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PDF of flyer available here.
Auction items will be the following:
Personalized signed Yellow Jersey
Personalized signed Phonak jersey
Personalized signed boxed Jack Daniels
Focused Floyd Personalized signed 5X7
Signed lithograph poster
Personalized signed time trial poster (Saris)
“High Impact Quotations†selected by Dick Pound, autographed by Floyd Landis
Anyone have more discriptive directions on getting to this by train?
GUILTY!!
I am going on a pill or medication STRIKE!!! No more pills for this no more medication for that just good old fashioned warm water salt gargling, lemon & honey, brandy and tea… WBR LeoP
Any idea what the GC overalls will go for?
It will be pretty cool to own Landis’ overalls.
Thanks for the tip Dave. Now i’ll have to go to put my bid in.
1 stop on the L-train, str-dufus!
Thanks Dave, now will someone translate that post please?
i was at the tour of california
in 1971 (true) and 2006 (reality),
and i wear my kissena jacket
in san francisco and san jose,
(on the kings of the mountains),
where kissena’s george took a win,
and pennsylvania floyd won the tt
(and the GC overalls,
in a race without california’s mountains)
i can’t wait to see ivan basso in sierra road
If you look at the picture on the top of the Trust But Verify site (that follows the FL case) http://trustbut.blogspot.com you’ll see a Kissena jacketed spectator watching the Tour of California — anyone know who that is?
Brian
will there be food at the FFF event?
either included or for sale?
That Kissena jacket is Rufus Pichler. Our own Jens Voight.
English style lunch will be available.
Yeah. the Brooklyn Porter is a whole meal.
Two pints if you’re real hungry.
Bitch all you want to there in Brokklyn, LOTS of us would love to go and show our support, but you’re too freakin’ far away! So shut up and go or not, whatever!
good post…..to bad it was cloaked!
Good point
If you have a "personal or moral" objection to attending the FFF event, don’t you also have an issue participating in cycling (when it is so controversy filled)? Or even reading this web site? Situational ethics (at best) to be okay with some but not other cycling situations. Going to the FFF event is about supporting something local.
So ESPN is wrong in their reporting?
You might as well get your cycling info from the supermarket checkout line. ESPN cycling news is rehash, stepped on, 5th ear sensationalist garbage. Where were they when Bobby Julich won Paris-Nice – after the olympics!
it has to "catch" riders
Oh now I get it! WADA makes stuff up to look important. Like randomly making up fake doping offenses. The more ridicules the accusations the more import they look.
Did Floyd (using or not using drugs) beat other pro riders (that either do or don’t do drugs)?
Interested in meeting a pro cyclist TdF winner?
Amateurs enjoying their sport are no more judge or jury of pros in cycling than any other sport.
Have a $35 beer night with Floyd, get a photo and see what you think afterwards or don’t, (the only one who misses out is you.)
for precisely the sort of conflict-of-interest reasons you mention
usually extortion and conspiracy plots revolve around people or institutions wanting to protect their money, reputation or secrets. Why would the TdF want to defame themselves, discredit the sport and turn-off their corporate sponsors by outing the winner? If anything, their incentive would be to bury bad doping control results. If they needed to show the sport was clean they could sacrifice some domestiques nobody cared about. It makes no sense that they would witch hunt Floyd — who could pull USA viewers and dollars.
I rode those insideride rollers recently. They are great, but who wants to pay $800 for rollers?
Word. It would make more sense to just get $800 worth of EPO. LeMond says 30% in power!
I rode those insideride rollers recently. They are great, but who wants to pay $800 for rollers?
Does it look like we will have a definitive determination on the 2006 TdF winner by the time the 2007 race rolls around?
if he brings his wife. damn. has anyone seen this week’s velonews?
"it’s tough when you’ve witnessed actual crumby amateur cyclists become mildly successful amateur cyclists through doping-"
jt, it’s actually funny with a bit of sadness all rolled into one!
i have a hard time with all of this. i wanna believe, i really do. it’s tough when you’ve witnessed actual crumby amateur cyclists become mildly successful amateur cyclists through doping–right in our own little tri-state area. the reality and sadness of it all is harder to swallow than the pills.
And the 35 bucks is getting him what?
i have a hard time with all of this. i wanna believe, i really do. it’s tough when you’ve witnessed actual crumby amateur cyclists become mildly successful amateur cyclists through doping–right in our own little tri-state area. the reality and sadness of it all is harder to swallow than the pills.
Jammet again?
How is FL not getting a fair deal. hes got a lawyer. He is getting a hearing whats $35 bucks going to do for him?
Is the USADA not an honest organization. According to their site they are considered the foremost organization in the country by our congress. Should I write my local US Rep and complain that FL is not being treated fair?
He’s not getting a fair deal because protocal and chain of custody were broken. he’s not getting a fair deal because of big dick pound. Just because the USADA says their honest on their website doesnt automatically make them so.
I think the Floyd close up is too close. I get dizzy just looking at it. Who wants their picture taken and disseminated like that. Freak.
I can’t follow the details of that slide show when sobor. I will be totally lost if I have a few beers in me. Maybe they can keep it simple by showing some cool video clips and making some funny jokes about Dick Pound’s name. Oh, and do that roller race thing too.
Brooklyn Brewery might not be such a good idea. Isn’t a that where all the trouble started for Floyd?
http://cache.deadspin.com/sports/upload/2006/07/FloydLandisBeer.jpg
Haven Hamilton sure ain’t no hippy
i’d believe floyd if he had a dog like tugboat and a wife with a hippy name.
ok i actually really like floyd. i have no idea if he doped.
Jaded may be an ass but at least he’s funny
Baldwin is funny AND smart
But not Tyler.
But that’s based on the circumstances of their cases. If yuo’ve met Tyler, you’d know that he is a super nice, upstanding guy. Or at least he is except he cheated. You can’t tell by a guys simple behaviour if he’s clean.
you’re an idiot because you’re closed minded.
why don’t you read up on the test- its not a straight pass/ fail circumstance. the test is not a measure of the AMOUNT of testosterone in the body, it’s a RATIO between testosterone and epitestosterone. there’s two things that can increase the ratio past the threshold of what they call "positive"- a high testosterone level relative to epitestosterone, or a low epitestosteron level relative to testosterone. if you bothered to read arnie’s presentation, you’d note that floyd’s absolute testosterone levels were normal- his epitestosterone levels were low (due to the cortisone shot he received the day before for his hip).
now, unless you’ve got a scientific rebuttal, you really don’t have much of a leg to stand on, Nancy.
Ooh! Yes, I’m an idiot!
Good one!
You got me!
This has gone on long enough.
Bye.
You’re not jaded, you’re an idiot . Wikipedia as the final arbiter of scientific inquiry? O mon dieu! And so dismissive of any attempt to understand how any of this works.
the test is not a straight pass/ fail?
Oh, but it is: you must not have an unnatural epi/test ratio.
Landis’ personal physician disclosed that the test had found a T/E ratio of 11:1 in Landis, far above the maximum allowable ratio of 4:1. (see wikipedia)
So he failed. And there is no presumption of innocence when you fail a drug test. You ARE guilty.
Again, he’ll have a hearing with the USADA.
No one will know what comes next.
Have fun meeting him. You should make him a collage of a your fav pictures, have him sign it, and hang it up in your cubby.
About you laughing in my face: I don’t think you’ll be laughing with your mouth full, you smug little bi$ch.
There’s a chance Floyd’s telling the truth. He deserves a fair hearing. After Hamilton etc. it becomes harder to believe him but let’s hear him out. If you understand the science well enough to know he has to be lying, show up and challenge him. I don’t. If he’s telling the truth, the injustice to him is incredible and can’t be repaired even if he gets off. I find it hard to imagine how a decent guy and Floyd seems like a decent guy, can blatantly lie to his supporters.
did i say federal justice system? no, didnt think so. there is a justice system inherent in the sturcture of pro sports. that’s what allows athletes to be banned, appeal and have hearings.
duh.
"justice system"
what are you talking about. Sports is not the justice system
not lee3, sorry to disappoint.
However, your attitude, along with doping problems, are the two biggest problems in the sport today. the test is not a straight pass/ fail. it’s a ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone. the test is not foolproof. every single testosterone case Floyd’s lawyer has taken on has been turned over. this whole fiasco with floyd has turned into a glorified witch hunt- overlooking due process. without due process, you don’t have a basis to punish someone. it invalidates the whole system that’s meant to protect both the integrity of the sport and the athletes themselves.
I’ll be laughing in your face when this case is turned over.
i’ll pay my 35 bucks, i’m even gonna spend a few more on tomatoes so i can loosen up my throwing arm if you know what i mean! Floyd better be wearing those big shiny glasses or he’s gonna get a big juicy tomato in his eye.
I appologize. It is my attitude that is responsible for ruining the sport we all love and not the unrepentant drug cheats that take advantage of an imperfect system.
Floyd failed. That means he IS guilty. Presumption of innocence? What are you talking about? The justice system?
Oh, right.
He wants a hearing, and he’ll get a hearing. That’s fair.
But Floyd’s dragging this out on ESPN for his own public image hurts the sport much more than I do.
Take your $36 bucks and buy a clue, Lee3.
Jaded? Wasn’t that an Aerosmith song?
Pulla’s still listed as the winner of the 2005 Univest Grand Prix and no announcement of his failed drug test was ever made. How could it be in Landis’ interest to associate with those who are content with sweeping the drug mess under the rug?
he’s innocent until proven so- and that includes all the appeals. He has the right to defend himself- and he’s innocent until proven so in court. that’s how the justice system works. in the end, science and proof have and will vindicate him. have fun with that attitude of yours, jaded- it’s ruining the sport all of us love.
WORD!
is Jaded. Don’t you get it?
I don’t believe a publicity campaign by a liar nor do I trust that the UCI, ASO, nor WADA are doing everything right.
He failed the test.
Every athlete that fails now goes through the same process of denying the positive and questioning the validity of the test.
Doping is a problem. Floyd doped. Most of them dope. He got caught.
In ten years Floyd will break the silence of his retirement by saying that yes, well maybe, he was not 100% honest. But damn if there were still procedural problems with the lab.
And you’ll aplaud.
There should be accountability.
He’ll have his say before the USADA. He’s already made a sucker out you. Give him your money, fan boy.
It was an amazing ride no doubt from the sheer effort involved etc, but isnt the amazing part also just that the others didnt respond faster, since Floyd had nothing to lose by attacking – it WAS the pragmatic move for him at the time (ie. nothing to lose by attacking and risking blowing up by doing so), but why the others didnt respond sooner is somewhat amazing. Floyd took the race back, but equally the others gave it back, right? True of any race you could say, but this is the Tour where the riders all know the time gaps every sec. unlike old school racing or Tour de Christiana for that matter…
The Keystone Kops nature of Operacion Puerto is just the highest profile indication that there’s a strong element of witch-hunting in the anti-doping crusade.
Ask him about stage 17. Seems like we all forgot how cool that really was, ensuing conflagration of crap notwithstanding. It was a perfect storm of him, the Phonak team solid-rocket booster, and everybody else playing it too safe until too late that made the difference.
If you think about it, he turned the safe, pragmatic Armstrong racing style on its head by failing and then coming back to win. I for one would like to hear what he has to say about that day and the effort he put in.
exactly- the case will get thrown out- just you watch.
Tell me this Jaded, are you one of those gullible morons that thinks the UCI and WADA are correctly following protocal and respecting the cyclists’ rights?
Put him on the rollers….
exactly, no small town, we are having it in BROOKLYN !!
So?
can we ask floyd about his vanishing twin?
Booze, an autographed Phonak jersey if I bring one, a little enlightment of the pro-euroracing scene, Vaughters may show up, Eustice making the dialogue civilzed. I’d pay 35 bucks for this. I just dont get the anger about this event. If you are a passionate cyclist, this would be great after work shindig. Lots of small towns would love to have this put on in thier city.
Floyd’s lawyers have thrown a bunch of ideas against the wall hoping one will stick.
They’re trying to raise a reasonable doubt in the public’s mind.
Floyd failed the test.
If the test was faulty they’ll overturn the case. You just stated the reasons for that possibility right, Dr. Earnest?
The real problem is his charging $35 bucks for his publicity campaign.
Give him your money, I’m sure he’d do the same for you.
You are truly a gullible moron.
rules of grammar, JFT
must be the same people who didnt bother to read arnie baker’s presentation. if they had, they’d know:
-the chain of custody was broken
-both urine samples were contaminated
-the samples didnt test positive for all four components of the isotope test- only one
-the test was "positive" due to low amount of epitestosterone- not high amounts of testosterone- the test is a measure of the ratio between the two- and guess what lowers the amount of epitestosterone in one’s blood? a cortisone shot. just like the one he had injected into his hip a day before.
now let’s hear jaded rebuttals for each of those points.
Words have meaning. Unfortunately some people don’t understand that.
oooh, semantics. very impressive.
Shouldn’t Lance kind of contribute? Lance never tested positive for any performance inhancing substance, mind you Lance did not say he did not dope, kapish??? It’s like auto liability insurance: we all pay for couple of fu*kheads who crash… So Lance, step up and write a big check!!! This way regular people wont have to pay $35 to drink one beer and hang out with Floyd. Floyd you’re HOT! Lance you’re not!
Was the ball out? Well there’s reasonable doubt.
Was the winger offside? Well, there’s reasonable doubt.
Was the timekeeper at the TT accurate? Well, there’s reasonable doubt.
I didn’t even think reasonable doubt was used in civil court in the US but wtf do I know, I’m just some jaded hater on nyvelocity
if any of you bothered to read arnie baker’s presentation, you’d see theres a whole hell of a lot of reasonable doubt.
i absolutely dont think he doped. but then again, i might be a little more naive than the average person on here
Floyd is the man. He loves to ride his bike and drink beer. I’ve read some of Arnie Baker’s analysis of the French lab’s test results on Floyd’s web site, and I believe he’s innocent.
Either way, the guy deserves his day in court. Between lawyers and scientists and how long this case is going to drag on, it’s got to cost a fortune. I support him.
Floyd is the man. He loves to ride his bike and drink beer. I’ve read some of Arnie Baker’s analysis of the French lab’s test results on Floyd’s web site, and I believe he’s innocent.
Either way, the guy deserves his day in court. Between lawyers and scientists and how long this case is going to drag on, it’s got to cost a fortune. I support him.
I like White Rapper Show, it’s all,
roll that shot, light that shit, pass that shit
are you Lee3?
as long as i get home in time for LOST-
I think VDB is more of a Felicity and Gilmore Girls kind of guy.
i totally agree. VDB is definitely the spritzer type.
i’m just going to support Eustice and get his autograph.
i think i’d take FL’s defense more seriously if his lawyer went by Arnold and not Arnie
I completely agree with all of the posts below, and I take my hat off to Floyd for putting himself out there in the line of fire. I will definitely attend. I’m sure everyone will be respectful, but I hope to hear some strong questions from the NYC cyclists. It would be great if the event gets good media attention as well, this needs to be in the forefront of the media and it should serve as a realization of what is hapening in professional sports in terms of "doping" and drug use. You dont see Barry Bonds or Marilyn Jones taking these measures. Whether Floyd is guilty or not what he is doing ois great for future of sport, hopefully it’ll help clean things up for good in the long run.
I believe most people in this country know very well football players and baseball players take drugs, not many people care it seems. Puerto had pro football, basketball, soccer and tennis players involved, it is the largest doping bust in history why hasn’t there been mass media coverage about it in the US? Do americans not care about drug use in professional sports?
But this sounds like a fun event, so if you like a cool event, go anyway. BB is good, FFF is a good cause, and FL is FL
I don’t think Floyd is guilty of using testosterone but I’m not sure
I am sure the process to sanction him is not well-done or fair
Sad to say, there are more serious issues in the world than Floyd Landis and the Tour de France, so I’ve recently given money to (and will continue to give money to) them. For me it’s the ACLU (civil rights), the USO (phone cards for US military overseas), TA (cycling and pedestrian rights) and a couple other good causes.
I would too, but I think VDB is more of a wine spritzer type.
He may not be guilty on this charge but he is guilty for something!
Marco,
You’re gonna have a beer with Periero?
I dont think Periero coming to NYC any time soon. but I would have a beer with Johan Museeuw and Franck Vandenbroucke.
think about the storys. you can’t top that.
Or you could buy OJ’s book
How many people ahve to shoot themselves until he comes clean?
Lee and Ken are right. as a cycling fan I love this. Not may people can say they had a beer with a TDF champ.
as New Yorkers I think this would bring alot of attention to New York Cycling scene.
As a cycling fan I want to belive.
ken put it correctly how ever you want to look at it
I think we should attent and support.
Thanks MIKE H.
I kinda agree with Ken Harris – can’t be terrible to attend since the guy didn’t necessarily get a "fair trial" and I don’t think he got any money from the TdF (not that rich folks!). Still likely guilty though and needs to come clean for the good of the sport long-term…
You can attend the event if you would like to see cycling be teated miore fairly, aYou can attned if you wouldlike to see pro cycling get more respect. You can attend just to meet Floyd, you can attend to learn something. You can attned to drink very fine and fresh beer. But anyway, you look at it, its a unique opprontunity thanks to the FFF based in NYC.
There might be more critical issues in the world, but if you think Floyd was treated improperly, you can support his fight by attending the event
Is this a joke or real?
If you were accused of stealing @ your job on the day that you were out of town yet they fired you anyway, would you think this was fair? Despite what many of you think about Landis – the cause is a just one. I, for one, think he got hosed. I look forward to this event. Its not often that a Tour champion hangs out knockin back brews. If anything I think that this will be loaded with laughs along with moments of serious dialogue.
Wooooow, I like that Idea. How much of a donation do I have to make to see Floyd on the rollers racing someone?
…does he have to give the money back?
How much would it be just for the beer?
it’s soooo cool to be sooooo jaded. when will you guys realized that that attitude is contributing to the downfall of this sport?
THE FORGET FLOYD FUND.
Roller race… What is he a cry baby and we have to listen to that shit all night. Get over i. This shit happens in life. Have a roller race!
I think a roller race against Floyd will be key. Any thoughts.
The Fuck Floyd Fund?
it’s on like donkey kong
Isn’t Floyd rich?
fu**ing god
Will Tyler be there?