I’m going to miss the Shoofly Pie and Scrapple, but not the weekend traffic in Lancaster.
By the way, fix the title.

I will miss racing in Intercourse.

i’m guessing long winded, weird accusations on your website don’t help you much in a lawsuit.

While I applaud Hincapie’s win in the Dauphine, you gotta wonder what’s up with those black socks…

The Christiana Stage 2 Time Trial was epic. Best TT course in the region in my opinion. Dwarfs Harriman and Cpk in terms of technicality and scenic vista. Its too bad that the people of that community will take a hit this summer with the loss of tourism and all. I think someone will wise up for 09′ after the realization of the loss of revenue sinks in at the end of 08′.

Busted during out of comp test for coke…leave those guys alone…

rule. stop censorship.

Registration seems down for sure due to gas prices and the economy. Jiminy was not full, Battenkill did not fill the Cat 3, Lake Placid which seems to be a killer course has noone registered due to the distance. Sad because these out of town races will stop if noone goes. Then we will have like 300 guys trying to fill 100 spots for PP races at the ass crack of dawn.

“Things come full circle and, when the time is right, he

is a necessity. Some of us have lives, relationships, and families to maintain. What’s wrong with waking up at the ass-crack dawn, putting in a few intense miles and then having your day start at 9am. Everyone involved is happy.
It has nothing to do with manhood or fitness prowess, just maintaining life with balance.
Let keep some perspective here.

Google “david butterworth” and “douchebag”

So, we’ve heard one side of this story. I’d love to hear it from Butterwoth’s viewpoint.
I am also unaware of any issue between Butterwoth and Wiswell.

for sure influence my travel.

Butterworth and others joust here:
http://blogs.lancasteronline.com/potholes/2008/06/09/ruoff-speaks/

Follow the link above to Wiswell’s blog entry. Butterworth responds with the following:

Well David it’s certainly unfortunate to read your account of things. As I wrote in my article to Fixed Gear Fever, I thought each of the 3 American teams had one good night; no one left with bragging rights over another at Dortmund. I remember giving you a water bottle after one or two races and I’m the one who helped Jackie stop on the back-stretch when he had a flat tire. I never represented to anyone that you or Jackie or Austin or Guy were my riders. I did have two teams there though, both an American team and a British/Belgian team. On several occasions I’ve offered to help you or have us work together, but you’ve declined. You weren’t in Munich so I don’t know where you get your information, but we actually had 2 invitations and because our Belgian rider had another obligation we could only bring Adrian and Brian, our American team. USA Cycling was there on their own invitation. Our guys went on to Geneva to race which I had encouraged you (through Jackie’s father) to do as well. I understand all of the Americans, you, Jackie, Adrian, and Brian raced very well and the teams were exactly tied after 3 days; the tie was broken by your better finish in the last sprint. It’s hard to call any of that embarrassing in Geneva or beforehand for Adrian and Brian. Just sour grapes and total lies.

The lancaster link was really sad to read. I had no idea how important Red Rose Races was to the Jr development riders. A Jr team from australia were flying in to compete in two of their races! Thats some serious word of mouth. The region has a void now that its gone. Butterworth is hands down the grinch of cycling!

no one really coming to the defense of Butterworth. I’m reading nothing but post after post of pissed off riders and community sponsers on the subject.

Not Cancelled – Already happened in April

why not just post the fucking link?

http://www.redroseraces.com

retard? shitbag?

this one is nice:

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid.
Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the
stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are
trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that
even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect
can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid.
You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year.
Quasar stupid.

first there was that catfight b/w the giro di new jersey dude and the vernon stage race guy. now this. what next, a sword fight between charlie i and AVD?

AVD and Charlie I are both good guys, making a little money, putting on OK to excellent events, and working w/each other and other people in the area

It’s not like this Lancaster situation

I would def continue to attend any race that Ruoff promotes – they are always well done. Still, the apparent lack of control over his business, exhibited by co-mingling personal and business accounts and going deep into arrears ahead of events does show a fairly shocking level of poor business practice. That along with the possible inclusion of an asset (trailer) into the business listed as an asset when it was owned by the bank financed by a personal loan again underscores his need to get his act together if he gets back into a new promotion gig. Not that bike promoters are supposed to be famously astute business people, but this guy acts like he is running a lemonde stand with third grade skills.

Without doubt, though, the Butterworth dude sounds as slippery as his name. Wouldnt trust him as far as I could throw him. The Wiswell account kinda seals any last shread of trust that one might extend the guy after this Ruoff story. I wouldnt attend his race if it had a $500k prize. No way. If it were the last bike race in the region, id sooner do the Tour de Spoon and hope somebody else got into bike race promotion the next year.

Does anybody care about this race anymore? You can thank the Tour organizers for turning this event into the least popular cycling event of the year.

Go blow a goat. You are so freaking annoying…

oh snap! Dont take that blatant aggression, JT. Give it to him.

I don’t know, how about you try it and let us know.

That is the lamest, most useless response ever.
congrats.

Hope he doesnt crash me out then.

I second that up here at Bear Mtn.

Tom Boonen tests positive for cocainehttp://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/tom-boonen-tests-positive-for-cocaine-16930

there are only 30 riders in the 3/4 and only 2 days till reg closes. what gives? sounds like a good event.

While I don’t like their style I like the fact that they have style

Why are they closing reg on this 1 week prior to start…so they can pull the plug because not enough signed up? Most don’t sign up till Wednesday week of. Heck 25 signed up for the $10k televised local super race just today. I don’t like the smell of his prize list as “cash”.

Ummm…that chief actually said that about Sturbridge/Palmer. Unless Norton can talk em’ out of it the races are history.

that ain’t no joke.

Hey maybe now Bear can get its old date back and scrap the Mothers Day fiasco, Alan you listening.

Halfpipe that is 70 feet/containers high!
Show is at 7pm tonight, so come out, or if nothing else, be careful training in the park…

I believe it was an actual in print quote.

~~~~~~~

Friday, May 30, 2008
Warren to cancel bike races

Officials say riders messy, spent little

By J.P. Ellery CORRESPONDENT

WARREN

Registration has been extended to Wednesday, June 18, 2008 at 11:59 PM ET

http://television.aol.com/tvtop5/kates-new-man-the-view/2142885;jsessionid=2780E826AF6D5D3439928018B38EE526

I see there is a new race (Schooley’s mtn rr). Course sounds nice the problem is that many locals are doing Fitchburg that weekend. Not the best planning. I will do this race as it is close and I dont have the time to leave town for Fitchburg. Speaking of which, the Pro1 field is stacked this year. Fully Team Type 1, Bissell, Colavita (top guys on the team) and Harley to name a few. Looks like that race is getting back to where it was in the past.

Theres a world championship for girls BMX riding? How many do this? About 10 in the world, all of whom are from CA?
Dan! Erase spam now please!

I know one of the younger world champ bmx girls is from Aruba

That’s a cool event in any case

No question, i could not do it. Wouldnt even try. I guess they are cool to be able to do it, but Im not glued to the TV channel surfing for the girls BMX world champs on a Sun afternoon either. Sorry.

ugh. boring.

however, imagine for a moment Liz Hatch bouncing in and out of a half pipe.

Make huge salaries with Sports drinks endorsements, video games, movies, bike deals and clothing deals. BMX is very MTV like it or not. I do not see Kirk Obee promoting Mtn Dew and having his own charachter on a PSP game.. These guys are making a good living.

1) Kids hate lycra. Kids like big ass shorts, skate shoes, and Mountain Dew. 2) Road Racing is really boring unless you’re racing. This’ll never change. So let’s adapt and figure out how to support great races.

Very confused about pancakes.

Or this one, which is even more stupid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoBe4rKDZdE&feature=related

Goddamn hipsters.

we should have skidding contests. bonus points for style.

what kills me about the fixed gear freestyle scene is that, at the end of the day, dorky tricks on low geared track bikes is not new. they can act all ‘street-tough’ and badass as they like, but i still see this when i watch them do bar spins and wheelies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiE1Qm7HSd8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvKeuq0nLSQ

Seriously is right. Fixie hipsters are just like messengers, only 100X more obnoxious.

Reading Rich Ruoff’s account of the blowup…

I’m not sure most of us really appreciate what goes in to putting these events on. We can do our part by filling up our cars in town, having lunch, not pissing on lawns, etc.

You’ll eventually find more and more events disappear, unless it is a win/win proposition for the promoter, the racers, and the hosting community.

You maybe have 40 prime weekend slots between April and November. Dividing up the market between the New England, NY/PA, and Washington D.C. riders, that means bandwidth for 100 decent sized races.

Once a race is blacklisted from a particular town, that is one less place where you can host one of those 100 races.

For the most part, putting these races on is thankless, not lucrative, and done out of love of the sport. Keep that in mind.

true……Its really unfortunate (because) the Christiana stage race was becoming VERY popular in this region. It was perfectly dated on the calender, the town had everything to offer tourists, the stage courses were top notch and the locals were nothing short of fantastic. The actions of an individual or in this case I guess two individuals that couldnt make the growth flourish, is a lowdown dirty shame. Rich should contact michael ball and get some serious backing. Of course the town would have to deal with scantily clad chickas on the podiums.

I thought Ball said Tyler wouldn’t be coming this weekend. But he’s registered …

http://www.bikereg.com/events/ConfList.asp?EventID=6556

That’s my cousin Vinny’s niece Tyler. Different guy – he is unaffiliated. You have too much time in your hands. Hold and shake something else with that.

Yeah, too bad. Loved that race. The dates, the course(s), the setting, the locals, etc

true……Its really unfortunate that the Christiana stage race was becoming VERY popular in this region. It was perfectly dated on the calender, the town had everything to offer tourists, the stage courses were top notch and the locals were nothing short of fantastic. The actions of an individual or in this case I guess two individuals that couldnt make the growth flourish, is a lowdown dirty shame. Rich should contact michael ball and get some serious backing. Of course the town would have to deal with scantily clad chickas on the podiums.

sorry, i guess i’ll go to the anonymous posts from now on.

you just wasted 30 seconds outta our lives for that link. If I’m ever in a break with you, I’ll be lookin to collect!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhjYQFDNXps

props to the first guy to cross the line on a wheelie

At least the guys in the first video had some skills. And the music?! Kill me. Shoot me. BikeJerks?

These little towns upstate should be happy to have us show up. Imagine if 200 of those hipsters rolled in?

Very confused about pancakes.

Yea….I heard from many riders that the town is a complete washout. Absolutely nothin goin on other than the race. totally boring. no where to go to even get a “titty bump”!

1) Kids hate lycra. Kids like big ass shorts, skate shoes, and Mountain Dew. 2) Road Racing is really boring unless you’re racing. This’ll never change. So let’s adapt and figure out how to support great races.

however, imagine for a moment Liz Hatch bouncing in and out of a half pipe.

No question, i could not do it. Wouldnt even try. I guess they are cool to be able to do it, but Im not glued to the TV channel surfing for the girls BMX world champs on a Sun afternoon either. Sorry.

ugh. boring.

jo mama, spank yo-self
I love dem bmx girls

Like there are road cyclists out there worth watching (coke heads and dopers), don’t mistake the quality, if it were easy even you could do it, you don’t have any balls! I bet those bmx girls would totally kick your butt!

are the esg results from saturday. where the hell are they?

best results ever!

http://www.njbikeracing.com/files/2008/high-bridge.pdf

Did USAC shoot themselves in the foot by having the masters nats go up against Fitchburg?

http://television.aol.com/tvtop5/kates-new-man-the-view/2142885;jsessionid=2780E826AF6D5D3439928018B38EE526

It might turn out to be a shame they took two really good races and wrapped them into what might end up a giant disappointment while taking out another race in the process.

Jill Kinter is so fu*king cool. Is she riding in in the city tonight ?

Harriman was *once* the last weekend in April. That’s not its “old date”.

The race has been the mother’s day weekend for years – a long time ago it was a two-day with races on Saturday and Sunday. Later it became a one-day with just Sunday. I don’t know why and as a racer Saturday would work a little better for me. But to call a race with mainly quality fields that are mainly full a “fiasco” is just dopey.

Now, I don’t know whether the comment about what that police chief said about Palmer/Sturbride are true or not, but I’d like to hear who specificially heard that.

If the promoters of Giro Di Jersey want a successfully race they will keep registration open until late next week. Especially for P1-2.

What other mainstream cool company is promoting like this guy…he gets it…dudes on Ebay are buying kits for over 300 bones. Marketing people…Buzz…style…marketing. Guy ain’t stupid. Local riders should be thrilled this guy got involved…freaking dedciating pages on his website and his fashion site to bike racing. Fantastic

I like their style

http://www.rockracing.com/races/harlemrocks/index.php

what a lame-a55 sport this has turned into. boonen gets booted from the tdf for a little blow … wha? are you kidding me? guy’s a rock star … belgium chicks be lining up to give the guy a titty bump

I second that up here at Bear Mtn.

i heard that michael ball will be racing in the cat 4 field

These bike races are a waste of resources. Also the racers are to damn cheap to buy anything in our crappy little town. Therefore Palmer Sturbridge is cancelled.

glad I could give you an opening to be obnoxious Cranky

Sunday should be the most fun cycling day in NYC in this century and will rank among the best in the city in the last 50 years.

Can someone pls explain why having coke in his system a few days before a race didn’t amount to perf enhancement? If it stays in the blood for a few days, won’t it stimulate the HR?!?!

Did anyone see Hincapie’s win at the Dauphine yesterday? 10 k to go, he hears in the radio that Greipel idoesn’t have it, so he gets to the front and escapes ala a Cancellara (with a Gerolsteiner guy helping, though) in the last ks. Great win.

Once again, we should all give thanks that in NYC during the height of the season one can race 2 to 4 races a week (including track), all accessible without a car. Many have been run continuously for decades.

And many more great races within 3 hours of the city.

this situation, where one promoter goes up in smoke and everyone for hundreds of miles around is screwed, underscores that.

Go blow a goat. You are so freaking annoying…

i was kidding about charlie i and AVD.

but also what about the dieter vs. USA cycling situation. why so much intrigue?

I would def continue to attend any race that Ruoff promotes – they are always well done. Still, the apparent lack of control over his business, exhibited by co-mingling personal and business accounts and going deep into arrears ahead of events does show a fairly shocking level of poor business practice. That along with the possible inclusion of an asset (trailer) into the business listed as an asset when it was owned by the bank financed by a personal loan again underscores his need to get his act together if he gets back into a new promotion gig. Not that bike promoters are supposed to be famously astute business people, but this guy acts like he is running a lemonde stand with third grade skills.

Without doubt, though, the Butterworth dude sounds as slippery as his name. Wouldnt trust him as far as I could throw him. The Wiswell account kinda seals any last shread of trust that one might extend the guy after this Ruoff story. I wouldnt attend his race if it had a $500k prize. No way. If it were the last bike race in the region, id sooner do the Tour de Spoon and hope somebody else got into bike race promotion the next year.

was the chameleon club where they had all those striaght edge hardcore shows?

RRR probably had to remove the post because of (gulp) litigation?
Maybe this thing will go to court.

retard? shitbag?

this one is nice:

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid.
Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the
stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are
trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that
even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect
can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid.
You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year.
Quasar stupid.

cool

There is no link, Retard…

Not Cancelled – Already happened in April

no one really coming to the defense of Butterworth. I’m reading nothing but post after post of pissed off riders and community sponsers on the subject.

So Lee, to which do you attribute your 87th place at the FBF TT: the quantity or quality or the local racers?

Follow the link above to Wiswell’s blog entry. Butterworth responds with the following:

Well David it’s certainly unfortunate to read your account of things. As I wrote in my article to Fixed Gear Fever, I thought each of the 3 American teams had one good night; no one left with bragging rights over another at Dortmund. I remember giving you a water bottle after one or two races and I’m the one who helped Jackie stop on the back-stretch when he had a flat tire. I never represented to anyone that you or Jackie or Austin or Guy were my riders. I did have two teams there though, both an American team and a British/Belgian team. On several occasions I’ve offered to help you or have us work together, but you’ve declined. You weren’t in Munich so I don’t know where you get your information, but we actually had 2 invitations and because our Belgian rider had another obligation we could only bring Adrian and Brian, our American team. USA Cycling was there on their own invitation. Our guys went on to Geneva to race which I had encouraged you (through Jackie’s father) to do as well. I understand all of the Americans, you, Jackie, Adrian, and Brian raced very well and the teams were exactly tied after 3 days; the tie was broken by your better finish in the last sprint. It’s hard to call any of that embarrassing in Geneva or beforehand for Adrian and Brian. Just sour grapes and total lies.

Mrs. Butterworth.
A little sticky though compared to real maple syrup.

for sure influence my travel.

Is it so hard?

From Wiswell:
“While USA Cycling and ourselves were duking it out to be the top American team, David Butterworth was behind the scenes spinning his own little web. His riders were getting their heads kicked in each night. They were missing exchanges and getting lapped again and again every race. Rather than trying to get his riders back on track and salvage whatever was left, Butterworth, unbeknownst to his riders, turned his back on them. First, a German fan came and spoke to Guy about living in Indianapolis (Guy

I would love to be able to do PP races more often but coming from 30 minutes away I have to wake up at 4:30am to get to the race ready to go. I get home then at 10am without traffic and now have like 3 hours of sleep in me. Plus, as nice as PP and CP are at times, the course and NYC racing gets old. Its nice to try out different course with different racers. Totally diff vibe in MA/VT/upstate NY vs NJ and NYC. I just hope the great regional classics survive (Battenkill, Jiminy, Tokeneke, Unionvale, Capital Region etc).

is a necessity. Some of us have lives, relationships, and families to maintain. What’s wrong with waking up at the ass-crack dawn, putting in a few intense miles and then having your day start at 9am. Everyone involved is happy.
It has nothing to do with manhood or fitness prowess, just maintaining life with balance.
Let keep some perspective here.

Registration in out of town events is down because all the racers who got into the sport thanks to Lance have begun to realize that they actually have no talent for cycling. Instead, they race closer to home. You see them placing in b races in Central and cat 4 races in Prospect every weekend.

Registration seems down for sure due to gas prices and the economy. Jiminy was not full, Battenkill did not fill the Cat 3, Lake Placid which seems to be a killer course has noone registered due to the distance. Sad because these out of town races will stop if noone goes. Then we will have like 300 guys trying to fill 100 spots for PP races at the ass crack of dawn.

More on the casualty list of races gone by:

http://www.telegram.com/article/20080530/NEWS/805300707/1116

For the best for me anyway. When gas is $6/ gallon next year, I should be riding and racing in Prospect that weekend anyway.

I do not get this forum. You sensor stupid comments about people on this site (posts taken down etc) and now you have essentially created an argument designed to defame this Butterworth clown. I do not know him and he sounds like a dilweed but this argument seems to be a bit dangerous to your site on many levels. Just my 2cents…

The Christiana Stage 2 Time Trial was epic. Best TT course in the region in my opinion. Dwarfs Harriman and Cpk in terms of technicality and scenic vista. Its too bad that the people of that community will take a hit this summer with the loss of tourism and all. I think someone will wise up for 09′ after the realization of the loss of revenue sinks in at the end of 08′.

While I applaud Hincapie’s win in the Dauphine, you gotta wonder what’s up with those black socks…

i’m guessing long winded, weird accusations on your website don’t help you much in a lawsuit.

I’m going to miss the Shoofly Pie and Scrapple, but not the weekend traffic in Lancaster.
By the way, fix the title.

I will miss racing in Intercourse.