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I’ve found that handlebars are a more a matter of personal preference than I thought they would be. I have about 2 or 3 bar options to ride around at the house, ranging from Kieran bars (no thanks), to classic pea shooters, to different manners of anatomic bends. I have found that anatomic is very much in the eye (or CAAD drawing) of the beholder.
@##=#<2,L>@##=#In yet another chapter of the schmalz cycling saga, we now move on to changing the last contact point on my bicycle, the handlebars. Due to my highly exalted position as an internet legend akin to the kid that danced around with the broomstick light saber (who am I kidding, he’s much more well known), I was able to weasel my way into getting a set of bars that retail for around $250. The Hiltons sisters are famous, and I get wonderful bike stuff for free. Life is just not fair.
But I digress. The arguments for carbon bars are the possibilities for shaping and the ability of the material to absorb vibration. Weight as compared to a set of aluminum bars is a little less, but there are aluminum bars that are comparable in weight, so let’s just call the weight issue a “push.†You personally may feel more comfortable with metal bars as opposed to carbon, but I don’t think either one is more predisposed to any sort of failure. I think if you crash either one, you will probably have to replace the compromised bar. The biggest difference in that instance would be parting with $250 as opposed to about $75.
Now that we have that out of the way, how about we get to how these bars actually feel when you ride them? It’s hard to gauge how much the bars dampen vibration without being able to ride a set of aluminum bars side by side with a set of carbon bars. I get the sneaking suspicion that people who think they can tell the difference in bar vibration are either sensitive to tremors to the point where they should be used to predict earthquakes (like those rodents in California), or they are talking out of their posteriors. Either way is fine with me. Personally, I couldn’t tell if there was less vibration, but I do know that I’ve been having a twinge in my shoulder recently that I believe was vibration related, and now I don’t have it. So, these bars are either easier on the body, or they have magical restorative powers. I’m tool lazy to build a proper shrine, so I’ll assume that they dampen vibration.@##=#<3,L>@##=#
As an aside also, I am so grateful for companies printing the positioning marks on their handlebars, which is a “sliced bread†type of innovation. Most bars makers do this now, and I’m not sure where it started, but I would like to say how thankful I am for this time saving innovation, now back to the nonsense, um, scratch that, I mean review.
Hand position-wise, I find that the flat top position is very nice, not too wide, not too small and very comfortable. They don’t have those finger dents things, but I wonder if finger dents are a good idea. The reach on the bar is 85mm, 6 mm longer than my previous bars, and unbelievably, I can notice it. It not bad – it’s just different. The degree that the bars drop from the tops is 28 degrees and it seems a little severe to me, I would like the angle a little flatter and this is a personal preference. Once again, I am surprised as you are that I noticed that. The bottom ends of the bars are shorter than I’m used to; compared to “pea shooters†they have a shorter straight end. I would add some length to this area, because I like having that extra position. That’s a personal thing once again. I also prefer Miller High Life, but that’s because it’s the Champagne of Beers.@##=#<4,L>@##=#
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Firstly, they are $250 handlebars, that seems like a lot, but it’s fast becoming par for the course these days. Secondly, they don’t have a “pea shooter†position, if that means a lot to you, well then these bars might not be for you.
Where does this leave us?
Very nice bars, well constructed and thought out like all Zipp products. The cost is for the shape and vibration dampening, if it’s worth it to you, start saving.
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Can you tell me if these bars are good looking enough to make me faster this year? Whats the word on the street about performance and graphic? What teams are speccing these?
they will definitely not make you faster but carbon bars will cut down on some of the vibration that reaches your hands. I have FSA k-wing bars and I like the shape. But like saddles, its down to the individual.
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How do you know that Jonathan?
And if it’s true, does that mean they flex more when you pull on them?
I replaced my aluminum bars with these. It’s possible that the more comfortable shape (which is easier to do with carbon) has more to do with this, but my hands used to go numb after 2 or 3 hours. No more. And they certainly don’t flex noticeably.
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To build a carbon bar that would have equal rigidity as an
aluminum bar it would be to heavy. If you are concern about vibration, spend 15 bucks and get some bar tape that absorb vibration. Sprinters do not like bars that flex.
This is utterly unscientific, but I can’t tell the difference in flex between these and aluminum bars leaning my full body weight on them. The deflection is tiny for both. Also, I have had the same experience as Jonathan regarding vibration. I have some tendinitis in one elbow, and if flares up only after rides on aluminum bars. I don’t feel a difference while riding, only afterwards.
Im kinda laughing here because this thread is much that the one last year on carbon frames vs. alum and the whole vibration shock thing. JT is clearly a skeptic of the benefits of carbon. I disagree, though its based mostly on just my own feel and have tried both on same wheel setups. I just switched to all carbon bars because I feel a real difference.
I also second Andy’s comment – no normal human can break a carbon set using arms only, but a strong set of arms can break an alum race bar (Ive seen this done!) just standing still. We also know that alum fatigue can lead to bars breaking with little warning during a hard effort like a sprint – this will not happen with carbon unless its visibly damaged (chipped etc.).
So, I feel quite a bit more secure on my new carbon bars vs my 3 year old alum ones. Thats enough for me, even if I have no science to offer JT…
Also, given the multitude of flex points on a road bike (even stiff one), no sprinter would notice the flex within the handlebar during a sprint – you just cant crank on them hard enough to flex them, but you sure can feel the flex in the wheels/frame/fork interaction overall – esp if you do a ride-off "taste test" side by side.
I bet money that you ask typical pro sprinters what bars they use and they will answer "whatever the sponsor provides".
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I have FSA K wing bars my only gripe is that when I get our of the saddle with my hands in the drops, my arms hit to top of the bar (just above the wrist) and I don’t know why but this is very painful. Your elbows have to be bent so much to avoid this that I am not sure if the flat tops make up for this. The bent elbow position is fine for a sprint but if you were riding in the drops and just quickly want to get out of the saddle for a while, you get a painful reminder.
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But I can’t tell if it’s more comfortable then my steel bike (with carbon fork), my old all-steel bike, or a Ti bike I had which had a carbon fork.
I’m frankly skeptical of everything and look for evidence before believing marketing. Jonathan’s response that he could tell the difference by riding the same bike w/diff bars is fairly persuasive. Though on the other hand lots of us believe things we are told. That’s why the best testing is double-blind. Or at least when one is genuinely skeptical of differences and *then* notices them.
"That’s why the best testing is double-blind. Or at least when one is genuinely skeptical of differences and *then* notices them."
Ok. We get! When you are skeptical and YOU notice it, right? Everybody else just buys into marketing, right?
Thank you for your reliable scientific opinion on EVERYTHING, and your skeptical, carefully measured feelings on everything else.
I get your point: You know all, and we’re suckers.
Now will you please stop?
Try your bikes on the cobble sidewalk east of CP next to 5th ave. You will feel the difference. I have a very rigid cevelo team soloist and a carbon bike and there is a major difference when you ride on that sidewalk.
There goes more money! WTF
"Ok. We get! When you are skeptical and YOU notice it, right? Everybody else just buys into marketing, right?"
No, my point is when someone buys some super high-zoot product after reading how great it is, they are more likely to deceive themself than someone who just randomly chooses the product, or doesn’t believe the differnce and notices it anyway. Not just me — anyone.
I have a hard time believing anyone who buys something for one reason and has that reason confirmed. If, on the other hand, they said "I bought the carbon bars for the shape and I was surprised to discover my hands were less numb on long rides" I take that kind of evidence more seriously. When someone says "I got the carbon bars because carbon is well known to damp vibration and these bars proved it" I have my doubts.
"Try your bikes on the cobble sidewalk east of CP next to 5th ave. You will feel the difference."
I’ve ridden on all sorts of insane stuff on a variety of bikes and can’t tell diff in comfort, what with the tires and soft seat and fat in my ass. Maybe I’m not sensitive enough.
I can feel differences in stiffness in bikes in hard cornering, and maybe out of the saddle in terms of flex, but not comfort. That’s too damped by the seat and tires. I used to use some really soft handlebars by Scott and think I could notice a small comfort difference with them over heavier bars, but am not sure.
I know it’s pretty unscientific but when I switched bikes in Prospect park (my specialized s-works – aluminum vs. a full carbon Colnago) I could tell the difference immediately. Maybe it’s even more noticeable on smooth pavement but the carbon felt "damped". And I had a Ti litespeed before which felt different from aluminum as well. So I think materials do make a difference, however slight.
I agree with the comment about the corner of the k-wing bars…that’s the only thing I don’t like about them. I’m going to rotate them a little bit forward, see if I can get more clearance.
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I know it’s pretty unscientific but when I switched bikes in Prospect park (my specialized s-works – aluminum vs. a full carbon Colnago) I could tell the difference immediately. Maybe it’s even more noticeable on smooth pavement but the carbon felt "damped". And I had a Ti litespeed before which felt different from aluminum as well. So I think materials do make a difference, however slight.
I agree with the comment about the corner of the k-wing bars…that’s the only thing I don’t like about them. I’m going to rotate them a little bit forward, see if I can get more clearance.
"Ok. We get! When you are skeptical and YOU notice it, right? Everybody else just buys into marketing, right?"
No, my point is when someone buys some super high-zoot product after reading how great it is, they are more likely to deceive themself than someone who just randomly chooses the product, or doesn’t believe the differnce and notices it anyway. Not just me — anyone.
I have a hard time believing anyone who buys something for one reason and has that reason confirmed. If, on the other hand, they said "I bought the carbon bars for the shape and I was surprised to discover my hands were less numb on long rides" I take that kind of evidence more seriously. When someone says "I got the carbon bars because carbon is well known to damp vibration and these bars proved it" I have my doubts.
"Try your bikes on the cobble sidewalk east of CP next to 5th ave. You will feel the difference."
I’ve ridden on all sorts of insane stuff on a variety of bikes and can’t tell diff in comfort, what with the tires and soft seat and fat in my ass. Maybe I’m not sensitive enough.
I can feel differences in stiffness in bikes in hard cornering, and maybe out of the saddle in terms of flex, but not comfort. That’s too damped by the seat and tires. I used to use some really soft handlebars by Scott and think I could notice a small comfort difference with them over heavier bars, but am not sure.
There goes more money! WTF
Try your bikes on the cobble sidewalk east of CP next to 5th ave. You will feel the difference. I have a very rigid cevelo team soloist and a carbon bike and there is a major difference when you ride on that sidewalk.
"That’s why the best testing is double-blind. Or at least when one is genuinely skeptical of differences and *then* notices them."
Ok. We get! When you are skeptical and YOU notice it, right? Everybody else just buys into marketing, right?
Thank you for your reliable scientific opinion on EVERYTHING, and your skeptical, carefully measured feelings on everything else.
I get your point: You know all, and we’re suckers.
Now will you please stop?
But I can’t tell if it’s more comfortable then my steel bike (with carbon fork), my old all-steel bike, or a Ti bike I had which had a carbon fork.
I’m frankly skeptical of everything and look for evidence before believing marketing. Jonathan’s response that he could tell the difference by riding the same bike w/diff bars is fairly persuasive. Though on the other hand lots of us believe things we are told. That’s why the best testing is double-blind. Or at least when one is genuinely skeptical of differences and *then* notices them.
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I have FSA K wing bars my only gripe is that when I get our of the saddle with my hands in the drops, my arms hit to top of the bar (just above the wrist) and I don’t know why but this is very painful. Your elbows have to be bent so much to avoid this that I am not sure if the flat tops make up for this. The bent elbow position is fine for a sprint but if you were riding in the drops and just quickly want to get out of the saddle for a while, you get a painful reminder.
To build a carbon bar that would have equal rigidity as an
aluminum bar it would be to heavy. If you are concern about vibration, spend 15 bucks and get some bar tape that absorb vibration. Sprinters do not like bars that flex.
This is utterly unscientific, but I can’t tell the difference in flex between these and aluminum bars leaning my full body weight on them. The deflection is tiny for both. Also, I have had the same experience as Jonathan regarding vibration. I have some tendinitis in one elbow, and if flares up only after rides on aluminum bars. I don’t feel a difference while riding, only afterwards.
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Im kinda laughing here because this thread is much that the one last year on carbon frames vs. alum and the whole vibration shock thing. JT is clearly a skeptic of the benefits of carbon. I disagree, though its based mostly on just my own feel and have tried both on same wheel setups. I just switched to all carbon bars because I feel a real difference.
I also second Andy’s comment – no normal human can break a carbon set using arms only, but a strong set of arms can break an alum race bar (Ive seen this done!) just standing still. We also know that alum fatigue can lead to bars breaking with little warning during a hard effort like a sprint – this will not happen with carbon unless its visibly damaged (chipped etc.).
So, I feel quite a bit more secure on my new carbon bars vs my 3 year old alum ones. Thats enough for me, even if I have no science to offer JT…
Also, given the multitude of flex points on a road bike (even stiff one), no sprinter would notice the flex within the handlebar during a sprint – you just cant crank on them hard enough to flex them, but you sure can feel the flex in the wheels/frame/fork interaction overall – esp if you do a ride-off "taste test" side by side.
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I replaced my aluminum bars with these. It’s possible that the more comfortable shape (which is easier to do with carbon) has more to do with this, but my hands used to go numb after 2 or 3 hours. No more. And they certainly don’t flex noticeably.
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