an active pace-line or something. Not pulling through doenst qualify as unacceptable.
Sitting on a chase group and refusing to pull through is not interfering.
Actively preventing chasers from pulling through, rotating through and then gapping off the riders behind you in the rotation, etcetera…THAT’S interfering
if you aren’t going to take a pull then you shouldn’t interfere with the people that are (it’s lame!)…i don’t have to race with pros to know how pros race (it’s called VS, maybe you’ve heard of it?)
You race with pros? And while it may be annoying to you once you realize that is what is going on there should be no delay in going around her to keep the chase going. There is no reason for someone to take a pull if they have a teamamte in a break and they want the break to stay away.
CAT FIGHT!
and pro’s don’t do it
I think you’re just making my point
should also be extra careful about race tactics. it’s fine to soft pedal as teammates break to let them get away but actively interfering in a chase is not cool. (one of them sat 2nd wheel on the chase but never pulled through which caused the chasers to constantly have to pull around her.
owasco results not on bike reg.
where can we get them?
Nope. After the 2nd preme the 123 break caught us and strung out the entire field for two laps.
The other group had lost contact during that time.
I know because I hung onto the back for dear life.
That second group cam in several minutes after the front group.
The crash was in the front group.
If you didn’t see/hear the crash at the end, you were in the second group.
they do a lot to promote women’s racing and encourage a lot of women to come out but sometime thei racing tactics are questionable. it’s clear that they have a lot of great women and are passionate about racing but they should also be extra careful about race tactics. it’s fine to soft pedal as teammates break to let them get away but actively interfering in a chase is not cool. (one of them sat 2nd wheel on the chase but never pulled through which caused the chasers to constantly have to pull around her.
he should run fewer fields.
It’s great he runs races, but there are almost always problems with fields mixing/pace cars etc in his Prospect races.
Charlie I/KCC is doing it much better.
where are Owasco results?
I meant the 4’s who were not dq’d were the dropped riders.
Awesome road race. Pouring rain for first 40 minutes. Guys dragging their feet to slow down on one descent. Hardest RR I’ve done. Harder than GMSR. Chris Shaw got 5th in the RR. Dan Hoffman also did well. Not sure about GC.
the prospect 4’s that were dq were the dropped riders who wmissed the split when the pace of the race pickled up.
Screw Avon and his races.
This never happens with Charlie’s.
Great thing about that race is that there were few feilds but longer races and more in each feild. Made for better racing and for the 4/5 the 5s for the most part were dropped and lapped so the racing felt pretty safe. The NYC teams need to put this on there calender next year. Its a great race!
empire was at park ridge, jack ass
The 1/2/3 was ahead of their pace car.
The 1/2/3 pace wasn’t able to pass the 4 field, so I think the pace cars were switched.
Effectively putting most of the 4 field ahead of their new car. In the confussion most of us were dq’d.
Greg Avon should do exactly what Charlie Issendorf does and run 3 fields in PP. That is all the room the park has for a safe, clean race.
jackass is one word, jackass
I heard the entire lead pack in the Prospect 4 race got DQ’d. Any info.
Stop the Empire/Comedy moaning. People who quit when faced with a challenge don’t amount to anything anyways.
what a great race, with a surprise $200 mid-race prime announced on the start line for the 1/2/3 to boot. empire missed a good one… Jeremy Powers and Adam Meyerson are out spending your money right now.
Who won the 3/4 and Pro1-3?
Great race and love the finishing strecth threw town with bleecher seating. Nice little hill on the back stretch as well. Cant wait for next year.
i think if the pace vehicle is close enough to draft, you shouldn’t be penalized.
how come the comedy central team doesn’t get flak for dominating lowly park races like empire. their domination actually discourages other women riders.
Flagrant, prolonged drafting of the pace vehicle during his “break”, witnessed by all of the breakaway.
is this written by the guy on kissena?
http://northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk1OTQmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcxNjk1MjQmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk3
anything?
That was the woman’s name who was always screaming at us, encouraging us to catch the breakaway and ride like hell? As eccentric as she seemed, there was no doubting her passion for the sport–a very good thing. Any information on her passing would be of interest. The races won’t be quite the same without her there. Sad indeed.
was a fun crit. the masters race was a win and out, which basically became a series of small breakaways that would sprint for places. It made for really agressive racing, I think the field was destroyed toward the end. I did the first half of the P123 race but when the race was stopped halfway through for lightning, I decided to head home, the race seemed pretty fast, so I was somewhat toasted
seems like the better bang for your buck in terms of racing. You could race two events and get at least 50 miles of high quality racing on a blast of a course. Seems better then getting pulled after 3 miles of racing in NJ.
Arjan Planting, not Ben Showman. Both fast, but only Arjan’s Dutch.
Burgos, I believe
Khary Ward, the junior, had a great race in the Propect 4’s until a crash took him out out in the field sprint.
Hope he’s doing OK.
I would guess the Rite Aid guy at Park Ridge was thin Mike Norton
But I’m often wrong on guesses
Stephen Badger and Andrew Riss seemed to do well in the 35+. Then I think Badger got in the money a second time in the p-1-2-3. Tony Taylor too, maybe after being in masters. And Robert Lattanzi was 5th in the p-1-2-3.
This is a good race.