Lisbon Quintero wins the Kissena Catching race, with Bryan Dougherty being crowned the new Kissena champion.
Sarah Sauvayre wins the Nancy Morgenstern Memorial trophy, outsprinting teammate Caryl Gale.
In the CRCA race, Igor Misicki outsprints Kevin Molloy followed closely by Anthony Allesio and Chris Uglietta – who wisely was carrying protection for the race.
Ugli wins frame prime, but promoter refuses to give him the frame for sandbagging.
Also, we have this note from the CRCA juniors:
Hello!
We just wanted to let everyone know that we have changed website locations. The new site is maintained and updated only by CRCA Junior Development Team riders. We will be adding news installments about where we are and what we are up to throughout the winter and will continue the updates and race reports during the road season on a more frequent basis. So head over to <a href=”http://www.crcajrdev.net/” target=”blank”>www.crcajrdev.net</a> to check out our report about Lewis Almonte’s recent success and check back soon for a report on the team’s experience at GMSR.
Thanks!
what the hey dudes are fit that was a fast one, the field was split all over the place on the last lap ouch
shocking news – an “A” racer is an “A” racer, regardless of the venue. the promoter did the right thing.
was pretty fast too. 27.5mph average. That quick for P Park.
Hey sandbagger – it was a CAT4 that won the C race so quit yer bitching.
I rarely question a promoter. They work hard for very little thanks and even less money. But it irks me when racers compete according to the rules and suffer for the promoter not having put enough thought into it. Offering the frame was great; probably got a lot of guys to sign up more than he would have otherwise and if he didn’t want to give it to certain racers, he should have not let them start and not take their money. He should have not made the decision after the fact. He always could have made it a Cat. 4 only race or for Cat. 4s who have done less than 10 cross races, or for guys who aren’t 3s on the road. He could have made stipulations before collecting the cash.
Cross, Road. Two different words, two totally different disciplines. Does an elite Kona-qualified triathlete who has never ridden a crit automatically ride Cat 1/2 races? Where do you figure cross and road riders are equal? Are there dismounts in CRCA club races? Not the last time I checked…
Prime
that promoter iz a dick.
So did they give the frame to anyone or just figure it’d be cheaper to keep it themselves?
I don’t think the cross ability of road racers is at issue; what is at issue is promoters being clear about rules including premes. Additionally, the term preme is spelled both ways in various flyers, race reports, etc. The verbiage is unclear at best. Lets focus our nitpicking at the right place people.
I heard the promoter gave the frame to the 2nd place guy.
when Lance Armstrong gave mountain bike racing a go, did do his first few races as a Beginner? i am pretty sure he raced Pro/Elite, at national level races, despite having never raced a mountain bike before… I think he serves as a pretty good example of the right thing to do in this situation. any 2’s or 3’s that signed up for the “C” race last weekend were just being opportunistic, and the promoter called them out on it. rightly so.
The “C” field was clearly classified as being Cat 3/4. Ugli is a Cat 3. Please explain to me why he didn’t deserve the cross frame?
ugli is to monday hangover what lindsay lohan is to us weekly.
Cross CATs are independent of road CATs and were instituted this year, but are still somewhat unofficial and up to the promoter. I suck at cross, and figured that I’d make a sandy run at the frame and give it to my coach who recently broke his.
Bob Carey, the promoter and USCF official, is a great guy and I respect his ruling.
Congrats to Kansas Waugh for winning the C race with style!
http://www.cyclingcaptured.com/gallery/3522084#199158851
Ugli and the promoter should hug it out…
Lance had plenty of experience on a mountain bike which paid off big time during the now famous Tour Pyrenees stage in which he was forced off the road when Beloki (?) crashed in front of him.
Chris, that’s a classy thing to say; kudos to you. But it still doesn’t defray from the fact that the promoter was wrong to do what he did. One time I fought with a promoter for months over a prize that should have been awarded to one of my juniors, but wasn’t. He finally relented and sent something in the mail.
If I was Ugli’s team manager, unless he wanted me to back off I’d be all over that guy until the frame was in his hands.
http://www.jsmcelvery.com/photos/1999/mt_snow/armstrong99shtrk1.jpg
http://www.jsmcelvery.com/photos/1999/mt_snow/armstrong99mtn3.jpg
I understand Lance used to train on MTB in offseason for many years. If hes comfortable off road, no reason to race down cats. Simple. If a Cat 2 road rider has never raced off road, no sense in competing in same cat. Also simple. Sheesh.
Yes. Chris is nice to not argue, but it seems that since his team mate won the bike, he was less mad. Same reaction if it went to another rider? I wonder. Chris obviously deserves the damn bike – fair and square. Why didnt he get it? I dont understand at ALL. Hes not some ringer from the bloody pro ranks for Gods sake.
His team mate won the race not the bike. From the pic’s of the sprint/crash its unclear who actually won the prime. I smell conspiracy!!!!
and I tire of this mortal coil
Did you crash that guy so you could get the frame? When you crashed him, if there wasn’t a frame prime, would you have humped him? Is your team manager a lazy fuck?
I have never heard of such a thing – I am a Cat 3 and have lost many primes in Cat3/4 crits. I have never heard of the promoter only giving the prime to the 4s. If the event is 3/4 then the prize(s) are open to the entire field. Same with Pro1-3 feilds and so on. This promoter is wrong.
The frame was awarded to a rider from the Rutger’s team. Ugli raced in the C’s and the B’s, so the promoter might have felt that Ugli was only racing in the C’s to get the frame. There were several other guys who raced in the C’s and the B’s. Very often B racers will use the C race as a warm up. The rules are a lot looser in Cyclocross.
Adler’s team manager yourself. Here he is:
http://www.senorcafe.com/archives/jdh1.jpg
Wait, I thought you had to actually be good to be considered a sandbagger?
So what if you race the Cs and Bs. Some Cat 3s who are trying to get better would race the Cs to win and the Bs for training. So if you race two events (bring more money in for the promoter) and challenge yourself you are penalized? This promoter should send Ugli a frame if the facts are as previously stated.
At least in cycling it seems
I was third going through the prime line. Adler dude tried to sprint around yellow jersey/specialized helmet dude, didn’t make it, the yellow jersey guy crossed first, they both went down. I passed them both. I was third through the prime line. Adler dude dropped out. I lapped the yellow jersey dude. The prime rule was that the first person to cross the line(and finish the race) gets the frame. No mention of Category, or any other small print issues was discussed. Simple as that. I don’t know who got the frame, but by what the verbal understanding, given the information that we all got, the yellow jersey dude that crashed with Adler dude should have gotten the frame. If he had not finished, then I would have been next in line.
Also, it wasn’t a winners prime, it was a first lap prime. Not at the finish line, but at a line adjacent to the finish, on a gravely/grassy area, right after the little rolling downhill, before the off-camber section.
If the rules are as you say then Adler/Ugli did not deserve the bike if he did not finish.
He rides like bull, saw him in yesterday’s club race fighting his bike up the Harlem hill, missing gears as he tried to shift while peddling. In the sprints he goes from side to side, crashes going for a prime, the video where he rams the rider from the back but remarkably stay us without his bike. Many more examples. He should be in the next Jackass movie.
Interesting information. The plot thickens! Didnt finish the race? Changes all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6th2FGeyfE&NR=1
I laughed. I cried. I fell in love with cycling again. I hugged myself and gave myself a little kiss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EZQ_nK8x1g
It scares some other riders into giving you space
Music is supposed to enhance the visual experience. WTF?
I’m not saying the dude was out of control, but it sure was a bad spot to get tangled up. The dude that went down with him didn’t look like the steadiest rider out there. Dangerous spot to put a prime, thats for damn sure. They should have just made it at the finish line, that way you have a nice wide open, fast, and flat blacktop road to fight out the sprint.
I don’t really know what the promoter expected to happen there. There aren’t to many primes that DON’T result in a sprint, so why would you put it right at a blind turn, on bad surface???
So who did get the frame?
an why call it the hole shot when it’s some spot 5 minutes into the race?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ikbII6fsQSA
How can you not enjoy Paulo’s win with those beats?
Did somebody say Hole Shot?
Andy, Can you please remove the derogatory remarks about Ace of Base – that person is obviously not a real fan.
The frame that was up for grabs was called Hole Shot.
who’s Van Dessel and how can I get him to give me the hole shot?
Van Dessel is that guy in the action movies and he’s pretty hot and def macho. I’d do him, and I’m not even totally gay. I think he travels in private planes/airports though so that kinda sucks.
The powers that be have yet again committed a great injustice. the Van Dessel hole shot is fraught with conspiracy and intrigue. Please help out by making a donation to:
http://www.uglyfairnessfund.com
I may be banned, but that won’t stop me from taking on the man!!!