Here at VCN and NYVC, we’re not just about posting semi-interesting training data for just one aged, pathetic personage-we’re about sharing! And today we’re sharing some training data that was sent to us by a mystery person-not a mystery to us, mind you; but I think it’s much more fun to not know who the rider is that pumped out the following wattage. So sit back and enjoy the numbers, and if you don’t train with a power meter-sit back and still be slightly confused and/or not impressed. And, as always if you have a ride to share with us, contact us here.
The ride unfolded as follows:
A new bike, without being fit or even having a video pedaling analysis, was taken out for a sprint test before Somerville. The rider in question was feeling terrible, so the ride was brief, 50 minutes. Towards the end of the brief ride, something magical happened, as the rider and their training partner neared the town line, they sprinted-and behold! A new maximum wattage and 5 second maximum was achieved! A gaudy number of 1222 watts for 5 seconds, while the rider weighed in at 143 pounds that morning. Graphs detailing the newfound awesomeness are below.
which one did you use for the above?
and how did he do in somerville?
PowerAgent7
U can compute his weight and narrow from there
I take dumps bigger than that, son….
you guys know, that while accurate 99% of the time, every so often the PT will spit out stupid numbers? I’ve seen 1800 watts once or twice @ 139 Lbs I’m sure I did not actually pedal that hard.
this person puts out over 1200 every time he sprints, i know second hand.
is the point of this to guess who the rider is? or just talk shit about him?
There has to be a point?
If someone takes a 143lb dump in the forest but nobody is there to hear it…
everybody is a champion on paper…
drop this person into a race and see what happens
http://patrik-sinkewitz.com/content/view/322/47/
any qualified comments (DR. O’D),
Steve Johnson
there doesn’t NEED to be one. but apparently those are the results of this experiment.
lets follow up with results from these same “riders in the spring races” Why not?
No wonder I am pack fill!
Wow, big deal 1200 watts for 5 sec is that suppose to be impressive?
Let’s just cut to the chase and post penis dimensions … 5 second, 1 minute, 5 minute, 20 minute, and 1hr Max. Make sure to test over the same route, same weather, and same diet. Then, plot your bests.
Peak power of a Cat 4 pack filler:
20 sec 1110W
60 sec 584W
5 min 396 W
20 min 365W
60 min 327W
Do you really care…….I didn’t think so
Dude, Lance has half as much killah jewels as a normal man, but still would kick all our asses
love,
wheelsuctioner
Because you are obviously a student of the Power Meter, you are most certainly aware that those numbers mean nothing without posting your WEIGHT. This important fact will determine whether you have terrible tactics, you’re overweight, or your full of bs. You need to give the wolves more to work with.
Yes I do………..Yes I am…………No, not any more than anyone else that posts here!!!!!!!
Pack Filler
I forgot……………..go fish!
Well put PF. Join the club.
I thought Pack Fill was a state of mind?
There’s always a way to try and win a race.
Pack Fill implies you’re content just sitting around right?
pack fill or fodder?
his father was a mudder, his mother was a mudder…
please only post watts/kg/time
isn’t packfilla a chicken joint?
watts your problem guys
pardon me, but has anyone looked at crankarm length when using power meter? cleat position (fore/aft, med/lat, cant, rotation)/arch length? seat height? saddle fore/aft? bar/saddle height/reach diff? frame size, material, geometry? etc…..
so many variables…
… wouldn’t you assume that everyone has a decent position, and if not, they would be searching to find one that would maximize their power output (of course while balancing comfort, etc.)?
if so, then your comment is rendered useless. it’s not like everybody ISN’T searching for an awesome position, or people purposefully ride with their seats low and their cleats in the middle of their shoes, and their stem too long, whatever.
using “mid’arch” cleat position?
Power to weight is irrelevant for anyone who trains and races locally. We live and race on a sandbar.
nope. that’s wrong.
I’m listening…………….
I’m still waiting………….
i’m not the original poster but i’d say the part about “training” here is irrelevant. people that train here win out of town climbing races all the time. and a high power to weight ratio comes in handy.
Power to weight is irrelevant for anyone who races locally. We live and race on a sandbar.
Power to weight is irrelevant only to those who do not follow the laws of gravity.
Roger? W/kg? 20min CP
Igor? W/kg? 5min CP
Ricky? w/kg? 1min CP
plus experience, race smarts, teamwork, etc…
whatever…
race results. not lab tests…
who wants it more!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
The reality is that at CP,PP or FBF, Aero drag plays a much larger factor than gravity. Harlem hill is a speed bump. P/W ratio really only plays a factor in long steep climbing section.Other than that, absolute power trumps power to weight every time.
What about accelerating in a sprint? F = m * a
With enough mass I can create my own gravity. In theory light would bend around me and…………… You know what Andy, I think we need to break out the lasers again!
If you are racing local 3’s and 4’s then tactics and smarts play a much greater role in results than power #’s. As long as your are fairly fit you can do well. I was able to obtain many good cat 3 results -top 10’s and top 5’s with what I consider a pathetic sprint – barely able to break 1000 watts for 5 sec, I weigh 67kg’s –
If you are racing local 3’s and 4’s then tactics and smarts play a much greater role in results than power #’s. As long as your are fairly fit you can do well. I was able to obtain many good cat 3 results -top 10’s and top 5’s with what I consider a pathetic sprint – barely able to break 1000 watts for 5 sec, I weigh 67kg’s –
if you can make light bend then maybe you can fool the finish line cameras.
You are absolutley right. It’s not about power or weight. Schmalz proved that at FBF.
what kind of numbers do need to see if a guy hopes to finish top 10 at bear in the 3s?
just asking such a question means you won’t be in the top 10.
your numbers mean dick when the break goes and you are looking at your power meter.
learn how to fuckin race.
Maybe that’s his goal, dude. Too bad he won’t get a good answer here. Go and get tested, or just use a basic field test to determine your FTP and go from there. Lots of resources on the grid on how to use the number, but the best is Coggan’s book, Training and Racing with a Power Meter, or something like that.
Do yourself a favor and don’t worry about dickhead responses like the last one, that guy is just pissed that he doesn’t know the answer either.
it wasn’t a tactical question. i don’t care how tactically sound you are if you don’t have the right fitness you will get dropped. just curious as to what those numbers are, but thanks anyways coach.
it’s an absurd question.
there is no specific answer to WHAT NUMBERS DO I NEED TO TOP 10 IN X RACE AT Y LEVEL.
how does telling him to go get tested/field test have any bearing on his question?
you are giving him advice on how to get his own numbers, when he is looking for some absolute goal of power #s that will ensure him a top 10.
again, numbers don’t guarantee a top 10, no matter how high they are.
you’re a towel
if you push 400 watts for 10 minutes, you will be in the top 10
of racers geting dropped at 7.5 W/Kg after 10 min. I hope that helps.
i will not be in the top 10 if i have a w/kg of 2.8. there at 6.2 w/kg there is a great chance of me winning. no? i am just curious as to what the range is. you know: ‘all things being equal.’ i am fully aware that the fittest guy does not always win.
there is a great chance of you not being dropped. the chance of you winning relies on way too many variables besides your w/kg for you to assure yourself of 1st place.
look at results of riders (build/quailities/teamwork) that have done well at whatever race you are “peaking” …
Coggan gives ranges, tactics will increase or decrease your chance depending…
Bear…probably the 155 lb or 70 kg rider that can climb at 300 watts for 10 min that is Perkins will make a cat 3 race lead group…the rest is up to you and your team.
It does have a very high speed sprint at the end, unless of course you are soloing in…
so aero sprint position/max power is important too… thats why it isnt a “pure” climbers race…I would bet an 80 k rider with 340 watts FT when climbing and 1500 watts when sprinting would win all other variables considered equal. First ya gotta get up that hill…then ya gotta sprint downhill at the finish…
a racer here who can put out 7.5w/kg for 10 minutes.
i’m a wattage under achiever yet i have placed in a number of cp sprints only because of good positioning. i’ll never win a head to head sprint with most, but in chaotic field sprints i do ok.
did you win any cat 4 races before you were a 3? have you won any 3 races?
Wasn’t there an interview on this site in which Brian Gabele revealed his power-to-weight for the App Gap climb at GMSR, where he pretty much kicked the cat 3 field’s collective asses?
That is why he got dropped.
is a finishing climb. one of the hardest climbs in the northeast.
bear mountain is a downhill sprint finish.
jon chodroff won the cat 3 fitchburg TT with like 450 watts.
if you could do that and weighed under 175 pounds, i guarantee you would win, regardless of what “watts don’t mean anything” guy says.
in the pro race at bear mtn, i think you need to have almost 6:1 for the duration of the climb to make the front group. UNLESS, that is, you “learn how to fuckin race” like captain hard-ass down there, because then it doesn’t matter at all and you’ll win as long as you ride hard.
I vaguely remember seeing some files from Bear Cat 3 race. I don’t think you can say you need X w/kg to win but I think you can say you would need and FTP of 4.2-4.5 minimum to have a chance of staying with the lead group, maybe not a break but at least you’ll be in contention and should’t get shelled right away plus you have to have the endurance over 70 miles.
The maddening monotony of winter training …
Obsessive. Compulsive. Computing. Mind numbing.
Thoughts turn to watts and weight.
Confucius say man who pedals too high cadence is going to bangcock.
Is it all worth it?
Waking at 5AM?
Wife warned: “the season has started”. Sex at 7:58AM?
If my calculations are correct
and I weigh 156 in May
I’ll finish behind these freaks of nature
Back on the rollers
Hell, my power’s good on paper
if you have to ask…
If you have to ask you’re human.
Don’t tell me you never have seconds thoughts down in your bat cave?
Let’s face it. Sitting on a trainer isn’t fun.
we never did get any info on whether the guy whose chart this is can actually win a race… good power/weight sprint numbers, so what did 143 and 1200+ watts get this guy in somerville, or anywhere else?
he had the beginning symptoms of mono at somerville, and thus didn’t perform as well as he could have. THEN he got shingles, and lyme’s disease at the same time (no joke), but then came back and won races in June.
booyakasha, bitches.
some dude on TT had lyme’s disease if i remember correctly
Are you guys serious bear mountain cat 3 race is pretty much a joke. 3/4 of the people there cant climb worth shit becasue we live on the northeast and 90% of the people hear are sprinters. If you got a decent ftp of 4-5 watts/kg the race is pretty easy. Last year a group got away up the first climb and it was a joke I would be pulling up the entire climb and people would be getting dropped in the break. The break was gone the entire race. And eventually it was just three guys with one guy sitting on. I also had not a single teammate in the race. So bascially with an ftp of 4.5-5 watts/kg nobody is going to be able to touch you on the climb. You will easily ride away from all but like 3 people the same holds true at fitchburg.
i bet it was so funny to be racing at bear and fitchburg. all those jokes. how did you finish? i would have laughed so hard that i would have become hypoxic and passed out.
“You will easily ride away from all but like 3 people the same holds true at fitchburg.”
OK, so let’s play out-sucker Wheelsucker:
You must be, drumroll, Gabrielle Gentile? You came in 4th because you were able to ride away from all but 3 people?
Hopefully you upgraded out of that joke field.
Dont worry I upgraded so theres no worry.
how did that podium smell? you were pretty close to it.
So what gets you off Gentile? (which is as of yet confirmed)
I mean we’re all narcissists to some degree, but we have the unique opportunity here to ask an out-of-the-closet Wheelsucker about what motivates them to call a whole field “a joke”. I mean you are so incredibly manly and strong, yet at the same time a real cranky, angry ass. What gives?
Tell us! I’ll remain a Wheelsucker because you seem to be the type to actually cause physical harm to others.
wait, wait, I think smartman answered in the SUBJECT line …
“Nope”
We may have the wrong guy. Sorry Gabrielle.
Don’t worry mystery meat, we’re not worried. You’ll cause your own undoing.
Probably Greg Batista. He is a Cat 2 now. The other guys on the podium were the winner from WWV (doubt he would talk smack as he is pretty humble and stud) and a semi-pro mtn biker who did not race Fitch.
So… is you Greg?
https://www.usacycling.org/results/index.php?permit=2008-303
sorry for the ignorant question…don’t kill me. 20 minutes? an hour?
Some rough guidelines …
FTP is your max 20 minute effort – 5%
or
your average power in an hour long time trail
http://pelotoneast.com/showthread.php?t=6114
the rider is not greg battista
How do you know? Someone tell Greg to get on here and say it wasn’t him …
I just think it is so funny that a guy talked smack under the guise of anonymity, yet provided all sorts of telling details in his post.
Someone must know who this is …
Are you guys serious bear mountain cat 3 race is pretty much a joke. 3/4 of the people there cant climb worth shit becasue we live on the northeast and 90% of the people hear are sprinters. If you got a decent ftp of 4-5 watts/kg the race is pretty easy. Last year a group got away up the first climb and it was a joke I would be pulling up the entire climb and people would be getting dropped in the break. The break was gone the entire race. And eventually it was just three guys with one guy sitting on. I also had not a single teammate in the race. So bascially with an ftp of 4.5-5 watts/kg nobody is going to be able to touch you on the climb. You will easily ride away from all but like 3 people the same holds true at fitchburg.a 20 something Greg Battista. He had no teammates, was a cat 3 who was in the break and on the podium. The winner raced Fitch as a Cat 2 so not him. 3rd place was a mtn biker who did not race fitch. 4th was Gentile who is a Cat2 but we already ruled him out. So that leaves Greg the only guy who was in the break and did not get dropped.
Greg please let us know what its like to be so awesome!
So there are no 5-8mile climbs in the NEast? Some stud climbers have come out of the NE. Hamilton on the road to name the obvious. Guys like Guptill, Lindine, Cassidy, Roger – Catskills, Adirondacks, Green Mtns and White Mtns. Some serious climbing. Actually steeper than many climbs out west.
This has recentley been brought to my attention. I do not think people should make accusations that it is me.
Great Greg. Who is it? You were up there in the race. Who is the manly man!?
Batista – 3 in both Bear and Fitch
Dan Hoffman – 3 in Bear and 2 at Fitch
Maurice Gamunho – 3 in Bear did not race Fitch (mtn biker)
Gentile – 3 at Bear and not sure about Fitch
Foundation guy –
Maybe it was the TT Vegan?
seriously, what kind of a w(b)itch hunt is this. actually i shouldn’t call y’all bitches, that would be insulting to actual bitches.
cough up 25c (+ expenses) and get encyclopedia brown if you want to know the anon poster, losers. (actually i think E. Brown refunds the quarter if the case really does involve bugs meaney)
Encyclopedia Brown and the Case of the Who Gives a Sh1t Just SHUP UP AND RIDE!!!
Dan Hoffman Westwood Velo
0:00:07 Greg Battista Team Metra/Wendy’s/Victor
0:00:18 Maurice Gamanho Yeti / CRC of A
0:01:19 Gabrielle Gentile cafeteros cycling club
st Scott Wisenbaker CRCA/Foundation
st Christian Velasquez
st Pascal Sauvayre CRCA/Merrill Lynch
st Chris Chapman Westwood Velo
Claims no teammates, so rules out Hoffman and Chapman (same team). The poster, when accused of being Gentile denied being Gentile, and also claims to have upgraded out of the “joke” 3’s. I spoke with Battista personally, and it wasn’t him (though he has upgraded). The poster DID NOT say that he raced Fitch, but only insinuated (due to the climbing involved) that Fitch is a joke in the 3’s as well. Doesn’t mean he was there. So, You have Gamanho (no teammates, but is he a 2 now?), Wisenbaker (but he had teammates, right?), Sauvayre (Also had teammates) and Velasquez.
The w(b)itch hunt continues.
Does this guy really look like a shit-talker?
http://usac.loopd.com/Members/gamanho/Photos.aspx?resourceId=4a002015-f965-4d51-85d4-4bcbdb0d7dfa
Cristian Velasquez?
Raced Cat 2 at Housatonic Hills
He didn’t care enough about cafeteros to list his team at registration
He might be a Honduran national champ? That might explain the “joke” sentiment and a couple strange grammatical / spelling errors
That mountain bike guy looks pretty chill
Crap, Gentile is on cafeteros
it’s doubtful that Maurice even knows this site exists
How do you think these riders will fair at bear mountain pro12?should we take bets?
Oh, but it doesn’t matter how they do. They are no longer in the joke field.
has to be Wisenbaker, right? it doesn’t look like he had teammates.
those are a lot of numbers…say, can i place top 5 in a cat 4 pp race with a ftp of 2.5? what about sprint number? thank you