Today’s argument is short and sweet—well not very sweet, but plenty short. Next year, will the most unemployed team be the strongest?
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Anonymous
empire in the park, empire out of town!
Anonymous
Will they pool their unemployment/severence checks, move into a burned-out warehouse in Red Hook, and connect their trainers to the grid to power their 3-walled training squat? Sponsored by Tahitian Treet “energy drink” and Saltine “energy wafers”?
Anonymous
hot new team: lehman brothers/circuit city presented by GM
Anonymous
Citi/AIG Presented by Big Auto.
Their daily stipend for food is only $6 but apparently the team can use the corporate jet to travel to local races and if you happen to break a toilet seat somewhere they’ll reimburse you $500 to replace it.
Anonymous
means you train longer but can’t buy any equipment
Anonymous
Hookers & Lobbyists
Anonymous
i’d rather have half decent fitness and collect a steady paycheck, thank you very much.
hang in there & good luck to all in these interesting times.
Anonymous
I hate it when its the same guys who have all the luck. Some guy will be winning all the races, and be able to hide out in med school, or make a huge bonus in his hedge fund/ law firm/ investment bank. I’ll save my hate for that guy.
Anonymous
winning races is not luck. not getting laid off is.
Anonymous
I was out of work for a little over a year (recently got a part time gig in my field). I thought the extra time to train and rest would translate to better cycling, but truthfully, I had a lousy season. I think the stress and lack of confidence from being unemployed combined with the guilt of having my wife support me had a negative effect on my training that more than countered the extra training time/rest.
Anonymous
Ha Ha! Wheelsucker for president!
Anonymous
unless you’re a pro training 5 or 6 hours a day, not having a job doesn’t really help a whole lot, as long as it’s not a psycho stressful, 70 hour per week, stand on you feet kind of deal.
Anonymous
“Seriously though” hit the nail square on the head. Bravo!
Really, what are we shooting for, a “successful” season in a category other than pro (or even a reasonably paid cat 1)? If you take yourself that seriously, then here’s to you, Sprinting for Eighth Place in Category Four Carbon Fiber Spokes Man!
Anonymous
Having been laid-off myself, I can tell you that it makes you slower. Racing is escapism for working people who hate or might not like their jobs.
Anonymous
Having been laid-off myself, I can tell you that it makes you slower. Racing is escapism for working people who hate or might not like their jobs.
Anonymous
Seriously Though has it right. I’ve been out of work all year, and job prospects lately don’t look so hot. Having free time (and a payout package) let me train seriously and do Floyd regularly last summer, enough to learn how badly I suck on that course. Too guilty to spend money going to races out of town. Conclusion: a job would certainly make me a better racer and a much happier husband.
Anonymous
You hear it all the time. Guys who have tons of time to train end up futzing around while those with very limited windows tend to make the best use of that time.
Sure I’d like a few more hours each week to train, but not at the expense of my other, more important, commitments.
That being said, who’s gonna man up and race the rollers next week?
It’s Crash-tastic!!
Brian G.
Anonymous
Life is what you make it. If you want more time to train you can take a job with lower stress and equally lower pay (think bike shop guys, bartenders, etc).
It’s kind of a methaphor for this site… Would the content be any better if Schmalz, Andy, and Alex had corporate banking jobs? No, it would blow. Luckily they are all creative guys with equally creative and flexible schedules… And Dan is still mid-pack fodder, though faster than me.
Anonymous
JAR had a bunch of dudes go through joblessness this year and look at their results…
Anonymous
their kits looked good.
Anonymous
I was paying them a compliment. Some of the guys on that team had really good seasons.
Anonymous
one guy set a world masters track hour record if i remember correctly. that’s huge!
he must be a mortgage trader, channeling market rage into forward momentum!
Anonymous
yes. the garmin guys were all analysts at bear last year. they are gonna SUCK this year.
Anonymous
i think they are all employed now. we’ll see what happens next year.
Anonymous
Hey, when I wasnt working for over a year, I was able to train in middle of the day, take a nap afterwards, and most importantly, not miss many training days at all. I got much faster and better through the period. Now, with a tough full time job, its a struggle to get good training in at all, and I miss a lot of days – the real killer even more than training “quality”. No question, its a matter of job intensity. The best riders have a job, but just not a “hard” job – freelance, flex hours etc. You think older guys like Ken H would be so fast if he worked from 7-7 5 dys a week? Ah, no Sir.
One key for me was that I wasnt married. I sympathize with the guys who feel stress from no job – it isnt the job or lack thereof, but the stress from family that causes the problem. Single unemployed guys get fast – married guys with kids and no job get slow and stressed.
Anonymous
Most people can’t handle back to back 20 (or even 15/16) hour weeks without seriously risking burnout. I think a lot of guys are coming at this in their late 20s and 30s. You’re going to need to accept some limitations. Instead of overtraining, maybe try applying for more jobs … especially ones that will offer you a flexible schedule. You can be extremely competitive by taking a couple days off during the base and build periods to really lay on the volume. And if you make $s, you can actually afford to visit someplace warm.
Anonymous
hey you can always marshall in prospect
Anonymous
that would be too stressful
Anonymous
IT must pay well, Atwood drives a BMW.
Anonymous
That wasn’t Alan’s – that was the first-place trophy at the Staten CX C race
Anonymous
I went thru a spat of looking for work in Dec.04-Feb-05 (yep christmas lay-off) My first racing season with skyline was a nightmare! I was in great shape in Oct.04. The stress really takes its toll + the confidence factor cannot be ignored. I was never really the same after pushing thru that season. I made a lot of mistakes with training. That was also the time when Charlie Upton was just sorta gettin the coaching launched and alot of my teammates could afford it when I was barely able to keep my apt.
My recent unemployment lay-off has found me in L.A. – I just found an apartment and so the stresses are going by the wayside (a little) The job search will be more involved. I hope to do some racing out here and so fortunately the weather isnt a stumbling block.
-lee3
Anonymous
Agree. Being laid off takes it’s toll on your head and mustering enthusiasm to work out, especially if one has family responsibilities. You question your priorities, even if you have more free time. Although, once one experiences the forbidden fruit of CP mid day, mid week, it’s hard to go back to working out before the sun comes up or goes down. Especially during winter. A successful freelance business is a nice balance.
Anonymous
Or you could just launch an NYC-based cycling gossip site and make millions. Schmalz doesn’t just rent High School Musical for his kids. He pays Zac, Vanessa and the Tiz to come on over and recreate the entire jamboree in the living room. Costs a mint.
Anonymous
pimpin ain’t easy.
schmalz
You’re going to make the Jonas Brothers upset, they thought they had the gig at my house.
Anonymous
new reality show: “dancing with the schmalz.”
Anonymous
“Zac, Vanessa and the Tiz …”
Lost me with the High School Musical character references…
Anonymous
the best solution is to be self employed/freelance/work from home…at least when it’s going well.
you can pop out for a mid day ride and feel good about it, and not have to answer to anyone. But too much economic stress fux everything up if biz is not going so well…like, now.
Anonymous
Lee3 – what do you do? Job wise ?
Andy
Yes, freelance is great. Even better, freelance and single. School pickups and dropoffs are a huge time suck.
Hungry Cyclist was the most valuable column ever on this site. Wish it would come back. We miss you Aaron.
Anonymous
admits to “intention” of doping after bags of blood are IDed, serves a convoluted suspension as he did still race in that period, the 2 years rule should really be 2 full road seasons (and then some)…
but I really want to know why he should be “welcomed” back without even a helpful hint on the “omerta” or “trade” that exists in this spectacle we call pro cycling???
How helpful are the team/independent testers, or valid the UCI/WADA methods when more and more continue to find ways around the blood profile???
UCI/Cyclingnews dont reply, to my suggestion that a counter-intelligence operation would be the best way…infiltrate with a “pro”, maybe at the end of their career, or caught and forced to inform on the system, WHILE STILL RACING???
anyway, back to the Astana news conference, or what ever else has been previously scheduled for mass consumption…
Anonymous
have always thought my blather was the best thing about this site.
But that’s just me.
Who’s racing rollers on Tuesday night – I’m just getting over the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder of last year’s (mis)adventure and am looking to bash my fragile psyche and body again.
Brian G.
Aaron
And maybe for some writing again sometime.
Anonymous
your just waiting to write up the post new year’s day race report
New Year’s Day Century – outside – cold, frozen, screaming at the bike….
Highlight of last year’s century – stopping on the way back at a little deli to warm up and having the disapproving owner stand next to us and mop the puddles of water collecting at our feet.
You’re mine this year, Wolfe…
MINE!!
Brian G.
Aaron
I’ll be in the desert.
Anonymous
He figured out way to make thousands of dollars a week from the comfort OF YOUR OWN BEDROOM. This, people, is the pefect job for cyclists. And the client never stops in a recession. Yes!
Anonymous
i donate my epo-rich blood to pro tour teams. pay’s pretty good.
Anonymous
Architect / proj.mngr
Anonymous
we all know the best racers and teams are mostly made of sub $25K a year earners, with no real careers and most likely still live with their parents even into their 30’s. They don’t own a car, and if so its a piece of shit. These guys are usually socially inept (retarded) and would be diagnosed with autism given todays lucrative and far reaching net cast by the revenue hungry world of academia.
Anonymous
that is so well put. bravo.
Anonymous
excuse of the day for inferior DNA
Anonymous
don’t hate because you got 17th place in your last cat 5 crit.
besides, my mom makes better meatloaf than your mom.
cheers.
Anonymous
so you must REALLY hate the rich guys who win then, cause what’s their excuse?
Anonymous
mom MEEEEEEEATLOAF!
Anonymous
my mommy packs my musette bag, AND hands it to me on harlem hill when i race in central park. dad gives me an extra $5 in my allowance when i finish in the top 10.
Anonymous
if you can’t get a really nice car doing something, then it’s obviously a stupid thing to try and do. if you do things that don’t result in ownership of a really excellent car, you could probably be diagnosed autistic (by the far reaching web of profit hungry academia, obviously).
Anonymous
car with “get laid”
Anonymous
would the fine readership here accept a job that, due to professional/time demands, would all but eliminate serious training and leave time for just casual weekend riding? discuss…
Anonymous
no.
Anonymous
a good portion of the fine readership would probably accept whatever you’re offering.
Anonymous
i practically do that anyway
Anonymous
this sport takes way too much time.
i wonder how many marriages are BETTER because of that!?!?
Anonymous
Next year, will the most single team of bachelors be the strongest?
Anonymous
the strongest team will be pissed off husbands whose wives are even more pissed off that they can’t order delivery from nobu 57 for the kitty cat, now that hubby’s hedge fund blew up. that’s allota angst, man, enough to fly a 53×12 up harlem hill…
Anonymous
Happy single guys have no reason to get up at 4:30AM on a Saturday to race in CP. They wake up in a haze at 10, burp, fart and try to remember the name of the girl passed out nest to them in bed.
They can also be found in front of you in the out of town races that start at human hours.
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empire in the park, empire out of town!
Will they pool their unemployment/severence checks, move into a burned-out warehouse in Red Hook, and connect their trainers to the grid to power their 3-walled training squat? Sponsored by Tahitian Treet “energy drink” and Saltine “energy wafers”?
hot new team: lehman brothers/circuit city presented by GM
Citi/AIG Presented by Big Auto.
Their daily stipend for food is only $6 but apparently the team can use the corporate jet to travel to local races and if you happen to break a toilet seat somewhere they’ll reimburse you $500 to replace it.
means you train longer but can’t buy any equipment
Hookers & Lobbyists
i’d rather have half decent fitness and collect a steady paycheck, thank you very much.
hang in there & good luck to all in these interesting times.
I hate it when its the same guys who have all the luck. Some guy will be winning all the races, and be able to hide out in med school, or make a huge bonus in his hedge fund/ law firm/ investment bank. I’ll save my hate for that guy.
winning races is not luck. not getting laid off is.
I was out of work for a little over a year (recently got a part time gig in my field). I thought the extra time to train and rest would translate to better cycling, but truthfully, I had a lousy season. I think the stress and lack of confidence from being unemployed combined with the guilt of having my wife support me had a negative effect on my training that more than countered the extra training time/rest.
Ha Ha! Wheelsucker for president!
unless you’re a pro training 5 or 6 hours a day, not having a job doesn’t really help a whole lot, as long as it’s not a psycho stressful, 70 hour per week, stand on you feet kind of deal.
“Seriously though” hit the nail square on the head. Bravo!
Really, what are we shooting for, a “successful” season in a category other than pro (or even a reasonably paid cat 1)? If you take yourself that seriously, then here’s to you, Sprinting for Eighth Place in Category Four Carbon Fiber Spokes Man!
Having been laid-off myself, I can tell you that it makes you slower. Racing is escapism for working people who hate or might not like their jobs.
Having been laid-off myself, I can tell you that it makes you slower. Racing is escapism for working people who hate or might not like their jobs.
Seriously Though has it right. I’ve been out of work all year, and job prospects lately don’t look so hot. Having free time (and a payout package) let me train seriously and do Floyd regularly last summer, enough to learn how badly I suck on that course. Too guilty to spend money going to races out of town. Conclusion: a job would certainly make me a better racer and a much happier husband.
You hear it all the time. Guys who have tons of time to train end up futzing around while those with very limited windows tend to make the best use of that time.
Sure I’d like a few more hours each week to train, but not at the expense of my other, more important, commitments.
That being said, who’s gonna man up and race the rollers next week?
It’s Crash-tastic!!
Brian G.
Life is what you make it. If you want more time to train you can take a job with lower stress and equally lower pay (think bike shop guys, bartenders, etc).
It’s kind of a methaphor for this site… Would the content be any better if Schmalz, Andy, and Alex had corporate banking jobs? No, it would blow. Luckily they are all creative guys with equally creative and flexible schedules… And Dan is still mid-pack fodder, though faster than me.
JAR had a bunch of dudes go through joblessness this year and look at their results…
their kits looked good.
I was paying them a compliment. Some of the guys on that team had really good seasons.
one guy set a world masters track hour record if i remember correctly. that’s huge!
he must be a mortgage trader, channeling market rage into forward momentum!
yes. the garmin guys were all analysts at bear last year. they are gonna SUCK this year.
i think they are all employed now. we’ll see what happens next year.
Hey, when I wasnt working for over a year, I was able to train in middle of the day, take a nap afterwards, and most importantly, not miss many training days at all. I got much faster and better through the period. Now, with a tough full time job, its a struggle to get good training in at all, and I miss a lot of days – the real killer even more than training “quality”. No question, its a matter of job intensity. The best riders have a job, but just not a “hard” job – freelance, flex hours etc. You think older guys like Ken H would be so fast if he worked from 7-7 5 dys a week? Ah, no Sir.
One key for me was that I wasnt married. I sympathize with the guys who feel stress from no job – it isnt the job or lack thereof, but the stress from family that causes the problem. Single unemployed guys get fast – married guys with kids and no job get slow and stressed.
Most people can’t handle back to back 20 (or even 15/16) hour weeks without seriously risking burnout. I think a lot of guys are coming at this in their late 20s and 30s. You’re going to need to accept some limitations. Instead of overtraining, maybe try applying for more jobs … especially ones that will offer you a flexible schedule. You can be extremely competitive by taking a couple days off during the base and build periods to really lay on the volume. And if you make $s, you can actually afford to visit someplace warm.
hey you can always marshall in prospect
that would be too stressful
IT must pay well, Atwood drives a BMW.
That wasn’t Alan’s – that was the first-place trophy at the Staten CX C race
I went thru a spat of looking for work in Dec.04-Feb-05 (yep christmas lay-off) My first racing season with skyline was a nightmare! I was in great shape in Oct.04. The stress really takes its toll + the confidence factor cannot be ignored. I was never really the same after pushing thru that season. I made a lot of mistakes with training. That was also the time when Charlie Upton was just sorta gettin the coaching launched and alot of my teammates could afford it when I was barely able to keep my apt.
My recent unemployment lay-off has found me in L.A. – I just found an apartment and so the stresses are going by the wayside (a little) The job search will be more involved. I hope to do some racing out here and so fortunately the weather isnt a stumbling block.
-lee3
Agree. Being laid off takes it’s toll on your head and mustering enthusiasm to work out, especially if one has family responsibilities. You question your priorities, even if you have more free time. Although, once one experiences the forbidden fruit of CP mid day, mid week, it’s hard to go back to working out before the sun comes up or goes down. Especially during winter. A successful freelance business is a nice balance.
Or you could just launch an NYC-based cycling gossip site and make millions. Schmalz doesn’t just rent High School Musical for his kids. He pays Zac, Vanessa and the Tiz to come on over and recreate the entire jamboree in the living room. Costs a mint.
pimpin ain’t easy.
You’re going to make the Jonas Brothers upset, they thought they had the gig at my house.
new reality show: “dancing with the schmalz.”
“Zac, Vanessa and the Tiz …”
Lost me with the High School Musical character references…
the best solution is to be self employed/freelance/work from home…at least when it’s going well.
you can pop out for a mid day ride and feel good about it, and not have to answer to anyone. But too much economic stress fux everything up if biz is not going so well…like, now.
Lee3 – what do you do? Job wise ?
Yes, freelance is great. Even better, freelance and single. School pickups and dropoffs are a huge time suck.
https://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2007/fools-reward
Hungry Cyclist was the most valuable column ever on this site. Wish it would come back. We miss you Aaron.
admits to “intention” of doping after bags of blood are IDed, serves a convoluted suspension as he did still race in that period, the 2 years rule should really be 2 full road seasons (and then some)…
but I really want to know why he should be “welcomed” back without even a helpful hint on the “omerta” or “trade” that exists in this spectacle we call pro cycling???
How helpful are the team/independent testers, or valid the UCI/WADA methods when more and more continue to find ways around the blood profile???
UCI/Cyclingnews dont reply, to my suggestion that a counter-intelligence operation would be the best way…infiltrate with a “pro”, maybe at the end of their career, or caught and forced to inform on the system, WHILE STILL RACING???
anyway, back to the Astana news conference, or what ever else has been previously scheduled for mass consumption…
have always thought my blather was the best thing about this site.
But that’s just me.
Who’s racing rollers on Tuesday night – I’m just getting over the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder of last year’s (mis)adventure and am looking to bash my fragile psyche and body again.
Brian G.
And maybe for some writing again sometime.
your just waiting to write up the post new year’s day race report
Roller races – inside – hot, sweaty, getting screamed at….
New Year’s Day Century – outside – cold, frozen, screaming at the bike….
Highlight of last year’s century – stopping on the way back at a little deli to warm up and having the disapproving owner stand next to us and mop the puddles of water collecting at our feet.
You’re mine this year, Wolfe…
MINE!!
Brian G.
I’ll be in the desert.
He figured out way to make thousands of dollars a week from the comfort OF YOUR OWN BEDROOM. This, people, is the pefect job for cyclists. And the client never stops in a recession. Yes!
i donate my epo-rich blood to pro tour teams. pay’s pretty good.
Architect / proj.mngr
we all know the best racers and teams are mostly made of sub $25K a year earners, with no real careers and most likely still live with their parents even into their 30’s. They don’t own a car, and if so its a piece of shit. These guys are usually socially inept (retarded) and would be diagnosed with autism given todays lucrative and far reaching net cast by the revenue hungry world of academia.
that is so well put. bravo.
excuse of the day for inferior DNA
don’t hate because you got 17th place in your last cat 5 crit.
besides, my mom makes better meatloaf than your mom.
cheers.
so you must REALLY hate the rich guys who win then, cause what’s their excuse?
mom MEEEEEEEATLOAF!
my mommy packs my musette bag, AND hands it to me on harlem hill when i race in central park. dad gives me an extra $5 in my allowance when i finish in the top 10.
if you can’t get a really nice car doing something, then it’s obviously a stupid thing to try and do. if you do things that don’t result in ownership of a really excellent car, you could probably be diagnosed autistic (by the far reaching web of profit hungry academia, obviously).
car with “get laid”
would the fine readership here accept a job that, due to professional/time demands, would all but eliminate serious training and leave time for just casual weekend riding? discuss…
no.
a good portion of the fine readership would probably accept whatever you’re offering.
i practically do that anyway
this sport takes way too much time.
i wonder how many marriages are BETTER because of that!?!?
Next year, will the most single team of bachelors be the strongest?
the strongest team will be pissed off husbands whose wives are even more pissed off that they can’t order delivery from nobu 57 for the kitty cat, now that hubby’s hedge fund blew up. that’s allota angst, man, enough to fly a 53×12 up harlem hill…
Happy single guys have no reason to get up at 4:30AM on a Saturday to race in CP. They wake up in a haze at 10, burp, fart and try to remember the name of the girl passed out nest to them in bed.
They can also be found in front of you in the out of town races that start at human hours.