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The Mitchell Report broke today, making explicit what we knew all along.
Topics to discuss:
What’s the deal with not punishing anyone named?
Will the American public care, or will baseball chug along business as usual?
Is this a good day for cycling? A sad day for all?
Can you believe some as solid and upright as John Rocker could ever take steroids?
What was José Canseco doing there? Did he mistake the presser for a strip club?
what is that?
what is about that?
are on all kinds of pharmaceuticals that are unnecessary and harmful. Intelligent people avoid pharmaceuticals like the plague.
Thank you
the whole freakin united states is on drugs- soccor moms take their zoloft, dads take their viagra, kids take their ADD meds, fuckups smoke their meth and athletes take whatever.
People will stop cheating in Sport when they stop cheating on their wives and taxes. Which is never. So don’t stop it. It’s just Sport. Just change the rules and they are no longer cheating. Who cares?
yes, involving more doppers. good job…
a-hole Clemens off the home page already.
sure I was surprised to hear about Clemens because a million guys 50 years old throw 98 miles an hour!
Jesus rides beside me
He never buys any smokes
Hurry up, hurry up, ain’t you had enough of this stuff
Ashtray floors, dirty clothes, and filthy jokes
Good to see Lee back but that is revisionsist bull. The Tour was the Lance show and he got more Americans interested in cycling than everyone before and after added together and multiplied by 136. After no one watched the Giro and Vuelta without Lance, OLN dropped them. The sheen is off Lance a little now but it was a great show at the time.
what crap. let them dope, the smart ones like armstrong are always one step ahead anyway. guys like clemens, pettitte, both as dumb as a shoe with a combined era about equal to their combined IQ. A senate investigation for what as guys getting their balls blown up in iraq for fifty bucks a day, while these pampered babies throw balls in a kids game for millions and the adulation of fans for who they have nothing but contempt. I wish there was dope for scientists.
WHEN DID LEE COME BACK???!!
Frosted tips are good for all sport.
http://www.7bandits1cup.com
Rasmussen – guilty or just screwed?
Imagine the same scenario in baseball. Bottom of the 9th / Beckett gets yanked because he missed a steriod control.
This fight against drugs in sports looks like a band aid. The root of the problem is deeper then that, it has to do with the way we are raised.
I believe it will eventuallly disappear but not in our lifetime, so in the meantime I suggest we keep on talking about BS such as who does what in cp and who’s better then who in PP etc..
Most of those riders hangin with lance AT MOSTLY ALL OF THE TdF contentions were dope heads it seems. Most of them tested positive so…
It was no fun seeing him and the small handful of the same ole’s every year. It sucked. The Lance-less tour wasnt dope free either but it appeared that the landscape was much more wide-open than in years past making it more exciting – albeit a different group of dopers surfaced, its becoming apparent that the more they catch – the better the tour will be to watch.
I always felt that the last 5 years of the Giro were much better to watch than the Tour. Of course I wouldnt say they were clean. Its was just refreshing to see different riders stepping up and I’ll admit that its possible that their performances were tainted but until there is lab proof, I will not vilify them online or anywhere else. That attitude is the very core of the cycling PR problem.
so you think that the guys lance was whooping in the tour as well as the guys winning the giro were clean. uh huh.
I would concur that our sport has a serious PR problem when it comes to dealing with drug cheats. Perhaps not being quick to go to print really doesnt help.
Waiting for all test results from a lab that knows what its doing is a step in the right direction. At the end of the day, a media announcing of someone that cheated is fair game in my book, and it goes along with the bed you make must be laid upon.
“…Sponsorships will come back, teams will expand, racers will make more money, and skinny white dudes with big lungs can finally get a piece of the Dream.”
Athletes were not digging going to a race where there were (2) speeds – normal and doper! sweeping things under a rug disenfranchised the many that were racing clean + sent a fck’d up msg to the juniors. True the sport was growing but not in a positive direction if you look at the big picture.
Cyclists and doping takes on a whole new risk in terms of health and safety. Guys having heart issues, blackouts @ 40mph, and not to mention the blantantly obvious unfairness of competition. I would agree that the more even the playing field the more exciting the sport is to the viewer AND the competitor.
I dont know about you guys but I grew sick of the same ole dopers going to the front @ every race. Thats why I was so glad the lance era ended. The tour was a huge bore while the Giro was completely engaging.
Doping will always be somewhat unique to cycling because cylcing is the only sport that pretends to care. And that’s why cycling is become less of a money maker while baseball and football franchises are more valuable than ever before. Look at Arod’s big ass deals.
The UCI should get with the program and sweep this stuff under the carpet. Sponsorshiops will come back, teams will expand, racers will make more money, and skinny white dudes with big lungs can finally get a piece of the Dream.
Bush seemed to be surprised and disapointed to hear there was drugs in baseball.
I wonder how he’s gonna feel when he finds out there’s a war in Iraq.
Bush seemed to be surprised and disapointed to hear there was drugs in baseball.
I wonder how he’s gonna feel when he finds out there’s a war in Iraq.
Bush seemed to be surprised and disapointed to hear there was drugs in baseball.
I wonder how he’s gonna feel when he finds out there’s a war in Iraq.
Bush seemed to be surprised and disapointed to hear there was drugs in baseball.
I wonder how he’s gonna feel when he finds out there’s a war in Iraq.
http://www.2girls1cup.com
Bush seemed to be surprised and disapointed to hear there was drugs in baseball.
I wonder how he’s gonna feel when he finds out there’s a war in Iraq.
Are you arguing that drugs should be legal in competition? Maybe you should say what you mean rather than blowing smoke.
imagine a similar investigation of the NFL… it would cease to exist.
Every popular sport has dopers. Whatever. Can we move on now? Must we dwell on it and reinforce our suspicions? I always took the term ‘bike geek’ in jest, but seriously, you are real geeks.
Arguing about nothing and making no progress or difference.
I’ll see you at the podium
That means he (the fan) cares.
what are the nyvelocity rules? It’s ok to accuse AROD but not local cyclists. Actually most local rumors pan out and there is more knowledge than malicious speculation.
I guess you have a point, I didn’t catch that one. So let’s say I should’ve deleted that one, but now to prove that I was wrong, I have to leave it up.
clemens is not an attractive man…
Keep it short and sweet.
Perhaps, Noam – Naom? – but there is also something in all of us that rebels at the over-technologized understanding of the human being. We have come to understand ourselves as so much raw material waiting to be used up, so much potential waiting to be exploited and maximized, so many processes needing to be streamlined and made as ruthlessly efficient as possible. The quest for efficiency is the modern raison d’etre.
Training with power and taking multivitamins are perfectly consistent with this mission, as is steroid use. However, we draw a line somewhere along that continuum; arbitrary though it may be, it is nonetheless a real line, illustrating our unwillingness to let ourselves slip too far down the slope of technical nihilism. We train the technological view on our own being, hone our bodies according to specific plans, measure the nutrients in our food, and so on, but always hold fast against the onslaught of technology, lest we come to forget ourselves, to treat our own being as that of the machine, the tool, the means to an end.
Sport will survive this crisis, so long as we do. The spirit of honorable competition hearkens back to an earlier and now once again latent morality in which the measure of a man is his fellow man, his hated competition, not some tool or measure used to quantify and extract energy from the physical body in a systematic way.
The way out is through. Those laboring within the framework that serves to objectify and exploit will destroy themselves; they will leave the sport, frustrated by their inability to generate the requisite “power,” their failure to control everything around them; they will ingest substances which will cause them to grow bitch-tits, and will be forced out. Those who remain will carry the ancient torch forward and bestow the gift of competition upon the next generation. Human beings will continue to kick the shit out of each other in the purest tradition of athletics.
To close, we recall the immortal Cuba Gooding Jr., whose words ring true in this dark hour, and indeed, for all time: “I’m wearing your underwear. That you gave me to wear.”
everyone in every sport has been screwing around for years and years. Its almost as if you have to dope just to keep up with the worst of your competition. Im not in anyway supporting this practice. IM just saying that the people that come in second third and worse porbably have the same crap in thier system.
Frosted tips are good for all sport.
Americans don’t care, they are tired from spending too much time at work. When they get home they want a show, they want to be entertained.
american sports fans are (by and large) hypocrites. they spend the last few years writing off cycling and its pros as a bunch of dopers who should be punished for cheating, and now that the heat is on a sport they love its a whole different story. its hilarious
Americans don’t care, they are tired from spending too much time at work. When they get home they want a show, they want to be entertained.
I doubt the average baseball fan cares that much about drugs in baseball. Oddly, that same fan, who could care less about cycling, seems to get all uppity and indignant about drugs in cycling.
I meant “their”
for the spelling police
Just the tip of the iceberg. Guess
ARod never got some stuff from Radomski. Just like cycling, if you dealt with Fuentes, you got caught, if you dealt with Rerrari , you’re a hero.
I am not sure if the release of a big list of guys is better or worse. At first my reaction is like , Wow everyones doing it.. Then my reaction is like Yawn, everyones doing it. By releasing the list it somehow doesn’t make it so sinister, it kind of destracts from any kind of individual responsibility.
I feel in cycling individual riders have paid such a price when they are caught, there lives are thrown into turmoil. I guess we’ll see how this plays out.
somehow, as big of announcement it is, it doesn’t seem so earth shattering.
Cycling is a clean sport relative to this charade
but i am actually excited about this report. doping in sport is bad, but i think this really puts cycling’s “doping problem” is not unique. i think that we may be on the edge of a moment in all sports where we see how doped up so many athletes were in the late 90’s and early 2000’s. maybe sports will start to clean up.
at the very least, i think this may help cycling over the next couple years in repairing its image, especially here in the states, as doping is not only a problem in our sport. it is likely to make the public more forgiving for sports where athletes are driven to cheat by doping.
i really hope i am right. i am sure there are potential negative fallouts for cycling from the mitchell report, but i am going to try and stay positive in the meantime.
TO all (DE)base-ball fans —
i know, it’s just a game but when you are told, “you better get better numbers up on the board!” you begin to watch your career flash before you and EUREKA, HGH is the solution and all the values you grew up with when you were a kid, dissolve – GUILTY! – i don’t want to be a role model anymore, my muscles are shrinking and I’ve got (.)(.)
some of the stigma about cycling is removed. Potential sponsors won’t be dismissive of cycling as the druggie sport now, but that doesn’t mean they’ll sign on. Effect on baseball’s bottom line will be minimal.
Remember that campaign by MLB to get more asses in the seats. How do you think we got more balls going out of the park?
I knew what was going on and it was good for business.
Bwaahahaahaaaa!
Swifty
The Mitchell Report only verified what was already known. I’d guess around 80% of players have used some sort of performance enhancement drugs to get a competitive edge. Bud Selig knew about the drug issue, but the popularity of the Home Run has taken Baseball to knew profit levels. Remember when Sammy and McGuire were in the Home Run race? Imagine how much money that generated. With the unveiling of A-Rod’s drug use we will see the MLB top brass do anything about this issue.
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Corey M.
DUI lawyer