Hangover May 19, 2014

Results happen

Additional bikes races were attended and contested this weekend, here are the typed out stories of the action that occurred.

At the CRCA race on Saturday, Mike Margarite of the Weather Channel won (my computer now autofills that phrase) the A race. Camie Kornely of Stans NoTubes p/b enduranceWERX won the women’s race. Baris Aytan of e2Value won the B race. Mim Gilbert won the women’s cat 4 race. Greg Hruby won the C race. Results are here.

At the Lucarelli & Castaldi Cup race on Sunday, Adam Alexander of Foundation won the P123 race. Brendan Rigby of Kissena won the cat 4 race. Greg Benning won the cat 5 race. Results are here.

 GFNY Results are here. Dean Brizel pictured on the front page winning the 55-59 group.

 

 

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Ferre O-Ring

you realize he got 2nd place earlier that morning in Prospect Park… and then still made it to the state crit in South Jersey…. I’m sure he’d be happy to send you his urine sample

shootthegap

Wilmington Grand Prix course is not challenging enough. It needs a double figure 8 with one of the sections being full cobbles and a few dogs running across the course.

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And yet just a few weeks ago this place was abuzz with Glenn from Metra sticking a break and winning due to his break partner getting relegated. Fact is breaks stick there with regularity.

ft

Big difference between 100 starters and under 50. Did you see Eli’s photos. That race was tiny with only 18 finishing. Sunday there were like 90 finishers. You put 18 guys on even the easiest course and there’ll be a breakaway.

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It’s not like this was the second race there ever. They’ve raced there like 100 times over a million years. There’s like 1/2 dozen weekend races this year alone. Sometimes there’s wind. Sometimes breaks stick, sometimes they don’t. I’ve won state championships there off the front. And sometimes there are field sprints.

Euro Pro

NJ State Crit Course is not challenging enough for a breakaway to stick. It’s basically a fast oval course, there’s plenty of speed and the corners are wide and not technical enough to slow down a chase group or even the entire peloton. The one ninety degree left hander is not difficult at all. There’s a tiny bump of a hill in the course, which is big ring. So basically teamwork and timing are important in the race. And you need to be able to read the race very well and be positioned in the front before the finish line since there’s only a chicane before the finish.

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Not sure how winning a state championship is pro…it’s actually just a state championship. Pro is something else.

bikeboy

Dan, please block any post containing the words, “Jiangxi Province” or “Changzhou”. That should eliminate those annoying bot posts.

bikeboy

Poppa Koop’s beard had hair coloring. I think that’s a doping violation. I motion to suspend the beard.

Gaetan Crank

It was very good USADA came out however I do agree it should have been announced at the end of the race. That “heads up” from the announcer gave too many options for anyone suspect.

Remigio Grips

A couple quick clarifications:
He hasn’t taken 1st place a whole lot, but he has been placing respectably (and he might be faster than you).
He DID work his ass off during the NJ State Crit Championships. He was at the front almost the whole time chasing shit down and / being part of a whole crap-load of breakaway moves contributing just as much as the other team members. But YES I do agree on kudos to the Metra Team as they worked hard and represented in every move (including a not so shabby 6th place in the end). As for 31st place? Damn, I thought he placed much higher than that! (I really thought he did – hard to tell though from my vantage point. I know he tried REAL HARD to win.)

2nd place in the Prospect Park P/1/2/3 Race that same day in the early A.M. hours, at the butt-crack of dawn? Yeah – that’s true. AND – he also took a 3rd place on a Sprint Lap, solidified his lead in the Masters Division, took a 1st place on another Sprint Lap and took a 1st place on a KOM lap – all in that same race. “Just saying” (remember that stupid saying?)

PS – it’s Stephan (not Stephen) and it’s Dioslaki (not Dialoski)

Thanks for the opportunity.

Signed,
DIO

Froomestrong

I was pretty sure I saw Stephen Dialoski before the start of the state crit. It’s pretty weird that a rider who’s as fast as he has been lately did absolutely nothing in the race and didn’t contest the sprint. Especially after the rest of the metra team destroyed themselves trying to establish breaks (kudos guys). Very odd for Dialoski to finish as far back as 31st in that race. It’s a good breakaway course too.

I hope they tested him, just gonna come out and say it.

Euro Pro

Stephen raced at Lucarelli Cup in the morning and got second place in the 1,2,3 race. So I know that his legs were tired from doing that!

Euro Pro

Well the promoters of the NJBA State Crit are Tom Mains and Jim Bernstein. Announcing testing before the race was not the most intelligent thing to do, but they aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer.

shootthegap

Thanks Tom and Jim for letting the cat out the bag before the end of the race. Next time take notes from the folks that nabbed Ceasar.

Euro Pro

I agree with shootthegap. Kudos to Tom and Jim the Braintrust Brothers of the NJBA. Maybe they should take notes on what to say and what not to say before the race. Or even hire a speech writer for themselves!

Guccio Seattube

Its just an excuse for those not brave enough to race to bear mountain and back 🙂 In Central Park you’re never too far from your safety net! Wish the price could would come down, but would pay again to race that course.

Giacomo Ferrule

Central park (and Prospect) races are fun, fast, competitive and you can race between 5 to 20 of them for the price of 1 Granfondo, depending on your CRCA membership. And if the weather is crap or you get sick or have to stay at work until 2am the night before you’re not forfeiting a fortune. Nothing wrong with the GF if you don’t mind shelling out the coin but there is something pretty great about being able to race every weekend from March to September.

ft

The NJ Crit Championship course in NOT a breakaway course as someone suggested below. It’s easy, fast, wide, not windy, with only two 90 degree turns, both of which are wide and fast. I saw 4 races and they all ended in bunch sprints and the longest break I saw lasted like 3 laps.

If you’re going to do random testing as well as test winners etc, you have to announce it before the race or people will just leave at the end and act like they never knew about it. It does incentivize some not to win, but then there’s DA, who knew there was testing but just couldn’t help himself and win at a GF.

Lucas Butyl

and the point is to catch people who win illegally, it’s not a dragnet for cheaters. In effect, if it stops them from competing, it works. Kinda like an ADT sign outside your door when you ain’t go jack for an alarm inside.

Arnoldpalmer

Same protocol at Toekeneke last year. They announced testing at the start so that everybody knew to check whether they had been “selected” after the race. Clearly not the best way to catch cheats, but announcing at the start has precident.

shootthegap

I was amongst those cheering, however, those you thought could win or win again where riding awfully reserved. Hmmmmmmm?

Sam Everhardt

Top Area finishers:
5th Anthony Fatuzzo
9th JOSE MARIA EYZAGUIRRE
13th Lucas Van Drunen
14th Hayden Judd
18 Jeff Young
23 Jim Martin
25 Alex Ostroy
27 Simon Phuah
29th Evendro Dias
34th Dean Brizel – who also won the 55-59 age group

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Shootthegap, you do realize when they test they don’t actually test everyone? They tested the winner, and a couple of other riders. Don’t know who, but given that there was nearly 100 riders in the field it won’t necessarily reveal much. Nice that the NJBA followed through on the promise though.

Schiatta Chainline

Only tested 2 riders in 123 field. Light and Gui Nelessen (first and second finishers). Average speed of 27.5 mph didn’t seem like too many people riding reserved.

Froomestrong

Hey Schmalz. At least report on the state crit in your own state and yes some NY racers were in it if it makes you feel better.

Elias Steerer

Shootthegap, if you are so sure of these accusations that you are so haphazardly tossing around, why don’t you air your beliefs and tell us who in the peloton you think is doping.

Based on what I saw first hand during the race, all the usual players were riding aggressively and couldn’t care less that they might have to pee in a cup at the end of the race.

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It was actually a wee bit faster than 27.5. 27.8 for much of the race. My file and from what I saw posted from strava had it as 27.7. Splitting hairs…it was fast and aggressive.

I did think that on the start line they said they were testing three riders.

Lorenzo Bushing

why don’t more racers turn out for the GFNY? 100 mile course, climbs, supported, etc…just curious.

nogfny

entry fee of $300 and as a mediocre cat 3 I have no chance against cat 1’s for the same prize pool so why should I do it?

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a lot of races did it the first year. it’s a shit ton of money, to ride on roads most folks ride all the time. that first year it was on mother’s day weekend, so it wasn’t up against many, if any, other races. this year there were other things going on.

Froomestrong

I know EXACTLY who he’s talking about. Rider who won before, but only placed mid pack.

I can say with absolute certainty that he is clean. I know the man well, he didn’t just rise up like DA, he’s spent a lot of time workign his way up be where he is now. It’s ok to have an off day, especially when he’s been winning a ton and racing nearly 4 days a week. The NJ peleton has plenty of good riders, plenty of tough riders.

William Liner

At the start of the NJ State Crit the promoter announced that there will be testing…. isn’t that right there a breach of testing protocol? It’s essentially saying if you’re doped find a convenient time to get a “mechanical” and drop out…. Certainly didn’t get prior notice a Maltese last year and Cesar Marte got busted.

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They made it clear it was the rider’s responsibility to check if they were on the list no matter when or if they finished the race. Otherwise guys would have just rolled back to their cars and never known.

Damien Steerer

I think the point is to keep the cheaters from winning, not catch the winners. But that was close.

Lemonade Stand

I love the squabbling of the ill-informed, inexperienced and just plain ignorant on this site. Standard USADA protocol for in competition testing is to inform riders at the start line, instructing that it is the riders’ responsibility to check the post-race selection list prior to leaving the vicinity. This list typically includes the top 3 finishers + 1 to 2 random selections, regardless of whether or not a rider finishes the race. If you signed a waiver and picked up a number, you’re in the lottery. Failure to show up for testing may result in a lifetime ban. No excuses.

If anyone would like a sample, I’ll be setting up a lemonade stand at the next race.

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In a simple twist of fate, Adler is pro. They’ve yet to show they can ride a smart race though.

William Liner

No shit I was there…. point is the testing was done wrong because its supposed to be secret until the end of the race. People who won anything will stick around, and thats when the chaperone gets them. The list isn’t predetermined, so if you dropped out mid way to check your number, there would be no list and you would be scot free…. this happened in Italy a couple years ago when riders found out doping control showed up at the finish, they “accidentally” veered off course and never made it to the finish.

Froomestrong

LOL, I remember that was the moment NJBA was wise enough to announce USADA’s presence before the race began, sending any dopers into the middle of the pack and giving them a nice big heads up.

Mohamed Seattube

You should check the facts on him before you judge him. If Im not mistaken he was in a(winning) breakway and flated out and left possibly not knowing his number was the random number for testing. Or I could be WRONG.

Marchionne Tigweld

‘Mr Clean’ Christophe Bassons was handed one-year ban after missing an in-competition drug test.

Matthias Sealant

If it’s windy a break is a real possibility at Greentree. If it’s not windy, and it’s a usual weekend race, team tactics can force a break to stick. If it’s the state championships, and it’s not windy, a break isn’t going to stick. Too fast, and any rando in the field can take a dig and close a 15 second gap.

Froomestrong

I would like to point out a few things about this James Martin issue. As far as I can see he has not tested positive for anything. He got a two year suspension for not showing up for the test. Yea that seems fair? I/we don’t know why he didn’t show up. I mean really? Really? Innocent until proven guilty much. And when did the rule change that if you miss a test you get an automatic two year ban? Just a thought……
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From the USADA athlete handbook page 3: Definition of Doping . . .
Refusing or failing, without compelling justification, to submit to sample collection after notification as authorized in applicable anti-doping rules, or otherwise evading sample collection.
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Based on the wording above, he could have provided a “compelling justification” for his missed test. Without that justification a missed test is a positive.
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– it wasn’t automatic. USADA has discretion in how they apply the penalities for a missed test. If you look through their sanctioning history, there have been 5 for failure to submit to a test, all in cycling. There was a 2 year suspension (Martin, the max), a 16 month, a 1 year, a 3 month and a public warning. I know for a fact he presented his side of the story to USADA. Based on their discussions with Martin and with others, USADA chose the 2 year penality.
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I think it depends on if he knew he was being tested. We’ve all gone to a race, had a bad day, and just left afterwards. If he didn’t know he’d been selected, then I agree that it’s totally unfair. We’re not professional riders who expect the possibility of testing at every race.

If he was told he was going to be tested when he picked up his number or if all riders in that category were told at the start that they must stay around afterwards for possible testing, then yes, he intentionally missed the test.

Without that information, it’s hard to say.
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Will Schneider Rules
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all the riders were told there would be testing and that they needed to check to see if they’d been selected, otherwise it could be considered a failure to appear and there could be very stiff penalties. Also, when he turned off the course, 2 marshalls on bikes immediately went to look for him. They searched the venue and surrounding are for 1/2 hour but couldn’t locate him.
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Everyone surely heard the speech at the beginning of the race and even if Jimmy may have missed parts of it I’m sure he was contacted and given a chance to come in to clear his name.
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doesn’t he live near GreenTree course, could have rode home… everyone has smart phones… maybe a txt sayin you have 30 minutes to report…
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– Several people tried to call him. Also he arrived in street clothes, so I presume he drove over.
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Dave Margolin Thnx. Obviously looking at this from outside and after there are many details that warranted the end result.
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OK, I withdraw my objection then
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I think we should give 2 year suspensions for registering last minute on bikereg while were at it.
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They were very clear at the start line with the instructions. Part of which included the failure to appear clause. Tom even made us all nod to acknowledge we heard him.
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Registering for a bike race late and not showing up for a drug test…clearly an equal comparison. ..
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Amen Rich Carolan at least 3 days ahead of time. Enough time to order the Bathrooms…
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We need more of this testing, dopers suck. Good for them for enforcing the ban. If he was innocent he would have cleared his name quickly.
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It sounds like the fact is he missed a test they was announced prior to the race and he subsequently pled his case to usada. They chose to jive him the maximum pemetic despite bit found so in other similar cases.

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