CERA Thread

Kohl busted but no more positives.

A little Tuesday discussion for you.

The bad news is Bernard Kohl tested positive for CERA. The good news? L’Equipe says there are no more Tour positives.

More good news: VDV now 4th. Bad news, VDV probably not going to back onto podium.

How relieved is Schmalz that his man crushes Fabian and Jens came through clean?

Does this mean Schleck really gave Fuentes 7000 euros and got nothing?

How damaging is the slow drip of positive revelations to the sport? 

27 Comments

Anonymous

It is all a circus show anyway. The real heros are guys busting there ass before work and after work just to stay with the pack in a Cat1-5 race. We do it for the love of the sport and nothing else. BTW – why no mention of the Cuevas Charity Ride on the ride list above?

Anonymous

for the good of the sport they spared the big names and fan favorites to keep the sport from blowing up completely.

brian g

Morning Everyone,

No more tour positives…

http://www.velonews.com/article/84297

I woke up this morning to an email from a teammate in France saying that La Gazzetta had more names on the way. Perhaps that’s dried up.

And so it goes,

B.

PS – The third word in my Capthcha is ‘Sandbagger’. I aspire to have that word hurled at me.

Anonymous

There is a Santa Claus.
Life is fair.
Good guys alway win in the end.
Cancellara is clean.
The check really is in the mail.
and of course I’ll still respect you in the morning.

Anonymous

is that more people outside the sport will have heard about lance coming back (by a wide margin) than are hearing about the latest CERA positives. i think there will be more interest next year (especially in the US) despite the latest fallout. don’t love everything about the guy but i am hoping his return will help gloss over the bad stuff and help people see cycling in a more positive light.

that is to say nothing of his own *possible* guilt of course. i think it is ironic that the king of the worst of the doping era might be just the thing to help restore cycling’s image and turn the page to a new clean peloton. but it might turn out that way…

Anonymous

Then again, the poors would probably not have needed to pay off mortgages if they were never given them in the first place by sketchy, predatory shitheads like Angelo Mozillo.

And I too am relieved that Cancellara came through, but he may not be so lucky once the test for auto blood transfusions comes through.
CSC were not stupid enough to go to Dr. Santuccione, as were Sella, Ricco, et al and take EPO.
CSC, like Astana, probably transfuse. LA perfected this process with Bruyneel. can I prove this? Nope, but I am an anonymous commenter and I got to prove shit.

Anonymous

don’t buy the rightwing hype, majority of foreclosures happened because of:
– predatory lending
– divorce
– medical, unexpected illness
– job loss
– death
nobody chooses not to pay to loose their only home, only those with multiple homes who speculated, but they should have enough cash to pay. Oh, and to add to this thread, epo and blood transfusion costs could be $50K per year so if team management stops paying, one could loose their house 😉

Anonymous

People choose to borrow more money than they can afford to pay.

people love to cry “predatory lending” when in actuality it happens alot less to people than the hype says. predatory lending was centered around sub-prime lenders taking advantage of poor, old, uneducated minorities- not joe six pack.

and what about the documented reports of people fudging income records so that they could be approved for a bigger loan?

lesson learned, americans are a-holes and don’t like to take responsibility. sure wall street exacerbated the problem, but they’re taking a bulk of the blame for a problem that originated at every american’s household

just sayin’

Anonymous

I see ‘where you’re coming from’ saying “uneducated minorities- not joe six pack” sorry to break it to you but joe is just as uneducated as everyone without access to good education (minority or not) so please don’t stereotype.

So, lets call them economically naive buyers to whom ARMs looked tempting because the initial rate was artifically low. The lender there to make max money exploited the loose regs and mainly the confidence these borrowers had in their expertise.

It was very NORMAL to assume that the lenders would NOT lend them money if the LENDERS didn’t think the borrowers could manage the payments. At the very least, blame the gov’t for “no dime left behind” for public educators…

Anonymous

you’re forgetting one little thing.

BUYER(LENDER) beware. its you’re own f*cking responsibility to make sure you live within your means.

its like suing McDonald’s for making you fat.

Anonymous

No Roger, No Rerun, No Rent!

BUYER (BORROWER) beware? Or did you mean “its you’re own f*cking responsibility to make sure you lend within your means.”

Anonymous

Lender (lending) the money with an ARM mortgage to borrower (buyer) slipped him a $1,000/month deal. The buyer thinks “hey that’s less than my rent! I CAN afford that! But when the initial ARM period ends, mortgage and monthly payments double or triple! Mortgage lender doesn’t care, he sold the bad debt to bankers who also sold it to investors as AAA after insuring it with default swaps they now can’t cover. The home owner is screwed and the investor is screwed by everyone in the middle.

“Buyer beware” does NOT justify shady greedy banker tactics, sorry.

Anonymous

obviously the industry needs to be more regulated. but its stil lthe person’s responsibility to understand the nater of the CONTRACT they enter into

Anonymous

I bought an apartment in Brooklyn 2 years ago. Spent to much and got to little. Me and my wife got a 30 year fix, despite what the lender was telling us. If you got in on a bad loan, it is your fault. Do your homework.

Anonymous

to ring this puppy in, if CERA or any other drug got recalled because in court it was shown that it makes your blood thick over time and you die of stroke in your 30s, but the drug risk disclosures were direct or simple enough for buyer to understand, the drug company will pay but the poor bloke who died got screwed.

if mortgage bankers knew the risks of ARM loans but didn’t directly inform the buyer so he understands, the mortgage bankers should pay.

if hedgefund managers knew the default swaps were junk, but didn’t inform investor so he knows underlying asset risk, the hedgefund managers should pay.

if the president…etc etc…

Anonymous

Aren’t there some sorta “co-factor” drugs that go along with EPO boosters? Like Joe Papp’s butt bruising?
Too much iron?
or the like? Is there a “Dr.” in the house that can shed light on what others you need along with EPO-like drugs to be used safely/masking?
Ask Creed?

Sandman

Anonymous

what morons really believed that the $400k loan they took out with 5% (or less) down would only cost $1000/month for the life of the loan? this is like opening a 0.0% credit account to finance new furniture and acting surprised when you are paying 19.8% interest 12 months and one day later.

Anonymous

Scroll way down the results and check out the 45+ winner rocking the disc rear wheel — how did that get by the chief referee?

Anonymous

That’s Paul Curley. Complete bike racer. The guy is a multiple world masters CX champ and took top ten in the Expert 50+ USA MTB Championships at Mt Snow VT.

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