The Empire State Games Qualifier was run and the those with qualifications were qualified. And they will get spiffy track suits.
TT fever swept through the region, with Zmolik winning the overall at FBF, and meanwhile in New Jersey Westwood Velos Gisler, Goldman, and O’Donnell tore it up in NJ, while Alvaro Arnal won the out of state category.
Anthony Accardi takes 3rd for out of state men in NJ, after racing Floyd in the morning. (Expletive deleted) Prinsloo takes 3rd in NJ 35+.
And in other news, Michael J. Fox won the Giro! Talk about an inspiring story. The cost of optioning Lance’s story just went down.
Men
1. Amauris Perez (GS Mengoni)
2. Horrace Burrowes (WS United)
3. Haig Marino (Wonder Wheel)
4. Carl Roberts
5. Eutimo Quintero (CRCA/Metro)
6. Anthony Lowe (CRCA/Think Racing)
7. Reed Albergugh
8. Glenroy Griffith (WS United)
9. Somraj Seeseer (Champion System)
10. Robert Makfusky
Women
1. Sarah Sauvayre (CRCA/Comedy Central)
2. Martha Bush
3. Cecilia Pleva
4. Beth Renaud (CRCA/Comedy Central)
5. Katherine Rucker
FBF TT results are <a href=”http://www.brooklynveloforce.org/timetrial/2007ittresults.html” target=”blank”>here</a>.
Given the shenaigans now being revealed in the US Justice Department that relate to elections, I don’t see how anyone can not believe that there is at least the possiblity there was illegal activity by the Republican Party in Florida in the Bush/Gore election.
and on a ligher note:
http://www.bikereg.com/Results/2007/05/30-Ricola-Twilight-Grand-Prix.asp
Ricola Twilight Grand Prix
Basking Ridge, NJ
Wednesday, May 30, 2007
1. Kristian House – Navigators
2. Stephan Kincaid – Rite Aid
3. Ben Brooks – Navigators
4. Alejandro Acton – Colavita-Sutter Home
5. Keith Norris – AEG Toshiba
6. Michael Cody – Jelly Belly
7. Johnny Sundt – Kelly Strategies
8. Tom Saluday – Kelly Strategies
9. John Loehner – CRCA/Empire
10. Tyler Wren – Colavita-Sutter Home
11. Emile Abraham – Priority Health/Bissell
12. Kyle Wamsley – Navigators
13. Luca Damiani – Colavita-Sutter Home
14. Tiago DiPaula – Time Factory Development Team
15. Oleg Grishkin – Navigators
16. Ciaran Power – Navigators
17. David Guttenplan – CRCA/Sakonnet Tech
18. Dave Fuentes – Battley Harley Davidson
19. Gui Nelessen – Van Dessel
20. Alejandro Borrajo – Rite Aid
21. Eneas Freyre – Target Training
22. Gavriel Epstein – CRCA
23. John Durso – Libery Cycle/Basecamp
24. Russ Langley – Battley – Harley Davidson
25. Guy East – CRCA
Ken, what’s the advantage of a 60×17 over a 53×15?
What was your power Ken?
What’s the frequency, Ken?
Never ask the club president to reveal his weight or his power numbers. Both were less than last year.
Eugene – you just came out as a REM dork. Wait, so did I.
I don’t like REM very much. But Dan Rather, on the other hand…
Did you vote for Bush? If so, thanks a lot.
PS the thanks are sarcastic
My power was practically identical for the two rides, so the 77 secs in pretty much what the aero stuff gets you in 25 mins. The fixed has the edge in mechanical efficiency, but that +-2% was likely lost to the worsening wind for the later start. The gear was 60×17. Riding a fixed is easier: no distractions, just the imperative of keeping the gear turning.
“Is the Florida Secretary of State’s office checking the TT results. Should the people who won be worried?”
If Al Gore flies in with his posse to mess with the legal, official results, then yes, they should be worried.
or we could just write in how fast we think we could do the course and determine the winner that way.
Silvermine TT is going to be hot.
why timing officials are mostly so full of shit. Learn from this people
Cannibal – what is this event. Sorry for being stupid.
it’s when they eat you alive on the message board.
Not that they are comparable, but it looks like based on average speed a 27 min. FBF TT is approximately equivalent to the 30 min. CP TT benchmark. Does anyone have power numbers from the two courses to see if the ratio pencels out. In leu of a real CP TT, we could have virtual CP TT’s using average speed from FBF. Actually, forget FBF, let’s do it all on computrainers!!!!
Are now posted at:
http://www.brooklynveloforce.org/timetrial/2007ittresults.html
– your data cruncher
ps – the split times made sense, only a few were missing in the end. We just had to figure out who “redshirt” “curly” and “folded” were.
Also funny to see how many people did a sixth lap.
Is the Florida Secretary of State’s office checking the TT results. Should the people who won be worried?
the official winner of a TT for 48 hours. Then I was 17th for a while and the next thing I was “DNF”.
The 60 x 16 is bigger than a 53 x 14 just as 11 is louder than 10. Just look at it, that 60 is huge!!
that those tt results are not coming out soon and that the split times just aren’t making any sense whatsoever. Must be all you guys who were standing around the timing officials asking them questions (see one of the posts) and now all the times are screwed up.
60 x 16 is equivalent, more or less, to 53 x 14.
60 X 16
That was an enlightening observation, Jbrown.
Any thing else?
tt results?
When is FBF putting one on. Or a Recumby race? Thats hot…
53 x 14 would not be enough
Actually, that seems like a pretty good estimate. 53X14 would put his average cadence at 94 assuming his average speed was around 28 mph for the course. Maybe a 54 or 55, but somewhere in that ballpark.
If he was running a 58 or bigger in front it was probably a 16 in back.
Boring ……. Lets talk about big Megoni and and flying zipps
53X14
1000 x 5
In the FBF TT…I’m in for a 58 x 14
In the Saturday race there were lapped riders who hopped back in. This happens to often in the NYC area. Riders shouldn’t do it.
If the race is under road race rules, lapped riders cannot ride in the field, even at the back.
On his track bike try 60-17
I’m going to guess 84 x 9
Last guess is wrong.. try again
Did not realize people were lapped. I figured if you were dropped in that race you just pulled out. I thought the race was alot of fun except for the crash in the end. To me this is just a long Bethel Course with a shorter hill.
Results should be up shortly on the BVF website with full lap time splits. We’re just waiting for a 2nd review of the times to make sure that everything is set.
I doubt anybody is reading this thread anymore, but…Shmalpz, you know spelling and Mihael are like oil and water, don’t take it personally. To the anonymous racer, I’m no stud, but compared to FBF and many of the city races, I found the FDR park race quite relaxing. I even found the flinging of the Zipp wheel entertaining. I’ve done every type of road race and find that whether it’s a 1k crit or 100 mile point to point, the fun part is what you and your team achieve during the race. The scenery for me is usually the back side of riders. And, yes, after 20 consecutive years of racing, I probably will race again next year, so I do care if the promoter takes my advice about lapped riders into consideration, even if it’s me being pulled out of the race.
Will be posted here:
http://www.brooklynveloforce.org/timetrial/2007ittresults.html
but the results are not available yet
It’s a cool little course with one sharp turn, some sweepers and a short stiff climb leading into a long finishing stretch. Often very bumpy (but I haven’t raced there in years).
Does anyone know where the results of the FBF TT are posted?
Was the Hudson Valley course really technical or something? I don’t think there were any crashes in the NYC race …
Not technical at all. There was one hairy turn with bad road conditions where the pack would bunch up but that was it. The falls were likely do to varying levels of fitness and skill going up the final hill. Lots of wheels rubbing I think and people getting pushed to the grass b/c they could not hold a straight line. I acutally enjoyed the course. It reminded me of a long Bethel course.
I guess your just a stud who loves to do 25plus laps around a boring course with lots of yelling, and the occasional crash. I think everyone on this site understands that crashes are part of racing as are a-holes in the race. Thats not to say that the ESGS were not fun compared to a long RR or even a more animated circuit race like Bethel or PP. Why do you care who races this next year anyway?
The world is my chat room! And how long have you known me? There’s no “t” in schmalz…
http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/photo;_ylt=AlG_sGrwKbQkXogVaj7PCyh.grcF?slug=c0f58257a7c24e36bd23a07e4ba6c4fb.tour_of_italy_cycling_mil125&prov=ap
Can you wear an earpiece (for music) in a TT? I know the rules give me the answer but I am too lazy to look it up.
http://ny.metro.us/metro/local/article/A_new_vision_for_Gateway_park/8863.html
http://www.npca.org/gateway/finalists.html
My congrats to Rick as well
Funny, I did not find the race fast, or particularly sketchy, especialy given the mixed categories. All categories including pros have crashes, it’s part of bike racing. Although lower cats crash more because of lack of skill then risk, and vise versa for the upper cats. I would however do away with allowing lapped riders being allowed to rejoin the field. That makes no sense.
How will you be fresh for FBF?
this is not your private chat room
Never heard of them, but I want the kit!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos.php?id=/photos/2007/jun07/cscinvitational07/JD_csc07_Bahati
“Fast and sketchy with falls and tempers flaring”
That’s not restricted to a given race. Dangerous roads, boring course, low prize money, etc– these are valid reasons to not return. But fast is bad? Falls and tempers? That can happen anywhere. Maybe you should stay away from the Hudson Valley region– makes more sense, based on your complaints.
Thanks, Tony, but I stank it up in two places. Anthony was a beast, though. Also, Ric Wolfe pulled the double as well.
Nice job to you too, Andy. 2 tts in one day is tremendous.
Did you read the whole post? Fast and sketchy with falls and tempers flaring? That is not fun. I love to race for fun. That is why I do it. This race was not fun.
http://www.velocitynation.com/slideshow.aspx?slid=1446&pid=34
“I will not do this race next year plus even if you get a top 20 with higher cats you get no points (I think)”
Maybe consider racing for the joy of racing. Just a suggestion. A teammmate of mine won this event a few years ago (when it was open to out-of-region riders) and we enjoyed it.
http://www.njbikeracing.com/calendar/calendar.pl?view=Event&event_id=44
nice job anthony!
The westchester race was fast and sketchy. Many dropped out and a few crashed. Tempers flared after the race over zipps. Its always hard to know who causes a fall because it happens fast and sometimes as you go down you see things as they did not happen and people gossip. I will not do this race next year plus even if you get a top 20 with higher cats you get no points (I think). Shitty race
cat3 should race… to an English teacher and a logician.
Racing too dangerous…stay home.
competent?
Where are the pics?
Were there 5s in the race?
The question is what have you done to better position yourself in the race….. whinning about guys passing you inside the mid field is a new low….considering that it wasn’t even a finishing sprint.
cat 4…eat me! The problem is you have everything to prove. I having won and place in many local regional races I have nothing to prove hence nothing to risk.
You in a race is a danger to everyone, me in a race means I wont push to hard to place 1th.
Cat’s 5 are not supposed to ride in fields great than 75?
1G6. Maximum Field. The maximum field for a field that includes category 5 men with other categories shall be 75.
JTF your crazy. at least 200 and cat 5’s are not suppose to ride in fields over 50.
I think that the race promoter should be fired!
Either get your shit together or allow someone who is organized/competition to run the race.
Cardboard boxes…yesh!
i was just riding on my own in PP when the ESGQ race was going on. looked to be a pretty fast race.
i also saw a rider pop out of the bushes and chase back into the group at the top of the hill. wonder what he was doing in there 😉
Will be posted late tonight after the fulls splits are crunched and the final times are verified.
somewhere over 100. 120ish. MAYBE 140. Very doubtful it was more than that
Im bad wih numbers, but it looked more like 200 plus
i must be really bad with numbers. i didn’t even think there were 100. does anyone have an official number?
The guy who caused the crash is a Cat 5 – a big problem with “open” fields.
I’m pretty sure a few people (including me) will be out for a few weeks with injuries beyond the usual bruising and road rash.
um, I don’t want to get flamed for being an aero nerd but, are they going to give us the results from the TT? Other than that, the race was well run.
It’s hard to get something to stick with 120 guys, no wind, mid-season in Prospect Park.
Or at least, it wasn’t the chase/chase/chase thing (which is pretty negative) but more like a lot of guys didn’t have the juice/committment to make a break stick. By my count, there was someone somewhat off the front for about half the race – Gabe Lloyd for a lap or two at the start, Eugene Bunde and Euri Madera for about 5 laps, Jared Bunde for about 5 laps, 4 guys including my teammate Kenny Hochman for just under a lap, and Thomas Pennell and two other guys near the end for a lap. I may have missed some of the action — that field was big.
Victor Chan was that you?
yeah, but how is your chicken dance?
Thanks to all who ran the TT yesterday, very well organized.
The guy who caused the crash probobly was the one blaming Wilson. Good thing noone was seriously hurt.
was a snooze fest nothing could stick super negative. Must have been the 4’s
and don’t know if he was a 4, but there was a guy in a yellow/gray/pukey Colnago outfite (top and bottom) who was scaring me at the NYCESGQ – always looking at his front wheel and kind of sketchy.
Then there was the guy in matching black top, shorts and booties that said something like “Calcyon” who was not in the race – or at least didnt’ have a number – but was sittting in. NOt right. I heard James Josepsh was also sitting in and not registered.
And then there was the guy in the Saturn jersey who was a lap down and came back riding at the front.
Actually, people a lap down should not be riding anywhere in the field in local races.
And last some guy in a black jersey with non-cycling glasses (and who looked East Asian to me) who rides up alongside me in the joggers lane and then comes over in front of me. Or at least he tried. Homey don’t play that.
Passing the older women on the tricked out GURU frame with Campy Boras doing about 5 mph in the grass. She had race numbers on so I assume she was in the qualifiers. Pretty weird…
So now that we know what really happened, what about the guy who started this whole discussion by blaming Wilson for “taking down about 10-15 racers”, “pannicking to get… into position”, “[taking] out alot of good racers who were in position to contest the feild spint”.
Everything he wrote turned out to be wrong, both facts and interpretation. So who are you?
why isn’t anyone talking about the NYC qualifier? didn’t any cat 4s piss any 1s, 2s or 3s off?
Seems like the 4s did pretty well in the qualifiers. 2 qualified in the NYC race and 1 or 2 in the westchester race with a few as alternates.
I think we can do line breaks now.
A test.
My butt.
get it?
A line breaks Schmalz’s butt!
Stop it. You know it’s Schmalz’s fantasy to have a site for discussing his butt.
One more placing that I know…Morgan Stebins took 10th
Wilson emphatically did not cause the crash – I was right behind him (lamentably thinking he was the perfect leadout) and I went down. The problem was directly in front of Wilson, some idiot spazzed out and went onto the grass, and he forced Wilson off. Then the idiot decides to make a right turn back onto the road, directly in front of me, and dumped it. I went right over the top of him, then got drilled by 3 or 4 more guys.
only 3-4 spots left on the road, and this no-hoper guy had his nose stuck in there.
Excuse me, I have to go piss blood now.
6 stayed away (2 groups of 3). Rob Lyons (TOGA) and Sal Abruzzes (Cafeteros) were in the first break and a guy on a soloist. I know JP Kaminski won the field sprint and Gabriele Gentile was in there and a Spin112 racer. Not sure who else qualified.
And these comments hurt. I’m crying now.
anonymous postings are back and no one is talking about Adler. WTF?
Class act you are as team manager
is one of the best bike handlers around.
end of discussion.
In the westchester esgq, 3 guys did get away very early in the race. They finished around 1 1/2 minutes ahead of the main field. Anyone know who qualified?
Cat.4s aren’t bad, they just have less experience and less-developed skills. It’s not a social hierarchy, so don’t be insulted. Boneheads exist in all fields, but Albin identified a difference between this race and most others.
Wilson is an amazing rider. I’ve seen him get through things that brough other riders down, and get out of trouble in ways that other riders can’t contemplate.
PS I suck in bike handling compared to Wilson and a few weeks ago freaked out and hit my brakes suddenly in front of him. He said “Don’t panic like that” and he was right.
The only statement that was correct by the rider who posted the gripe. You thought he looked big yesterday, you should have seen him last year! He took it easy on the “hill” as he was off the front for about 10 laps in three separate moves. I did not see the crash as I was in front of it, but like someone else posted, nothing adds up in that statement. Wilson did not go down, he had plenty left in the tank, his skills are top notch, and 15 riders? ‘come on! There was a hairy leg crash a few laps earlier in the same spot for no reason. Was that big Mengoni’s fault too?
So it was a Cat 1 with Cat 2 or 3 fitness and a Cat 4 sized butt that was moving backwards and met a Cat 4 with a Cat 3 size butt and Cat 2 sized ambition moving up the field that met and almost but not actually caused a crash, which was really caused by a Cat 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 ahead of them both, but really a Cat 4 probably because Cat 1-3s dont ever crash in races – crashing is so Cat 5, man.
I agree – I was pushed once by my teammate – and I was like why am I being pushed – I could close this gap without the help and my thought was that it could have caused a crash. We had a brief chat afterwards and I know that won’t happen again from him. All in all I was impressed with how well people rode on Sunday. Considering how big the field was and the varied ability. Sorry to see that there was no breakaway able to stick it at the end but, that is how it goes sometimes. I don’t have the gas to go anywhere so, I was just happy to finish.
/n
In regards to the Westchester crash – Wilson is a class act, a supper strong rider – I would be skeptical as to it was him causing the crash. The guy knows how to sprint and race hence why he is a 1. Not to say it is not impossible for Wilson to cause a crash – just unlikely.
My problem is bigger than yours.
Its always the Cat 4s. Never the 3s that think they should be 2s or the 2s that should be 3s. Just blame the 4s and when they move up they will do the same.
What were the 4s doing that was so dangerous and did such racers have a sign on their back indentifying them? How did you know the dangerous riders were all 4s? My review of the race list was that there were equally or more 3s and 2s then 4s.
I wasn’t interested in placing! Can’t you read?
There were things that happened in the qualifier that I haven’t seen or experienced in years. That race scared the shit out of me. And the only difference between that race and the ones I’ve been doing for the last 6 years is the presence of cat-4s. So let’s be realistic about the “problems in the race”.
The bigger problem is a 1 not placing in a race of 4s and 3s.
are always the problem
So by “racing with the best of them” that means you cannot cause a crash? Not sure the Cat4s and 3s were the problem in the race.
If there’s a crash in front of you, you should do whatever you have to to avoid it, and others around you should do the same. So Jesse, you didn’t cause anything. You saved your collarbone for another day.
I was in the crash and stayed up despite a Colnago C50 rear ending me and sticking to my rear wheel after I swerved to avoid the pile up (so I caused a guy to go down as well). I am not sure who caused the initial crash with certainty but there were some sketchy moments throughout the race (ussually on the final hill going into the finish). Too bad the race ended with a crash.
I was in the crash and stayed up despite a Colnago C50 rear ending me and sticking to my rear wheel after I swerved to avoid the pile up (so I caused a guy to go down as well). I am not sure who caused the crash with certainty but there were some sketchy moments throughout the race (ussually on the final hill going into the finish). Too bad the race ended with a crash.
I heard from someone who placed 12th or 13th on Sunday that “Wilson was held up by a crash.”
If you want to go to the Empire State Games and qualified (or got close), call Bill Montgomery: (917) 861-6754. Don’t rely on him to have your correct information– call him.
But Beth has a strong engine.
The moron that wrote that comment clearly does not know what he’s talking about and was too far back see what actually happen. I, Wilson Vasquez(the mengoni rider) did not cause that crash, it happened two riders in front of me. All I did was move to the grass to avoid it. I was not going to contest the sprint since I knew I wouldn’t be going to the games. I’ve raced with the best for the past 15 years and have never been the cause of a crash. After this weekend I will never race a qualifier again after witnessing first hand how some cat 4 and 3’s race.
here it comes…
how can we include line breaks in what we post? Everything seems to run together.
If you think one rider at FDR state park can take out 10-15 other guys w/o them playing some role in their demise, you don’t understand bike racing.
PS He’s a Cat 1.
PPS To call the hill at FDR state park a “final climb” is pretty funny.
PPS I’m not on Mengoni and I wasn’t there. I’m just saying.
Some big Cat2 Mengoni was responsible for taking down about 10-15 racers in the final sprint for the Westchester ESG qualifiers. He was dropped on the final climb (every lap) and pannicking to get his fat ass into position for the sprint cut off from the left side about 5 racers. He did not place in the end (would have been DQed either way) and worse, he took out alot of good racers who were in position to contest the feild spint (group of 6 stayed away).
so to the Cat2 Mengoni who was getting dropped by 3s and 4s, thanks for ruining a good race for many of us after we busted our ass for 55 miles.
I thought the guys at the timing table were really patient with all of us coming up and asking for times. Thanks to all of them. The timekeepers at some events aren’t always so easy going.
Hey BVF guys, thanks for running that event. And Mike Green, who brought his laptop and self-made program to do quick timing and instant results. Thanks all!
Race gossip with no names attached is like sex with no orgasm. Still sorta fun, but not totally satisfying.
Geez, settle down captain aero, you’ll get your 55th placing soon enough…
Just post the results. Names and times. I’ll wait a few days or a week for all the details like cats and splits, but please, just post the damn times.
In the ESGQ there were gaps opening, and this guy decides to push his teammate to close a gap. Not legal, but it’s done often so no big deal. Except the guy doing the pushing didn’t pedal any harder, so his bike moves backwards A LOT relative to the rest of us. I yell at him, harshly in tone but with no cursing “[His name}, you should know that when you push someone you have to pedal harder so you don’t slow down.” Rather than saying nothing, or apologizing, or saying thanks for the info, he yells back at me something like “You should know to keep your mouth shut.”
Thanks guy. Thanks.
I think the joy of a 3 hour training ride where it starts raining hard 5 min after you get home is almost as great as a race win. That was me yesterday. Soooo nice. I won! I won!
do they exist?
Sure they exist. Probably the people who put on the race didn’t stay up all night formatting them and getting them online fast. I would guess they’ll be out in a few days.
is the awesomeness of my mightiness!
… not
Renault is the car
that you are still capturing IPs, just not showing them. For this reason I will keep posting from off shore proxy servers.
rock.
So things should be very civil.
I think 4th was Karl Roesler of DC racing not Karl Roberts.