Let me preface this hangover by saying that I’ve never done a cross race, as I understand it, cross races are basically dirty criteriums where you run for short periods of time, as if you want to keep your bike off hot coals. So let’s delve into this world of hot coal bike walking, shall we?
At the Red Cross in Richford, NY, there were lots of races and they were won by people I don’t recognize. But you can check for yourself by looking over the results here.
I did, however, recognize many names at the Westwood Velo Cross Race, and I shall name them here. Gavi Epstein of radicalvelo.com won the 123 race. Daniel Chabanov of Kissena won the Cat 3 race. Laura Winberry of Campmor won the women’s 123 race. Stacey Barbossa of Montclair Cyclists won the women’s cat 4 race. William Romollino of Black Bear Cycling won the men’s cat 4 race. Maurice Gamanho of MTBNJ.com – Halter’s won the master’s 35+ race. David Hunt of Team Somerset won the master’s 45+ race. Patrick Kennedy of Liberty cycles won the 55+ race. Zach Bender of Cycle-Smart won the junior men’s 15-18 race. Noah Granigan of Team Somerset won the junior men’s 10-14 race. And Natasha Voake won the junior momen’s 10-18 race. Full results are here.
Is riding really well! Nice job…
What about David’s brother Mike? How did he do? You know Mike Hunt, right Schmalz?
thought I smelled weed
“a lot more Mt Bikers”
Mike is no relation to David, Mike is from the Long Island Hunts.
nice race, nice day and nice weather. the fields seemed bigger than last year and a lot more Mt Bikers.
why is this site virtually dead this time of year.
cross is like a more fun NYCC ride. no ones is really racing, except for a couple of douchey guys who take it too seriously.
thus there isn’t much to discuss.
If you “race” cross you are douchey… if you “race” road its cool because all the other guys do it.
The guy who posted this below is likely a roadie who sucks at cross and needs to justify why slow roadies all of a sudden are whoppin his ass on the dirt.
Some guys (believe it or not) prefer to focus on the cross season. Why is this douchey?
I was typing the same thing. Spoken like a true loser.
those who can’t do, do C/X.
Lets list some of the top CX racers on the NE who also race road…
Lindine, Myerson, Epstein, Dillon, Dugan, Johnson, Timmerman, Frattini, Driscol, Powers should I go on?
and a few strong locals that also do very well in cross:
Roger, Spohn, Howard, Peppo, Prensky, Malloy, Kincaid, Lisbon, Guzman, Facas, Kimbal.
Yeah, these guys pretty much suck during the road season.
If you dont like cross then dont race it but dont act like the guys that race CX are the rejects from the road season.
and most guys who are any good at road are pretty damn competitive…i don’t see them sitting back in a cx race “not taking it seriously”…if you were competitive you would know what I mean.
OK Kanye
No one takes troll bait like a CX warrior. Stay strong, Xenu.
I like mud pie.
If you have to ask…
And I really doubt that 849 is talking about the elite field. We all love watching those guys.
is about as Douchey as using aero wheels and a powermeter to win or place in a CRCA Park Race, PP Race of FBF race…
wow, you guys are really confirming the too-serious douchey characterization. nice job, point proved.
Next on Bravo: Massengill Eye for the Enthusiastic Cyclocross Guy.
It would be kind of great if Summer’s Eve or Massengil stepped up and sponsored a team.
it’s a separate skill set, or at the very least, it’s a different and smaller pool of guys. there really isn’t much overlap among the top guys on the road and the top cross guys. so ok, jeremy powers races on the road… but he isn’t really that GOOD at it. he is among the best in the country at cross, but far from it on the road. ryan trebon, same. tim johnson, same. there are about 10 guys who are really competitive in US cross races, and none of them regularly wins road races, unless you are talking about amateur races. then look at the top crit riders in the country and pick out the crossers among them… not many.
Trebon and Wicks consistently wins/places in mountain bike races. So do the women… Gould, Nash, Compton all top MTB players during ’09. On the road, Myerson still places a ton on crits. Laura Van Gilder also rules crits, she kicks ass cross style. Aspholm, Troy Kimball, Chris Jones, etc…, etc… Let’s not even get started with the Euros, Lars Boom, Marianne Vos, Kupfernagel… Some of them (Johnson, Powers) maybe could do better in MTB or the road, they just focus on ‘cross.
what about Max-Phillip Freiherr Spiegel von und zu Peckelsheim?
Max-Phillip Freiherr Spiegel von und zu Peckelsheim?
he kicks ass old scholl classy style. He was last seen dropping Aspholm in a muddy masters race.
who said anything about mountain biking? in road vs. cross in the US, the guys who are good at cross aren’t that great on the road. myerson is a crafty racer, solid at both, chris jones, tim johnson, driscoll, all strong, but not winning or getting on the podium on the road anywhere near as often as they do in cross. i’m not trashing cross, i’m just saying, the guys who win cross races don’t necessarily seem to be great road racers.
OK. So this is settled right? All of the CX guys who are trying to convince people that CX is GREAT… it’s not working so stop trying. All of the roadies who are picking on the CX guys for being “douchey”… you’re actually being petty and it’s a stupid argument to pick.
Settled? CX guys, go ride in the dirt. Roadies, go drink or ride the computrainer, or whatever you do between now and March.
If you don’t like CX, so what? If you have a complex about roadies not digging CX, GREAT! Who needs them, right?
To whom should I address the invoice for this mediation? I think we all learned some valuable lessons today.
Oh, and CX…. we all know you’re CJ, so cut it out.
this argument is like the special olympics; even if you win you’re still retarded. this thread is an homage to that spirit.
i wasn’t saying that either road or cross is “better,” just that there are different guys who do well in each, in response to someone who seemed to be saying that the strong guys are the same across the board.
i like both.
Looking at the Cat1-2s on the Northeast, the same dudes do well in both races. The top 20 in a top Elite NE Cross race are also the same guys in the top 20 of a top Elite NE road race.
Sure most of the top pros on the road nationally are not racing cross but there are some (Maynes, Dillon, Jones, Dugan, Roger – Masters). This argument is dumb. race what you like and enjoy it for what ever reason. Hating on guys who enjoy an event you dont like is just lame.
so defensive… i’m not busting on ANYONE, and in fact i think it’s one of the more legit and interesting “arguments” about cycling to ask whether and to what extent skills and fitness transfer from discipline to discipline.
Can someone try to explain the difference in CX and road from physiological perspective? What physical attributes makes one a good CXer or Roadie.
Road racers are Type A and looking for approval from their fathers.
CX racers like to get dirty because they are stuck in the anal phase and like to have shit all over them, according to Freud.
Oh, sorry, I thought you said psychological.
https://nyvelocity.com/content/2009/2010-cx-jamis-supernova
There is no real physiological difference, other than the length of the event. Cross races are short (pro races are 60 minutes, everything else is 40-50 minutes), versus 2-5 hours for road races, so they favor people who can ride hard for a shorter time. There is also a much higher skill level required, as far as turning, braking, riding in mud and sand, and so forth. A lot of that is just experience and practice, though obviously some people are better bike handlers than other people.
There is also a mental aspect, in that cross is all about continuing on when things go wrong (flat tires, crashes, terrible conditions, cold, wet, etc). So it probably favors people who are able to stay focused. But that’s not much different than riding a breakaway on the road.
Hearing a CX racer is like listening on Monday morning to an 7th grader whose brother took them to a Blue Oyster Cult concert over the weekend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDuYlRs9_Do
Because maybe cross racers have no interest in posting messages to a forum full of trollish dicks.