Hangover 6/13/2011

by schmalz

Wascally wet waces

 We’re through with a moist weekend’s racing, so let’s get right to the accolades and discover who had a weekend of great success.

The Tour of New York happened, and there were winners, but just not according to the internet yet. If you won, pretend you are someone else and describe your win in the comments section below. Extra credit will be awarded if you mention racing a "smart race". The results will eventually appear here.

At the Tour of Mount Nebo, Scott Zwizanski of UnitedHealthcare Pro Cycling presented by Maxxis won the pro 1/2 race with some Dan Chabanov and Brian Breach of Mengoni in 4th and 5th. Results are here.

The Historic Riverton Criterium has a facebook page, but the results aren’t up yet. Head on over and give them a like here.

At the New York State Crit Championships at the Saranac Lake Downtown Criterium, Greg Olsen of Adler made the trip and was second in the 1/2/3 race and might be the masters 35-99 state champ? Clarification might be needed, but the results are here.

100 Comments

Salvestro Seatpost

The turnout at the State Championship Crit and RR have been pathetic. Props to Olsen making the trip but 5.5 hrs to Saranac is crazy. A disproportionate amount of NY State licensed racers are from NYC. The NYS racing association is basically saying F&$! you to NYC when they put states in the middle of nowhere.

5.5 hrs. Imagine we had the State Championships in Maine, DC, Pittsburgh or AZ/TX by plane. Based on membership or by geography or a combination of the two, putting a championship at Bristol or Saranac is stupid. Thanks for nothing NYSBRA.

floyd

aren’t those from last year, or 2 years ago> (tour of ny)…for example, dan mcmahon as a kissena cat 4?

walnutz

Olsen was fifth in the masters race behind Gary Steinberg and a bunch of guys from Canada or VT. That gave him the masters states. He also won the 1,2,3 Championship with a second place out of a three man break with two guys from the largest team in the race.

State Champ

If the NYC local clubs/promoters would apply to have a state championship race in the NYC area, then that would help. There is a very democratic process for selecting the races which are anointed as the state championship. As far as I know each year only one race has applied and never the NYC promoters/clubs.

Quentin Saddlebag

Anyone know what happened with the crash in the 4s race? I heard a TEANY and NY Velocity guy banged bars and went down and took out some other folks.

Where’s Old4’s crash report when you need him? Old4 where are you son?

Luchino Tank

have been in our area before…harlem was the crate championship a few times recently, and the old unionvale race was as well.

2 triangles

Can’t wait for the stench of campfires and dog urine to permeate the air — 600 out of town campers — sweet . . . .

Mohamed Topcap

Those campers will be in for a pleasant surprise when they discover the ravenous nature of the mosquitoes at FBF.

Kid Skid

New “Eco-Center”, kayaking, 600 campersites — largest federal campground in the State — say goodbye to cycling.

Locknut Supple

looked like a rider wiped out a pedestrian – tons of blood, the guy on the ground was a total mess, EMT’s etc. this one will probably get NYPD’s attention….

Piero Flange

unfortunately, it’s not necessarily the cyclist who’s the idiot.

if you are going 14 mph and someone steps in front of you without looking, they are going to get hurt.

XKGH

Shitty accusations for a guy who has slowly progressed over the past 5 years. Plus, he is a breakaway park racer specialist. He is very beatable in the hills. There are plenty of strong masters just as fast as Olson (Roger, Carl Regler, Max the list goes on).

Making unfounded accusations is just shitty.

Ryan Wave Ring

On the upside for Greg, this is proof his winter training and hard work paid off. Unfounded attacks on your fitness. This is reserved for really good guys. If I recall its prolific winners like David Taylor, the Burrowes brothers, Ken Harris, Ricky Lowe, Dr. John, Lisban, etc. are the guys I’ve seen on NYVelocity call out for doping.

Superhighcadence

Greg just pays his dues…I have seen him doing laps after lap in CP on a day noone dares to walk outside. He thoroughly researches and experiments with gear seeking for the smallest yet valuable advantages – Yes, it helps that he has the $ to buy all the toys, but he trains harder/longer than anyone I know, and he is smart with his training method. I believe that it is only his legs doing the talking. Keep it up Greg!

Kid Skid

Calling out GO is BS — lousy comment by another pack fill d-bag. Greg, in addition to being a hard worker, is one of the few nice guys in the peloton.

Sisyphus

From Joe Papp’s Twitter Account on June 12, 2011:

Yes it does frustrate me to see pro’s whose names are on “The List” still racing and winning but my outing them would be counter-productive.

Olsen's Number 2 Fan

OLSEN IS THE NICEST GUY IN BIKE RACING! AND MOST HUMBLE!

GO GO GO GO GO GO GOLSEN

Large Marge

Why is it so unthinkable that a successful local racer can’t be dirty? Just because you know him? I have not idea if GO is dirty or not (and frankly I don’t care), but you people sound a lot like the Tyler and Floyd crowd who insisted (and some of you even gave money to their defense funds) that nice guys like that couldn’t be dirty. I look at the lists below of strong local guys who have been called dopers and I can’t think of what makes them any different from some of the local guys who have been caught. In this sport, in this country, under lax amateur testing, it’s simply impossible for all of the top guys to be clean. At least some of them must be dirty. Perhaps GO is one of them. Perhaps not. Doesn’t really matter at the end of the day, but the anonymous accuser makes more sense to me than the anonymous defender.

Slow Cat3

In this day and age of cycling (dopers from the top all they way down to elite masters and Cat3 racers doping i.e. Cannell and Chodroff during his Cat2/3 years), lets give our local strongmen and women the benefit of the doubt. I do not know GO beyond the years I spent racing with him. Unlike many on this blog (yes its a blog), GO has been racing for more than 2 years. He consistently gets better year after year from the Cat4 days in 2006 on. I can remember getting dropped at Capital region in 08 and the last wheel I lost was Olsons. He went on to ride for Slokar in that race who won off the front. Point is, he is a smart racer, rides to his strengths breakaways and sprints out of breakaways (many NYC riders dont do this as they all think they can climb or sprint and ussually can do neither).

I agree there maybe some dirty Cat1-3s in NYC and masters, but simply because a guy is strong and wins park races does not make him anything but smart, hardworking and strong. There are guys who are much more suspicious but even they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Alessio Supple

Why does getting better after years of racing not indicate somekind of edge (legal or not)?

Usually the natural talent is winning from the start. Someone starts being very successful after years of mediocrity, that’s when people ask questions.

Axel Brazeon

Armstrong repeatedly asked Hamilton how much he had been paid to do the television interview, and added that his legal team would “(expletive) destroy you,” “tear you apart on the witness stand,” and “make your life a living (expletive) hell.”

Jens Lorica

Looks like Livesnob is still wholeheartedly on board.

Though to be fair, he’s probably contractually bound to wear the shirt for all public appearances and doesn’t want the lawyers to make his life a living (expletive) hell. The pit stains are telling…

coffee

GO is a reflection of you. whether you think he’s a douche or a nice guy – you’re right

personally, i dig a guy who works hard *and* drops cash. a guy who works hard has earned the right to race the best equipment, and every $ that goes back into the industry is good for a ton of us/our friends/our teammates

Joe Papp

While I can confirm the creation of at least one new element, I won’t be wearing a jumpsuit any time soon.

Kid Skid

Large Marge to Team D-Bag — “anonymous accuser makes more sense than the anonymous defender” – how stupid are you? Don’t answer. Its rhetorical . . .

Accusing a guy of cheating with no support, other than the fact that he trains hard and wins shows that the only thing dirty here is your stinky underdraws . . . so, enjoy the view of Olsen’s backside as he passes you (if you even ride Cat 1,2,3, which I doubt) in the next race, and justify your your lame performance by hollow accusations of cheating, as opposed to manning up and realizing that your lame-arse 40 milers every Tuesday and Thursday ain’t enough “training” to post . . . ta ta . . .

2 triangles

Let’s face it, everybody in cycling is dirty — especially when you race in the rain in March. You get all that grit n sh#t in your teeth, your taint gets wacked with rear wheel flow, and your glasses are gooked beyond belief. Talk about dirty! That’s dirty.

But let’s lay off local dudes who race hard and win. That’s not good for anybody.

Lancie Pie

Irrefutable proof that GO isn’t doping is the fact that he blows all his dough on fancy equipment and thus has no dough left over to buy fancy cheating stuff . . .

Large Marge

I didn’t accuse anyone of doping. I actually don’t care if people dope. We probably all should, the races would be more interesting. I just think the “nice guy” and “hard worker” defenses are at least as baseless as the accusations themselves. Name one doper out there who didn’t work hard. The drugs don’t work all on their own. You have to actually train hard and race hard while taking them.

Remi Topcap

doping allows for faster recovery and higher volume/intensity. dope alone doesn’t make you faster (other than blood transfusion/epo).

Anyone see Bunde train a couple years ago? He was the hardest training rider in NYC… hmm.

Sage Oracle

Sensitive topic / sour grapes / don’t accuse, just ride your bike / train harder / etc

Yes, lot’s of arguments and opinions.

*Trust your judgment*

How many times do we see extraordinary performances in this sport, only to learn later that they were the result of doping?

How many CRCA/local NYC riders have had consistently strong P 1/2 and A-Field results having worked their way up from Cat 5?

With no prior athletic accomplishments of note?

Yelled at, harassed and were plain verbally aggressive towards the field in races?

Were over the age of 35 when they started racing (for real) and were dominant at 40+?

Have a full-time job?

Run a company?

Married?

Have (small children)?

Have a increasingly freakish physical appearance?

Are strong in flat races and not in hilly races despite a physique that suggests the opposite should be case?

Sure, it is possible. Evie Stevens? an exception? But, she had obvious natural talent…showed up and won everything right away. You can’t beat genetics. Alex Gulla won on a Schwinn Varsity Pro or something like it – equipment makes a modest difference in road races.

We want to believe that we all can do it…work harder and you too can be the best. Well, you certainly can improve substantially, but talk to those who coach amateurs about the gains that can be achieved – I’d like to believe also…

Franco Lube

“How many times do we see extraordinary performances in this sport, only to learn later that they were the result of doping?”

-At the pro level, but at the amateur level the talent differential is much wider

How many CRCA/local NYC riders have had consistently strong P 1/2 and A-Field results having worked their way up from Cat 5?

-All of them. Doesn’t everyone start as a 5?

With no prior athletic accomplishments of note?

-do you know this?

Yelled at, harassed and were plain verbally aggressive towards the field in races?

-don’t know anything about this one but i’ve never witnessed it.

Were over the age of 35 when they started racing (for real) and were dominant at 40+?

-I don’t know about the age they started, but there are many 40+ guys who can dominate a P12 field (Roger A, and Dr. J. Lo, for example)

Have a full-time job?
-lots of guys

Run a company?
-lots of guys

Married?
-lots of guys

Have (small children)?
-depends how supportive your wife is:-)

Have a increasingly freakish physical appearance?
-based on what? the only thing freakish is the mouthguard and the funny helmets.

Are strong in flat races and not in hilly races despite a physique that suggests the opposite should be case?
-i watched him win bear mt. as a 4.

I don’t know him personally – only met him once, but the guy by all accounts trains obsessively, can afford the best equipment, coaching, and testing there is….and maybe is just plain talented. Why is that so hard to accept? It’s really “mala leche” (look it up) to throw these accusations around without any basis to do so.

Reefer Madness

I smoke 2 joints before I smoke 2 joints, and then I smoke 2 more.

And then I go do laps in Central Park.

Wout Topcap

By Lance/We Stand: You were invencible, LoneStar BloodLess Spur; The rest were left like dust in the wind, Cowboy Ranger from the Land of AstroTurf; The rest were using the same stuff you were, Maverick LegStrong; So everyone, stop the nonsense. Omertá times’, MagliaNera
reefer boys

Arno Neck

Y’all are idiots

Olsen isn’t doping

MOST of the good cat1’s in NYC can’t climb with other cat1’s from elsewhere because there IS NO CLIMBING IN NYC(alpine doesn’t count)

Winning a park race ain’t hard, even cat 3’s are doing it

Vieri Tigweld

Roger was an olympic endurance athlete from an eastern scandanavian country in a sport plagued with doping. Hmmm.

Siebe Swage

Is East Scandinavia like East Germany? When the wall between Norway and Sweden came down it was an awesome party.

Antonio Biopace

at 28 seconds what are the odds that a little hershey squirt leaked onto that nice synthetic chamois?

Alexander O-Ring

Joe Papp

So we know that we won’t get to see the list anytime soon, if even, but can you at least tell us how many on the list are NY metro area names?

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