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Open Source Crankies!
For those who don’t know – open source is internet speak for lazy. And since last year’s Crankies were the source of our first and currently only cease and desist, we decided to continue the tradition.
So we’re going to open up the decision process for the Crankies to our loving and wonderful NYVC community. This week it’s up to you to help us select the CATEGORIES. No names this week, that comes next week. If you put down a name we delete the post, so don’t be a knucklehead.
Here’s a category example to get you started: best local racer with a name that is a term for rendered animal fat (either poultry or swine based). These thing practically write themselves!
So let see what tuff guys will say on the next step to this process.
"The WW shorts with red look like copies of Postal Service" – they are!!! The two teams, WWs and Disco, exchanged kits in a deal that was structured as a tax free asset swap. WWs in process inherited the winning ways, Disco the opposite…
hands are covering wood
No Bianchi bikes in the Pro Tour?
"The WW shorts with red look like copies of Postal Service" – they are!!! The two teams, WWs and Disco, exchanged kits in a deal that was structured as a tax free asset swap. WWs in process inherited the winning ways, Disco the opposite…
looks like they’re standing in water. in a cartoon.
Liquigas kit – a swing and a miss!
Not by Lee3
look who was arguing about carbon wheels and tubulars making you fly like feather and yet here you are telling people not to buy them… but then again this is nyvelocity
The WW shorts with red look like copies of Postal Service
and what color is your bike?
Waiting with baited breath on news of Liquigas
Save your money. Those new Tempest wheels and tubulars aren’t going to make you a Cat 3. Just put in the miles and intervals and you’ll get there , with or without all the fancy hyped crap.
"The Tempest II is the wheelset of choice for fast rides, road races and triathlons. The 30mm-tall rims offer excellent aerodynamics yet don’t suffer the weight penalty and crosswind difficulties associated with taller rims. Plus, the straight-pull elliptical-profile spokes enhance the aero advantage and thanks to Easton’s Twin Thread technology are super-strong, too. This combination of ultra-light weight and enhanced aerodynamics means the Tempests are sure to give you the winning edge and make every ride more fun."
Oh yea is right – the Astana did well with going away from the red color scheme of last years Phonak bike. I wasnt too surprised with the wheelset choice (Easton tempest II). I picked these up and will be spinning’em this season. Never used tubular so I’m curious about how things go. Corima’s are nice but @ 1670gr., The 1265gr Eastons should be interesting.
Discovery’s new kit is really looking good this year. Healthnet’s kit also looks hot. I dont know what to think about Slipstream – perhaps potential. Toyota United, a complete train wreck. The big "?" – Liquigas! They probably have Armani color consultants blowin up the deadlines.
I smell vegan sourgrapes!
-L III
Lee3 is around here somewhere:
sweating a BMC, writing "oh yeah,"
general corniness.
Yes, def Lee3.
Oh, silly me. I guess Vino got the idea from me….
I wonder if he can go 19mph for 112 along the Hot Queen’s Highway?
you’re too open-minded your brains will fall out.
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity, so why even try.
…not long, but I still have to breaking my BMC time machine first. I can almost average 19mph (without the disc)!!!
you are no fashion plate so stick to bouncin your Univega with the tab in nylon disc wheel.
before we see Tri Guy on that rig in Central Park?
Trust me, I’m no fashionplate, but does anyone else think that Vino’s rig is ugly? His logos have logos on them….
Can’t look at those colors without thinking Borat.
check out Astana’s TT scoot! kazak colors look good on swiss stuff.
That is funny.
Hey Eugene, I don’t know about you but even I woudn’t even think about doing the Crankies.
"Dan,
So when are you going to do the crankies?"
The Cranky sisters:
http://edition.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/12/22/british.pantomime/story.ugly.sisters.jpg
Um, yeah IPO. God, I wish it were 1997…
Dan,
So when are you going to do the crankies?
That’s hot!
That’s hot!
Schmalz you have a website, and it is all Web 2.0 taking advantage of user driven content, and all those other buzzwords. Therefore you must be making serious money. I am sure the IPO was very lucrative for you.
or a crankie for the person who double posted the most
best race photos?
DHR,
I’m just going to assume that post was ironical, but it’s hard to type with these huge diamond rings on my fingers.
A few Sids guys went to warm regions this season. I’m not one of them though. I cant even think about leaving town. I’m Proj.Managing 2 Restoration jobs [1 of which is landmarked] + rebuilding the engine of my ( /2) + Zoltan’s training calender. (plenty busy!)
or a crankie for the person who double posted the most
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Jan 18,2007 by anonymous
or a crankie for the person who double posted the most
or a crankie for the person who double posted the most
Main Entry: iron
Once again our inability to understand schmalz means we really are the slack-jawed mouth-breathers schmalz, andy and alex were counting on to provide the important ad impressions that keep them in $1000 bills to light their cigars with. We keep the money rolling in by refreshing the browsers to see every new small-minded snipe.
Maybe a Cranky for the person who has posted the most in the past year and call it: "Baby needs a new pair of Zipps, lets get those page refreshes up!" Award
ironicalness?
Yeah we get it, but when you call things hate and crankies, don’t be surprised when you get hateful and cranky responses.
Calling the reviews "hate" is a joke (maybe a bad one), does no one get the ironicalness?
The internet is where kerning goes to die, for sure!
ironicalness?
Ohhh snap! being called out for badly kerned sky writing. That’s harsh.
"I
US track World Cup races next week and Tour of calif. coming up and you’re taking a break? Plus not even a pic from Sid’s Winter Training Camp. We’ve come to expect much more from you.
Best race reports award.
nyvelocity.com gets real press credentials for the winner to attend major events as member of the real media.
Sorry slim, not my posts – must be one of my peeps
We all know who Andy HAMPSTEN is
but please explain to all the pre-lancers who Hamsten is?
And wouldn’t a pre-lancer know, but a post lancer not?
This is getting quite meta, wouldn’t you say?
It was all in good fun, but you put yourself out there…
I’m easing off the posting in the offseason. It seems like there just isnt much to do other than flame the known posts and Wiki up the word "Bologna"!
I do like the Sakonnett / Champion system pics and articles, the equipment tests, the coaching stuff and well everything Niko wrote. I even learned a few things from the fact freaks. The flame outs can be funny but when shit gets personal – it only kills the vibe.
His favorite cyclist is "Hamsten"
Now that’s not hate,
but it is kinda funny
see the dif?
Ahem.
Schmalz is funny but calling his reviews "hate" contributes to negative bashing atmosphere on site.
I’m not saying that Dan’s comments are hateful or anything like that, but that using the word sets a tone.
Slokar here, not Settel
did he get a job or something?
can we bring back the friday chat? that was always a good hour of fun and poop.
Great addition to the NYC racing community:
I’ll tell you why this site kicks ass (not that anyone cares what I think)
1)Andy Photos
Lets face it, its nice to come home from a club race and see that a Pro photographer has snapped a way cool shot of you which you can even buy if you want…and he doesn’t even keep the $ it goes to charity!
2)Race reports/stories of local riders/Aarons photos recipes
In most cases outside of NYVC these types of stories only appear on individual club websites and are never updated. With NYvelcity the few races I am not at the front to see what happens (ahem) I can always find out later from the board here or from a race report.
3)While some posts are certainly mean and not clever in any way, some are quite funny and display the full depth of the NYC racer (see Tri-Guy)
4)Promoting events on the site builds the community
Roller races, other events, the only way we know they exist is cause of the site.
As they have already explained, the owners of this site have tried to strike a balance between open posting deciding what/when to censor. I hate the hate too but if New York isn’t warm and fuzzy this site won’t be either.
As to the question of whether the site reflects the community or vice versa the site definitely reflect the community. If you look at other cycling message boards: Road Bike review, NYCC etc. there are always people who seem to be looking for a post that contains something they can ridicule or flame (its so common, the internet even has a word for this behavior its called being a Troll)
Mecray, you talk too much
Maybe true. But what would you have to read, Mr. Settle, if I went away? Just all those inane anons I guess…and Lee and JT of course!
Oh, and anon posters need to grow some sack – esp when they post regular comments that arent even in the "hate" column (at least those are explainable). Common guys. Its more fun when we know whose talking…
little boys in a sandbox
rednecks at the wwf smackdown
the bleachers at Fenway
a 1980s trading room on Wall St
monkeys throwing shit at each other in the zoo
the British House of Commons during debates
Folks, this site just rocks for the reasons prev outlined. A great place to reflect collectively on the sport that we all reflect privately on all day long. That we degenerate into name-calling and the occasional nastiness is merely a reflection of our human frailty – its natural! Being nice all the time is kinda boring anyway, esp when were talking about sports. Anyone ever listen to sports radio, or read US Weekly for that matter (fashion and Hollywood as sport)? People love to talk trash – and its fun!
I think NYVC has struck a nice balance between allowiing this fun while deleting those posts that cross the line from fun to pure meanness, which is just not cool. Sadly, not all of the members of the cycling community (which truly reflects a broad set of the overall community) have the maturity and intelligence to know where that line is. The boys here do a pretty good job of weeding out those posts, while leaving the ones that are merely stupid or inane, but not necessarily directly hurtful beyond the surface. A delicate editorial balance that leaves the spice while tossing the over-hate. Well done guys, and keep up the great work in 2007!
I’ve been flamed pretty hard on this site before. It’s not a big deal. I figure that I deserve it.
The only guys that I don’t like in the club are Ric Stagg and Don Sasso. If you don’t know who they are, consider yourself lucky.
Everyone else is cool.
Adj. 1. vituperative – marked by harshly abusive criticism; "his scathing remarks about silly lady novelists"; "her vituperative railing"
Thought I’d save other folks from having to look up my man’s 10 cent word drop.
Fewer weasels that is
Nice grammar tip, Balanuez. Now stop putting words in my mouth.
Thanks for your defence of the site, its appreciated, but keep in mind Aaron steps up and contributes not only thoughtful signed posts but entire articles for the site. You may not care for them but I get a lot of positive feedback about his recipes and I think its a nice counter balance to the rest of the stuff on the site. He has definitely earned the right to be taken seriously even if you don’t agree with him.
Good post Balanuez.
I love this site. I think Andy, Dan and Alex rule! They do so much for the cycling community. I just want to think them.
We need less weasles and more Wolfes
What would Mr. Wolfe prefer?
A site where everyone earnestly praises his recipes? A place where disagreements are banned because they may offend? We get it, you take your racing seriously and you have little room for a sense of humor (re: recipes). Let the rest of us have fun and keep our tongues firmly in cheek.
I do agree that there are some nasty people that put up shitty posts, and that, well, it just sucks.
Welcome to the internets.
Bravo, senor Schmalz, bravo.
(Slowly clapping)
Has anyone ever looked at Letsrun? It the big running site and its also far more vituperative the NyVC. Heck NYCC.com’s message board gets pretty bad- why do you think this site is so special when it comes to bashing each other on the boards?
Vituperative? Wow. I propose an award for using that word on this site.
Sometimes there are great threads on the site that add up to an article far more interesting than one person could write and we are proud of the way the site has galvanized the community, other times it descends into mean spiritedness and then, yeah, we do worry that we are a negative for NY cycling (apologies to Dan and Andy for using the Royal We) But its like Dan said, we had a vote on the site and anonymous posting won. Then we took it down anyway and no one was contributing to the conversation. I would love to hear a suggestion to have the best of both worlds, but I’m afraid it’s not possible.
If you are fighting a lot with you wife, do you blame the landlord?
And why do you think this site is any more vituperative than any other community on the web, its not, the people using it are just skinnier.
Oh, I have plenty of other analogies for bike racers…
Great post Dan.
Every time people start to attack the site itself we get the old bowling league analogy, as if there’s something wrong about taking our fun seriously and wanting to have NYVelocity be better. Dan, make the site what you want it to be. If you don’t like the trash, down’t allow it. If you don’t care, then let it go.
This is not a fair question: "is the site a reflection of the community, or is the community a reflection of the site?" This site actively encourages sniping and trash talking with topics like this one, and provides a place for it to happen.
Generally this is a great site in spite of the trash and hate, which I’d guess most could do without. But it’s harder to build something valuable than something cheap.
of Andy, Alex and Dan
Thanks dude, real upstanding citizen you are
I drink Haterade
Here’s the burning question: is the site a reflection of the community, or is the community a reflection of the site? I’d hate to tell you this, but we as bike racers have always trended towards being whiney, arrogant and prissy. The site didn’t start this, it just exposed the pathetic fact.
I think what we have here is a glaring reading comprehension problem. It is very rare we take shots in articles at anyone except ourselves (well, Toto might have a legit ax to grind). See those little boxes at the bottom of the page? We don’t write those. Those comments are yours.
I’m not Stalin (although I do envy that mustache of his), we’re not here to control your thoughts – no matter how stupid or nonsensical. If a comment is too vicious, we take it down, and then you complain. If we don’t allow anonymous comments, you complain. If we don’t put up pictures of your race fast enough (for free – which you then download and put up on your own site without permission, or add to your own little self-shrine of jpegs), you complain. We throw a party, and you complain. Are you sensing a pattern here?
The site is supposed to be fun, and 99% of you out there get it – because, let’s face it, we’re all basically involved in a what amounts to a big old lycra bowling league. We race for fun, and should come to this site for fun. If you don’t like they way things are on the site, there’s a comment box there waiting for your input. How about using your name for a change…
Yeah let’s all come to this site, bash each other, and act like great buds when we race! Yeah, this is a real great site, and it’s really doing great things for the local cycling community. Founders, keep patting yourselves on the back, you’re doing a fanastic job! Keep up the good work, keep us fighting each other, it makes us better New Yorkers in the end ya know.
then don’t read the site. Or hate em directly.
The general griping on this site is no big deal – pull your panties out of your crack
Maybe we should call some of the sponsors on this site? I wonder what they might think about there name placed on a site that has nothing but bullshit going on. That is not how a company promotes. What do you think Dan? Andy any comments from you?
oh get off your high horse. the level of incredible childishness at the pro/uci/wada layer is a million times worse than the banter on this site which is mainly for fun with a swift uppercut here and there. which is nyc for you anyway so go home crybaby.
Agreed, nice to make bike riders constantly bash other riders. Things were not like this before this site came along. Why don’t you guys do something more constructive to draw attention. Maybe people would want to advertise on your site then. Did you ever think of that. Maybe nyvelocity needs to grow up too.
How about this site starts nothing but shit award.
You know why is it that Orcutt was the only one that was not looking to start trouble. I mean lets face it, that cop was an ass. Can’t we all just get along for once? How about we give credit for once instead of bashing all of the time?
To "Adler rode a great race!"
We know,
Team Adler
Looks like success breeds contempt
Combine most crashes/dangerous as Rubber Side Up award.
Vehicular Manslaughter award for the cop in Vermont.
I think posting about one’s own team’s success breeds contempt
Most punches thrown on the back straight against least subtle blocking rider.
best proposed police regulation that is already really law but somehow subject to public opinion so it gets withdrawn and rewritten NOTWITHSTANDING the fact that in the beginning it was originally designed to ban one particular event but has unintended consequences for many other people.
it’s all kind of a mess really.
Adler rode a great race!
Adler Award for worst stolen uniform design award
Empire Award for team wiith biggest stealth hype campaign
How about best triathlete? I say Macca. Come on guys!!! He ran hard at Kona. Anyone with me here?
best flame
Can we get initials, Chris M? last letters of first and last name? we’re told not to name names, but iniatls work, right?
best jokester
biggest jerk
best sport
biggest dick
Um, I think not. The Irish among us are friends and good guys, so nothing bad to say… I just had to throw a little jab in for fun…
most money spent at http://www.euduroforkseals.com
biggest budget team with zero wins award
Team Adler should win the Adler Award.
Signed,
Team Adler Rider
Most likely to be juicing
new bike drooling is so NYCC – the bike doesnt make you go faster (or slower as long as it isnt too heavy). Can we leave it at that until next years Vegas reviews? Thanks buddy.
Think Cervelo Soloist SL
ok…let’s step back 1 further…what is a mark?
Hint: Only applies to a Sakonnet rider who needs to stop checking out asses while riding.
How about the NYVC regular anonymous poster least able to disguise his identity by being unable to suppress his penchant for writing with an Irish accent? At least he isn’t making an "arse" out of himself while posting, thankfully!
🙂
what is a punk-ass mark?
It’s similar to a trick-ass mark, but different than a mark-ass trick.
Biggest mouth because I can’t manup to put my real name because I know I will get my ass kicked award.
For the team that is most like Adler
Paceline Skillz 101: Team that most needs to attend this class?
for….I don’t know. I don’t really know what a Punk-Ass Mark is.
Sounds like someone’s giving the arsehole to a friend here. MORE OF IT!
How about most direct NYVC slam without actually naming the rider directed at a rider that likely no one actually knows or has reason to care about?
1) strongest results that were denied upgrade story
2) weakest results but knew the right guy upgrade story
the charlie mccarthy ventriloquism award, for the rider most likely to post about himself while pretending to be someone else
This would go to a certain member of a brandy-new sub-squad. Hint: the boy rides a dark-colored Giant and lobs the term "geh" around pretty liberally. You know who you are, ya poser.
Biggest bollocks?
1. Best team kit
2. Worst team kit
3. Best team website
4. Worst team website
5. Best post battle of the year
to wave back on 9W
Rider most obsessed with him/her self
Rider most obsessed with by other riders
most dangerous rider (to others)
1. The Shit on your lawn award.
2. The wheel sucker of the year award (only one person comes to mind).
3. The least likely to suceed award (many come to mind)
4. The worst dressed team award.
5. The "I wont get on his wheel" award
1. Biggest ego
2. Smallest ego
3. Best nickname
4. Best real name
1. Most pro looking pack fill rider
2. least pro looking rider that gets results.
Most sexy-time kit
how about it
"Erroneous, erroneous, wrong on all counts!"
Your open source analogy is a little off the mark. Contributing to something that is open source is not lazy…..it takes effort to contribute. By having your community do your work for you is what’s lazy (yes, I’ve read that you’ve stated this in the past.) Using something that is open-source is still not lazy, since it takes effort to implement it……..
Advocate,
You’ve just put five times more thought into that comment than I put into this entire posting today….
any guesses?