sweet

always shout out lewis and filip, but never connor.

really good to see the great result by PL after his crash trouble earlier this season, good job man

Prinsloo’s weekend was very impressive. 5th at Balloon in stifling heat, then back with a 3rd overall the next day in the TT. And he was a Cat 5 two years ago, right?

http://www.farmteamcycling.org/08BalloonResults.pdf

She’s been top twelve at elite nationals in the TT

Peter Salon takes 4th in TT on aero front/standard rear wheel and 3rd in High Bridge 1-2. Really nice results by Prinsloo, new TT guy on the scene. Scott Willingham and Rashad both had nice rides in the TT, among many others. Will O is so freakin impressive with that position. Where do you get levi like extensions that make the big sweep up before leveling out? Ballon Festival was HOT. Thank God for neutral water support. Can’t imagine doing 4 laps on that course, I only lasted 2. Nice result by Alden and Ralf in the 30/40 race. Dan Z on the road to recovery at the tt with a good time even though he is still injured and not training as much lately – thanks for the loan of the wheels. Jamie N still as fast as always. No beating DNA. Thanks to any official/promoter who worked this weekend. What a bitch in the heat.

That blow hard sniping about Will’s position is very quiet now… Probably lost by about 4 minutes at FBF.

Will wins cause he’s the only dude with an actually Aero tt position. Go figure. All you other guys look like you’re riding hybrids out there.

This Will O’Dowell guy sounds super fast. I just ran his time on one of those on-line wattage calculators and it said that he averaged about 845W for his TT. I don’t race, but when I go hard on my tri-bike I usually lap CP in a little over 17 min. and average 815W on my ergomo. Where do you think that would place me in the Fred Bennett Field TT? I would think top-3, but I’m not sure.

will o’donnell is my hero! go will go!

yawn. click click. yawn. this argument is so much fun, I might actually work today.

You could’ve run any position you wanted on Sunday, how did you do at FBF?

change his position, we didn’t vilify him. Oh, and he’s still a really fast TT’er.

TT on road bikes. My money is on Dr Will by over a minute.

Oooooo. How exciting. Elicit late night time trails on road bikes. It is like Over The Top all over again (with Lycra, smaller arms, and no snakes, at least not yet). Maybe the preview event could be a dog fight?

read Mark’s awesome race report. Maybe you all will stop whining

https://www.nyvelocity.com/article.aspx?ID=2283&CID=53

It was great by the way. I love the end story. How does is correlate to the topic at hand?

the topic at hand is racing over the weekend. this includes more than the time trial, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

because he was a doper

In the Floyd TT results, how come Ken Harris only has his time listed as ‘Cannibal’?
There are pics of him riding both bikes.
Did he flat on his TT bike? DNF?
He looks super aero and fast.

Dude, you should just use the ladies ‘loo at Floyd. Its really nice – flowers and good thick Charmin TP!

Honestly, I think we could all sign on for a class action suit against NYC or whovever over the condition of that public toilet. That bathroom is unfit for human presence of any kind. NASTY. I gag every time I go in that place.

I’m telling Charlie I.
That’s a no-no.
One and two both.

WOW what a story that RedRose Races Fiasco is. Truly sad.

too bad. TDC was a great late summer event. breakfast at the waffle house, the rr and tt courses were a blast, and culminating with the crit and all of the plain folk looking on from their lawns.

That Butterworth guy is the same one who was messing with Wiswell at some track races this winter

The CRCA homepage thanks all the folks that made the TT happen, except Mike Green. Great job with the timing and posting of results!

but his wife’s great.

He wrote the article on the TT, so he wasn’t about to thank himself. Wendy, Alan, Doug VB and Jon S all deserve extra credit as they were out in the hot sun with no cover for more than 3.5 hours. Even under the tent it was hot, so in the usn it must have been killer.

is best bike, no?

These are the races put on by Butterworth.
http://www.proamcycling.com/events.htm

I sent him and email and he pointed me to this web site. http://talkback.lancasteronline.com/index.php?showtopic=71733 .
There are are always two sides to every story.

What is obvious is that these two guys should never have gone into business together. They have very different management styles that are incompatible.
They both see things differently.

this promoter feud is a must read – very interesting on many levels for riders to understand and think about.

To anyone, really – How does avoiding a race based on hearsay about the promoter benefit anyone? You lose fitness, and the races disappear. I don’t see the logic here.

..and now for the redux insult-throwing heavy punch argument…

I used to promote some races, and found that no matter how good the course or payout was, or how quickly and accurately the results were posted, people were complaining. They just complained louder when we stopped promoting the races (after getting tired of all the complaints) because there was nobody to complain to anymore.

So, if spreading the word to avoid races based on what you have heard through the grapevine about a particular promoter makes you feel good, but results in less racing for everyone, then everyone loses.

Not looking for a fight with my friend JFT here, just pointing out that the *avoid* comment doesn’t make sense if we all want more, not less racing in this area.

awesome. you can do the tour de cure, or the aids ride, or the 5 boroughs and consider it race too….just doesn’t really make it so.

You telling me Tour de Gimbels is not a race? I killed myself powering the break Sunday and for what? I was wondering why there were no officials a the Mamaroneck Town line finish…. At least now I know.

and bike races

There was no break Sunday. You’re twice the loser..

Had a break of 4 that went from the split and dropped the bigger break of about 15. Stayed away until the end. Thats a fact jack!

Are there any results posted for the ESG qualifier?

Ken isnt eating miles like cannibal, but like the fixed gear; did he race twice?

that results from Will is nothing short of outstanding. Amazing performance! Makes you wonder what he couldhave done on the old CP 2 lap TT course.

Others that caught my eye were Christofel in 3rd, Jamie Nicholson-leener’s one and Patrick Littlefield. All big results for one reason or another.

I was third… don’t knock me off that podium…

No shouts below the top three unless the field is more than 25-30 riders – did you know I had rules?

Change made

Great Race by Andrew B of BVF probably the most improved Cat 3 from last year. Also, James Morrison wins again (dude you need to start punishing the 2s) and Freifelder wins Cat 3 Highbridge (” “). Great job~!

is old scott clip on bar

Really appreciate the kind words. Thanks for noticing.

Register for Harlem!!! Need 20 by Wednesday’s close of pre-reg.

Thanks,
Alan

comment below not very funny at all.

.. his position is still illegal, that’s why he’s not going to nationals, because he would show up, race like he normally would (except WITH a UCI legal position this time), then BLOW SOME ASS, and wouldn’t break top 15, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE POSITION.

he’s said it himself! no nationals!

no race counts unless… it’s nationals, sorry.

well then I might as well give up. NYVelocity can shut down, and we can all pick a new hobby. How many of us are going to place at nationals? I am pretty happy with the placings I’ve gotten in these local events. It’s a shame none of them count. Thanks for putting into perspective for me. Anyone wanna buy some gear?

but I saw the position, and it looks pretty close to legal to me. My guess is if he had to change it at all, the changes would be minimal and he’d still be super fast. Much more so than all of you whiners.

or we’d have to put up with this every monday morning. it amazing that there are longer threads about Will O’s awesomeness/not awesomeness in a local TT than any other topic. He’s good at generating buzz, maybe Mr. Ball should look into drafting a new TT specialist.

Break out the pain train….rock racing is bringing 7 guys.

No racing tonight due to the excessive heat. See you Wednesday.

It was an amazing ride. Seriously impressive. Thanks for coming out and giving us all something to shoot for.

How does is correlate to the topic at hand?

It correlates to the topic at hand because while people beat the Will TT topic to death, there are other interesting things going on.

Nice ride Will. Serious horsepower as the result of hard work and great preparation. Not everyone is a hater but those are probably the only things you hear. You have lots of fans too. I love the helmet cams.

When you guys are done whining, read this (I think I remember Wiswell’s journal talking about Butterworth as an operator):

http://www.redroseraces.com

I just read this on their site this morning. Truly sad. That promoter was growing a really fantastic cycling machine until this happened. NYVC should do a hard hitting expose on this Butterworth character and throw some light on the plight of Rich Rouff!

http://www.redroseraces.com/index.php?option=com_races&Itemid=42

No Tour of Christiana!! That race was growing like wildfire. I could also see the Ephrata race taking on a new life of being our own local Paris-nice like stage race in the early season. So much potential.

http://www.redroseraces.com/index.php?option=com_races&Itemid=42

I used an illegal position in the bathroom at Floyd.

That’s the only way to get out of that place without a disease.

Joe Papp upper decked that FLoyd loo back in ’96

throw in the heat…and that john must’ve been unbearable. Thank god I got one with nature. #1 that is.

Ken H flatted at FBF

David Taylor won it.

http://trimbleracing.com/race-reports/tour-of-highbridge-1st-place/

many positions that should be illegal on MILF Hunter

Dr. Wind O’Tunnel

Butterworth was messing around with Wiswell? Eeeeew. Gross.

any guesses on the amount of money made by cervelo through crca members?

They pay Dr. O!

Why is it that when JFT posts ‘avoid’ my first response is to register?

Because if you read a little more you’d understand why you shouldnt register.
Butterworth reads like a classic greedy a-hole. Its too bad that this person doesnt understand how many great things he’s crappin on. shame on the butterworth’s for being a black eye on regional cycling.
There may be two sides to this story but the bottom line is that the road racing series events including two fantastic stage races are no longer happening and that sucks.

just read the lancaster link Alex.
Butterworth is getting ripped a new one. He really stomped out a solid money making cycling machine for the lancaster region. It will assuredly make news there – if it hasnt already.

In the long-run, it’s better for the sport to support promoters and clubs who treat each other right. If that hurts you in the short run, and that’s important to you, go to his races.

A acquaintance of mine in Lancaster County points out that participants in his races frequently get screwed in other ways, but that’s heresay too, so you can ignore that warning as well.

Cranky, I gotta go with the jay-eff-tee on this one. you might be standin in the poo pile here.

Those races have been going on for like 100 years. No reg fee, and no waiting for results. Sweet! Profits zero and they keep on puttin on the race?

um, i think he was kidding pal. there is no Tour de Spoon etc.

if your’re doin gimbels this time of year, with all the racing going on elsewhere, you’re sandbaggin. line up in yonkers in Jan./Feb/early Mar. and then talk about the mammaroneck sign that’ll you’ll roll up on while others are scarfin down drinks at the deli further up the road.
hehehe

I’ll do my racing in that area through Rouff and Rouff only. Pro-AM sucks. Christiana was well run – so was Ephrata. The big losers in all of this other than the racers – the hotels that filled up to gills, and the amish community that loved the races when it came to town. The town had lots of satallite events that went on during the race wkend that basically revolved around alot of the farms that surrounded the many hotels where rider spent time – sometimes with families. lots of amish woodworking trades that did good business. So one guy brings all of that to a halt – it stinks.

Sure Cranky, if you want to argue from the general go ahead. But I’m being specific – bike racing in Lancaster County would be better off (at least as many races, of higher quality) within a few years if this guy’s races collapsed now, with no one going to them. Yes, that makes me feel good.

Now I’m not looking for a fight with my friend CRANKY here, just pointing out that he seems to think that protecting events even if they are crap, or that are run by a guy who killed the calendar in Penna this season, then emptied many of those spots on the calendar, is important. That doesn’t make sense to me. I sure don’t want that.