Laid off argument

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Today’s argument is short and sweet—well not very sweet, but plenty short. Next year, will the most unemployed team be the strongest?

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Anonymous

Will they pool their unemployment/severence checks, move into a burned-out warehouse in Red Hook, and connect their trainers to the grid to power their 3-walled training squat? Sponsored by Tahitian Treet “energy drink” and Saltine “energy wafers”?

Anonymous

Citi/AIG Presented by Big Auto.
Their daily stipend for food is only $6 but apparently the team can use the corporate jet to travel to local races and if you happen to break a toilet seat somewhere they’ll reimburse you $500 to replace it.

Anonymous

i’d rather have half decent fitness and collect a steady paycheck, thank you very much.

hang in there & good luck to all in these interesting times.

Anonymous

I hate it when its the same guys who have all the luck. Some guy will be winning all the races, and be able to hide out in med school, or make a huge bonus in his hedge fund/ law firm/ investment bank. I’ll save my hate for that guy.

Anonymous

I was out of work for a little over a year (recently got a part time gig in my field). I thought the extra time to train and rest would translate to better cycling, but truthfully, I had a lousy season. I think the stress and lack of confidence from being unemployed combined with the guilt of having my wife support me had a negative effect on my training that more than countered the extra training time/rest.

Anonymous

unless you’re a pro training 5 or 6 hours a day, not having a job doesn’t really help a whole lot, as long as it’s not a psycho stressful, 70 hour per week, stand on you feet kind of deal.

Anonymous

“Seriously though” hit the nail square on the head. Bravo!

Really, what are we shooting for, a “successful” season in a category other than pro (or even a reasonably paid cat 1)? If you take yourself that seriously, then here’s to you, Sprinting for Eighth Place in Category Four Carbon Fiber Spokes Man!

Anonymous

Having been laid-off myself, I can tell you that it makes you slower. Racing is escapism for working people who hate or might not like their jobs.

Anonymous

Having been laid-off myself, I can tell you that it makes you slower. Racing is escapism for working people who hate or might not like their jobs.

Anonymous

Seriously Though has it right. I’ve been out of work all year, and job prospects lately don’t look so hot. Having free time (and a payout package) let me train seriously and do Floyd regularly last summer, enough to learn how badly I suck on that course. Too guilty to spend money going to races out of town. Conclusion: a job would certainly make me a better racer and a much happier husband.

Anonymous

You hear it all the time. Guys who have tons of time to train end up futzing around while those with very limited windows tend to make the best use of that time.

Sure I’d like a few more hours each week to train, but not at the expense of my other, more important, commitments.

That being said, who’s gonna man up and race the rollers next week?

It’s Crash-tastic!!

Brian G.

Anonymous

Life is what you make it. If you want more time to train you can take a job with lower stress and equally lower pay (think bike shop guys, bartenders, etc).

It’s kind of a methaphor for this site… Would the content be any better if Schmalz, Andy, and Alex had corporate banking jobs? No, it would blow. Luckily they are all creative guys with equally creative and flexible schedules… And Dan is still mid-pack fodder, though faster than me.

Anonymous

one guy set a world masters track hour record if i remember correctly. that’s huge!

he must be a mortgage trader, channeling market rage into forward momentum!

Anonymous

Hey, when I wasnt working for over a year, I was able to train in middle of the day, take a nap afterwards, and most importantly, not miss many training days at all. I got much faster and better through the period. Now, with a tough full time job, its a struggle to get good training in at all, and I miss a lot of days – the real killer even more than training “quality”. No question, its a matter of job intensity. The best riders have a job, but just not a “hard” job – freelance, flex hours etc. You think older guys like Ken H would be so fast if he worked from 7-7 5 dys a week? Ah, no Sir.

One key for me was that I wasnt married. I sympathize with the guys who feel stress from no job – it isnt the job or lack thereof, but the stress from family that causes the problem. Single unemployed guys get fast – married guys with kids and no job get slow and stressed.

Anonymous

Most people can’t handle back to back 20 (or even 15/16) hour weeks without seriously risking burnout. I think a lot of guys are coming at this in their late 20s and 30s. You’re going to need to accept some limitations. Instead of overtraining, maybe try applying for more jobs … especially ones that will offer you a flexible schedule. You can be extremely competitive by taking a couple days off during the base and build periods to really lay on the volume. And if you make $s, you can actually afford to visit someplace warm.

Anonymous

I went thru a spat of looking for work in Dec.04-Feb-05 (yep christmas lay-off) My first racing season with skyline was a nightmare! I was in great shape in Oct.04. The stress really takes its toll + the confidence factor cannot be ignored. I was never really the same after pushing thru that season. I made a lot of mistakes with training. That was also the time when Charlie Upton was just sorta gettin the coaching launched and alot of my teammates could afford it when I was barely able to keep my apt.
My recent unemployment lay-off has found me in L.A. – I just found an apartment and so the stresses are going by the wayside (a little) The job search will be more involved. I hope to do some racing out here and so fortunately the weather isnt a stumbling block.

-lee3

Anonymous

Agree. Being laid off takes it’s toll on your head and mustering enthusiasm to work out, especially if one has family responsibilities. You question your priorities, even if you have more free time. Although, once one experiences the forbidden fruit of CP mid day, mid week, it’s hard to go back to working out before the sun comes up or goes down. Especially during winter. A successful freelance business is a nice balance.

Anonymous

Or you could just launch an NYC-based cycling gossip site and make millions. Schmalz doesn’t just rent High School Musical for his kids. He pays Zac, Vanessa and the Tiz to come on over and recreate the entire jamboree in the living room. Costs a mint.

Anonymous

the best solution is to be self employed/freelance/work from home…at least when it’s going well.
you can pop out for a mid day ride and feel good about it, and not have to answer to anyone. But too much economic stress fux everything up if biz is not going so well…like, now.

Andy

Yes, freelance is great. Even better, freelance and single. School pickups and dropoffs are a huge time suck.

Anonymous

admits to “intention” of doping after bags of blood are IDed, serves a convoluted suspension as he did still race in that period, the 2 years rule should really be 2 full road seasons (and then some)…
but I really want to know why he should be “welcomed” back without even a helpful hint on the “omerta” or “trade” that exists in this spectacle we call pro cycling???
How helpful are the team/independent testers, or valid the UCI/WADA methods when more and more continue to find ways around the blood profile???

UCI/Cyclingnews dont reply, to my suggestion that a counter-intelligence operation would be the best way…infiltrate with a “pro”, maybe at the end of their career, or caught and forced to inform on the system, WHILE STILL RACING???

anyway, back to the Astana news conference, or what ever else has been previously scheduled for mass consumption…

Anonymous

have always thought my blather was the best thing about this site.

But that’s just me.

Who’s racing rollers on Tuesday night – I’m just getting over the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder of last year’s (mis)adventure and am looking to bash my fragile psyche and body again.

Brian G.

Anonymous

Roller races – inside – hot, sweaty, getting screamed at….

New Year’s Day Century – outside – cold, frozen, screaming at the bike….

Highlight of last year’s century – stopping on the way back at a little deli to warm up and having the disapproving owner stand next to us and mop the puddles of water collecting at our feet.

You’re mine this year, Wolfe…

MINE!!

Brian G.

Anonymous

He figured out way to make thousands of dollars a week from the comfort OF YOUR OWN BEDROOM. This, people, is the pefect job for cyclists. And the client never stops in a recession. Yes!

Anonymous

we all know the best racers and teams are mostly made of sub $25K a year earners, with no real careers and most likely still live with their parents even into their 30’s. They don’t own a car, and if so its a piece of shit. These guys are usually socially inept (retarded) and would be diagnosed with autism given todays lucrative and far reaching net cast by the revenue hungry world of academia.

Anonymous

don’t hate because you got 17th place in your last cat 5 crit.

besides, my mom makes better meatloaf than your mom.

cheers.

Anonymous

my mommy packs my musette bag, AND hands it to me on harlem hill when i race in central park. dad gives me an extra $5 in my allowance when i finish in the top 10.

Anonymous

if you can’t get a really nice car doing something, then it’s obviously a stupid thing to try and do. if you do things that don’t result in ownership of a really excellent car, you could probably be diagnosed autistic (by the far reaching web of profit hungry academia, obviously).

Anonymous

would the fine readership here accept a job that, due to professional/time demands, would all but eliminate serious training and leave time for just casual weekend riding? discuss…

Anonymous

the strongest team will be pissed off husbands whose wives are even more pissed off that they can’t order delivery from nobu 57 for the kitty cat, now that hubby’s hedge fund blew up. that’s allota angst, man, enough to fly a 53×12 up harlem hill…

Anonymous

Happy single guys have no reason to get up at 4:30AM on a Saturday to race in CP. They wake up in a haze at 10, burp, fart and try to remember the name of the girl passed out nest to them in bed.
They can also be found in front of you in the out of town races that start at human hours.

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