So, I had a nice argument all lined up and Frankie Andreu decides to turn the world on it’s ear. Lance issues a statement saying the story was a hatchet job by the New York Times trying to link him to doping through another rider’s admission.
The question is: what happens now? We’ve always said we wanted someone to come forward and just admit what they did. Here we have it – Frankie admits he took EPO twice – without provocation, no less. Pat McQuaid said he doesn’t understand Andreu’s objectives, and he said he doesn’t understand what Frankie is trying to achieve by admitting his doping.
Is Frankie trying to clear his conscience? Is he trying to get ahead of any allegations? Will people take Frankie at his word, or will people think he used EPO more than he claimed? Why would anyone care about a domestique taking EPO twice almost 7 years ago? Oh, yeah, well. there’s that…
Log-in only suckers! Did you know we could delete your profiles that don’t have email addresses attached?
Once more, with feeling.
They all dope, and they all lie about it.
Frankie Andreau just decided to stop lying about it. Refreshing, isn’t it?
What happens now? Nothing. The situation continues unchanged. Next year’s TdF winner will also be doped. He just won’t have been caught.
Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Quincy Littlefield! All knowing confidant of every pro in cycling! Through exhaustive research and investigation he’s come to the irrefutable over-generalized conclusion that all pros dope! Master logic! Absolutely air tight! He’s a beacon of hope in these dark times.
i am glad he did it, especially after the trash lance was talking about him and his spouse after they testified under subpoena.
i would like to see velonews and others have the guts to put him on the cover. some big team should hire him, too.
Hey Schmalz, if it helps you to attack me, that’s cool, I can take it.
Here’s a little something to support my point of view.
From Sports Illustrated:
"Of the 500 cyclists (Willy Voet) worked with over the years, only two had ever failed a drug test. "A racer who gets caught by doping control is dumb as a mule," Voet told me.
And how many of those 500 cyclists he worked with did not take drugs to enhance their performance? "I can count them on two hands. Maybe two hands and two feet if I’m generous," Voet said.
And where did the clean ones finish? I wondered.
"The back of the pack," Voet said."
I did mock you, and I enjoyed it; but mostly I attacked your logic – because you can’t say EVERY pro is on something…
Now, in a master stroke of logic to prove your point that all pros dope you give direct evidence stating that indeed not all pros dope, just the fast pros dope. Disproving your point that all pros dope in the first place…
Seek a refund for your education.
Notice: my tank of "nice" is on empty today.
So who do we think the other pro rider is?
OK, I get it, we’re being literal here.
Fine. I hereby admit that I do believe there are probably a few honest guys groveling along at the back of the peloton.
From yesterday’s NYT:
"There are two levels of guys," Andreu told the NYT. "You got the guys that cheat and guys that are just trying to survive."
I used the word "All" as a slight exaggeration to add emphasis.
I’ll rephrase for your benefit:
They ALMOST all dope and they ALMOST all lie about it.
Shame on me for lumping the few good ones in with the rest.
will be seeking reparations…
Some one wrote in Velonews:
"Thanks to Frankie for opening this box, now please find the courage to spill the contents. When did you do it? How often? Other drugs? Who got them for you? Who else did it? Did the team know? Did Lance know? Was it encouraged? How much did it help? Etc, etc, etc….
I am not surprised Frankie Andreu doped. I am pleased to see that he admits it, but he is leaving out a lot of details and I am not ready to applaud until he tells the whole truth. "
I agree with that…if he is not willing to go further with the details, I think his effort and courage will be wasted. His statements are probably true but not enough if he wants have an impact to fix the problem. Well, may be he is not out there to contribute to fix it, but then why would he come out and say what he said…
Andreu opened up, in my opinion, because he saw his family attacked this summer when Armstrong said fairly derogatory things about his wife Betsy. I’m a childless drunk bachelor, but somewhat adept at empathy. I know if MY wife was called "crazy" and an "old lady" by an ex-colleague that the woman would sort of expect me to come to her defense at some level. Chances are that’s Frankie’s chief motivation here.
Of course, Frankie might harbor some animosity about having lost his job, too. And the absence of WMDs in Iraq.
It seems to me the real issue is terror that doping will cause cycling to become even more marginalized than it already is, with people employed in the sport losing their already tenuous livlihoods. For them Lance has been the answer to their prayers. He’s the Barry Bonds of Cycling. No matter what he took and when, the sport depends on his myth for its miniscule and hard-won recognition.
Even in Europe, cycling is at best a semi-marginal sport. Here it’s completely marginal. By the numbers, the U.S. public just doesn’t understand cycling and cares even less about it. I do agree that Times seems to be a lot more interested in "catching" Lance than they are at showing (just one example) what a farce baseball statistics have become. Why? because society –cares– about baseball, and steroids cannot be allowed to diminish our baseball mythology (and the daily three pages of mind-numbing nonsense that the Times allocates to it). . .
No one in the American press has ever tried to make the public understand that (European) cycling from the beginning never was clean, or that "cleanliness" was ever even an issue. In the old days the Tour really was a "tour." The first 100 miles of a stage were ridden at tempo, and the real race would start 20-30 miles from the finish. . . with breaks along the way for coffee, sandwiches, cigarettes, wine, champagne (for indigestion), and later on, diet pills for pep, etc., etc. The point of the sport was to be awed by the mountain exploits of Coppi, not to wonder what he was taking. What did it matter? European cycling today is a smooth evolution from those days, but with guys racing flat-out the whole way, and climbing walls in superhuman times. Naturally the stimulants have evolved along with them.
The issue of "Cleanliness" didn’t even exist until recently. It evolved during the cold war when the military arms race was sublimating into olympic sports, and doping became a subliminal form of "arms research." Now that the cold war is over, the "arms" still exist. Cultural attitude toward them is confused, and motivations for pointing the finger at athletes depend on who is pointing the finger and what’s at risk for them.
The American attitude (especially in the press) toward doping is (to me) a mirror reflection of the American character at large: puritanical, hysterical, and ultimately ignorant and hypocritical. Every day people cheat (and are cheated) in this society, now more then ever. Which is precisely why we need our myths and heros.
But the idea of a "level" playing field has always been a myth. With or without supposed doping, the playing field is in fact far more level in the pro ranks than in the amateurs, where people compete side-by-side with huge discrepencies between lifestyles, ages, jobs, incomes, available training/recovery time, coaching, sophistication of equipment, etc., etc. And this is considered completely acceptable (as it should be: otherwise there would be no sport). But the collective psychology cannot tolerate a threat to their professional myths and heros, because they are the remedy (in their inner moral universe) for all the unfairness that is a simple fact of life. In short, there is no answer to this conundrum, except to keep riding, visit cyclingnews daily, and picki and choose your heros as your moral needs dictate.
Whew, long-winded! Very sorry about that. Please don’t delete my profile, I’ll do penance! I’ll even blood-dope so I can carry water bottles for Axis riders, whatever. . . just don’t ban me from the "sport!"
G.Gilliland
<<<<<<Fine. I hereby admit that I do believe there are probably a few honest guys groveling along at the back of the peloton.>>>>>
I’ve heard that Français Des Jeux has their own blanket testing routine (which would make sense as they’re sponsored by the national lottery!), so here you have a whole "clean" team. Look at their results and draw your own conclusions: you could conclude that they consistently sign mid-pack riders, or. . . anyway, they’re not exactly groveling at the back of the pack, they’re finishing in the middle mostly.
Voet said retired riders Mottet, Delion and (I think) were clean. In his book he mentions that Mottet would have been a super-champion if he had doped.
EPO wasnt illegal in 99. Who cares.
it is interesting that he is admitting this now and what is the point. it only takes away the credible aspects of our sport. it is so funny that sports news cares. baseball players, football players, track stars are all juiced. yet when they get caught, nothing really happens to them. if you get caught in cycling at a pro level…. well you are screwed. you can go to jail in some cases. it is about time wada goes after the sports that americans care about, and leave our sport alone. in the end, the dopers will pay, with all kinds of ailments and heart problems. enough said. nite nite.
it is interesting that he is admitting this now and what is the point. it only takes away the credible aspects of our sport. it is so funny that sports news cares. baseball players, football players, track stars are all juiced. yet when they get caught, nothing really happens to them. if you get caught in cycling at a pro level…. well you are screwed. you can go to jail in some cases. it is about time wada goes after the sports that americans care about, and leave our sport alone. in the end, the dopers will pay, with all kinds of ailments and heart problems. enough said. nite nite.
oh. my bad. thanks aaron.
doping is everywhere in every sport…
hell, i’m so doped up that i took 55th at bear without even showing up!
rennie – thats abit of a head in the sand atitude isn’t it ? Just becuase someone else has left a dirty mattress outside their apartment doesn’t mean you should drop a coke can in the street. Its still littering, its still doping and its still screwing up the sport.
You’ve got to admit that there’s no drug more powerful than the intensely, near-insanely competitive, "challenge me and I’ll crush you like the pitiful fu@#in’ bug that you are" attitude that 7-time TdF winner Lance Armstrong so obviously has in spades and then some.
The Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team has issued a statement saying that team management will investigate Frankie Andreu, and that USA Cycling, the United States Anti-Doping Agency and the International Cycling Union should do the same. "The team has had a zero-tolerance policy regarding riders using performance-enhancing drugs," the statement said. "We are saddened and disappointed by this recent revelation. Any suggestion that any form of doping has ever been encouraged or tolerated on this team is patently false."
This whole Armstrong vs. the world affair is getting uglier and uglier, but it should be pretty clear to anyone paying attention that Lance is out to win whatever contest he’s in, whether it’s on the bike or in the courtroom. I wouldn’t want to be Andreu right about now, no matter which side of the "truth" he’s on. He’s got a lot less to lose compared to Lance.
Great post, and line of thinking.
I race masters 50+ against guys, some of whom are empty nesters, possibly divorced, sometimes even retired, and live a monastic life dedicated to training. I work full time, freelance weekends, help my son with homework, coach his soccer team, etc etc. I train when I can, which is often not quite enough. So yeah, by your logic the pro ranks are a (relatively) level playing field. With my ego still intact, I will continue to train (when I can) and lose races. That rare podium finish is SO sweet.
>>>But the idea of a "level" playing field has always been a myth. With or without supposed doping, the playing field is in fact far more level in the pro ranks than in the amateurs, where people compete side-by-side with huge discrepencies between lifestyles, ages, jobs, incomes,