Hangover 6/11/2007

by schmalz

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Hangover 6/11/2007

Horace Burrowes wins the 123 race at Prospect edging out that “Awesome” guy, with Genaro Cespedes winning the Cat 4 race. Apparently some pair of fellows also slapped it out for the Cat 4 title belt. Did you know it’s made of medals?

New Britain and High Bridge also happened, but they aren’t quite as quick to sling the results as Charlie I.

Can you guys just wait and watch while I try to parallel park my car? “Don’t stop believin’…”

103 Comments

863

Good riding by Will O’Donnell but in describing races, unless it’s the top men’s or women’s event of the day, you should specify which field. Johnny Hayes won High Bridge.

Anonymous

Looks like Will O’Donnell had a good weekend for Westwood Velo netting first at High Bridge, first at the Watermelon Crit and Fourth in the Lincoln Mercury Amateur Time Trial. Those silly NJ guys. What are they thinking? Only two wins in three races?

Captain Ed

Did it two years ago. 19 mile loop, really interesting course. Several longish climbs, 3-5%. Loops around the island, crosses over a causeway with a decent climb up and around a lighthouse. Short climb prior to finish, then 1000m to the line. Huge turn-out, over 700 riders, well run, whole town is pretty much shut down. Usually held on Columbus day. We had great weather, but it’s obviously a coin toss. Cat 4’s did two loops, 38 miles.

Anonymous

it’s in october, right? did it a couple of years ago, weather was crap that day but a beautiful course, not much climbing (one harlem hill type per lap, otherwise pretty flat) Very well run race, the town is really into it.

Anonymous

moreau won a bicycle race this morning, this inherently stating that he did not get 10th place.

Anonymous

“everyone except the Mengoni guys”

You’re confusing the joggers’-lane line with the finish line.

Anonymous

Green Jersey has been reported to USCF. His license will be taken away. He’ll be no longer allowed to race.

Anonymous

you can go into the jogger lane to avoid a crash, obviously, but if you do it to advance that’s a DQ. Everyone knows the difference

Anonymous

Any USCF penalties or do USCF officials dq people for popping over a yellow line for a nanosecond and allow punching?

schmalz

Start to festivities is listed as 1pm on site. Fields are usually whittled down to about 10 riders by the time the race is over.

DHR

schmalz, please no more images of your nutsack. Why can’t you just be classy stick to fart jokes and flipping off people who come around you after sucking your wheel for the entire race?

Anonymous

Anyone no the field size for 4s and 3s (50 or 75)? Also, no start times on Bike reg or the promoter site.

Anonymous

I was in the Balloon 3/4 and didn’t know there were punches thrown IN the race. A lot of people must have had bad weeks at the office last week. I also want to get it off my chest that I called one guy an a#$hole in the race, but it was sort of under my breath.

Anonymous

I think the incident and getting pulled over for about 4 minutes (it seemed anyway) allowed about 25 riders to catch on after getting dropped on the first climb. Not really fair to the racers. That could have been the difference of a top 25 or not if those chasers ended up doing better later in the race.

Anonymous

So this sounds like a tough race that is short and with a small selection from the gun. For a 30 minute drive to the race it seems worth checking out either way.

Fatty

Is a race for a select 10 or so guys who are not fat by any stretch of the imagination.

It was sick seeing Fran McCormack going up in his big ring.

schmalz

Is like taking your genitals and slamming them into a car door each time you climb that hill in the race.

You are left gasping for breath like a carnival goldfish after a foolhardy escape attempt each time up the climb.

I desperately want to finish this race just once. Stupid Park Ridge – I can’t let you go…

Anonymous

Smaller field (just charge a bit more to cover), more marshals, and one person violates, the entire field is DQ’d.

Anonymous

park ridge, with respect, is kind of a weenie race. its basically like a 1k circuit with a steep 60 second 20% climb on turn 1, then flat to down back around to the climb again. entire race comes down to getting ove rthe climb with the field.
its a fun, nj local race. but its really short. short course so they run each field one after the other. they only have the town circle for a few hours so i think the cat5 race was like 19minutes last year. cat3 race was something like 46 minutes. the p123 race gets longer but not that long. 30 laps, 2 minute laps kind of thing.
short , harsh, fast, but not a heavy race. good race but not something you peak for. good vo2mx effort.

Anonymous

the dude is always at the top of the standings. i think he’s like just about 40 or something like that. and he offers up some really funny jokes from time to time. impressive. scarey that he’s just coming into form. must want 1st place at fitchburg this year after helping Rif get the green fleece last year. brutal for the res tof us.

Anonymous

Whats the buzz on this race? Course length and how techical? Field max size? Fun factor. Sounds like a race that suits all types of riders who can get up moderate hills fast.

Clubber Lang

I told you foolz I was still the champ! Now shut up and let me train. I gotta race to win this weekend.

Anonymous

I would like to reiterate that cheating in all forms – doping, rec lane violations, excessive pre-race performance-enhancing espressi, coming around Schmalz after he tows you around an abandoned airfield, etc. – does have consequences:

http://tinyurl.com/2sjwop

Congrats, Clubber.

Anonymous

why should i have to buy more cones when i already pay almost $30 to race every weekend?

cones also help to keep peds out of the race path. my point is that, especially along that side, there is almost no indication that a race is going on.

Anonmously Eddie Burlem

More cones are not going to help. Actually this Saturdays race saw less cones and my race seemed smoother for it.

A rider who is going to use the rec lane will do so regardless of the number of cones the only thing a cone is going to do is get kicked into the field.

me

we need more cones at prospect. especially along the west side drive around the picnic house. it gets pretty crowded in that area and i see rec lane violations all the time there.

Anonymous

I can tell you that Jiminy the officials did not play around. The Cat 4 pack got pulled over after dropping the weak on lap 2 because some guy threw an empy water bottle afte the feed zone. They threatened to DQ the whole feild if the guy did not come forward. He did and was DQed. They made the same threats re: the yellow line rule. A rather large women in a big Checy Pickup truck was not playing around.

Anonymous

If you want to do something about it, just get the rider number, make sure you have another person who saw it confirm that and tell him to meet you post race or at least have that witnesses race number, and then tell the officials post race immediately that you protest. Only really works if they place of course, but you could also tell them in case the rider is a regular and they could be suspended. Its how to get something done if it pisses you off that much…

Abider

Has anyone ever been punished for violating the joggers lane rule, either relegated or otherwise? For as much as the promoters talk about it it happens in every race, incl. CRCA, and you never hear of any penalties…or do you? Sometimes I think all the talk is just that, talk to keep park officials happy.

Anonymous

Yeah, in the bunch on the first lap and some guy let a gap open in front of him. I took it. Nothing dangerous, I just manuvered in front of him. He didn’t like this much and punched me in the shoulder.
Told me he’d punch me in the face if I did it again.
I shouted out his number and told him I was reporting him to the officials.
He cooled down and said he was sorry.
I don’t think he was from the city, though.

Anonymous

How about someone on motorcycle behind the field spotting those who do it. Has that been tried and does it work?

Anonymous

At the balloon festival there was also a promise of a punch in the 3/4 race. Did not look to see who it was but from the conversation between the two involved it sounded like the one hit the other’s arm and then he wanted to or said that he was going to punch the other in the face. He later said sorry and we all felt much better. This was on the first or second lap.

Anonymous

Agree with the comment below. These few idiots, riding the rec lane, screaming and this time actually throwing a punch that will screw it up for everyone else.

Let’s see how they feel when racing is no longer allowed in the parks.

Bikekiwi

The Cat 4 race at Prospect was what it normally is. Far too many people shouting instructions on what the other riders should do. It was also filled with those who feel the rules don’t apply to them and use the rec lane to advance everytime they loose their position. Even some riders who placed used the rec lane to their advantage more than once during the race.
Using the rec lane/ crossing the yellow line in amature racing is just like doping. Peoples justification is that others are doing it so what’s wrong with me doing it.
The funny part is that these people go home and tell their friends/ spouses/ workmates how well they rode, how they won, knowing that they actually cheated. I wonder how that feels.
There’s nothing wrong with the how the races are run. Charlie and his crew do a great job. The problem is actually the guys on the bikes. Too much frustration in the rest of their lives that ends up being taken out on fellow racers.

Wanna be Ridin' Dirty

That’s two ‘cross references in one June Hangover. Not fair. We have like 4 months til the first cross race. Don’t tease me!!!!

Anonymous

While Charlie I. can always use more help. Almost everyone that helped out on Saturday registraton was Kissena. In fact, so many Kissena members volunteered, that a couple just watched the race.

Anonymous

charlie i races are really only kissena in name. there is actually very little involvement from the kissena team as far as i can tell. the team is supposed to help with registration and set up but i generally see one kissena helping at most, and then a smattering of other people from other teams. that said kissena has a great history and racing legacy and i’m glad it’s still around. also thank you once again to charlie I

Clubber Lang

Thats what I am talkin about foolz. You best watch out when you see me coming to the line on my bike because Clubber dont play. One more thing, Rocky beat me on HGH and thus cheated. I was 100% clean.

Anonymous

Clubber did not comment on the team’s racing tactics only the fact that like many local teams Kissena puts on alot of races and helps promote the sport. PS – Clubber was robbed in Rocky 3.

Captain Ed

Our local bike shop/team puts on four races a year (pretty pedestrian by NYC standards)and I can attest to the amount of thankless work that is involved. With out Kissena, Charlie, and yes, even the oft-maligned Ray Smith, there would be no racing.These guys ain’t making much money, it’s about the sport. So how about keeping the criticism positive and stickin’ to the rules (jogger’s lane, pee-in’ in the bushes,fighting, etc.). You really don’t want to lose these races.

Annoyed Clubber Lang

So you are telling me road racing in NYC was as big pre-LA era and post Lemond era? I recall Mtn biking was bigger in the early 90s. But in any event your a tool for disecting my comment by focusing on a tangental fact. My point is dont rag on clubs making a positive difference in the tri-state area. Now shut up before I hurt you real bad.

Anonymous

Yes it’s true without Kissena there would be no local racing THANKS KISSENA for allowing me to have a local race scene.

Anonymous

I heard his first name is spelled “Jonni” with a smiley face as the dot on the “i”.

Is that true?

not on Jonathan Adler Racing

Does Jonathan Adler Racing consider the Jonathan Adler Racing to be a developmental team?

Clubber lang

The fool who is dissing Kissena needs to get a life and check himself before he wrecks himself and then get a clue.
Most clubs are made up of newbie bike racers since road cycling only took off again in the late 90s (LA era). Without teams like Kissena, Adler, DC Racing, Sids, Avenue A, BVF, Conn Coast, Edgmont, etc etc., you would not have a local racing scene or new riders coming into the sport. I would guess even the top teams (Empire, Mengoni, Champ Sys and Sakkonet) are made up of riders averaging less then 7 years experience. So don’t rag on clubs trying to grow the sport and make a positive difference in tri-state area by bring up new talent and putting on good events. Otherwise, Clubber will find you.

Eugene

3rd was Rafal Urzedowski.
And it’s *Boronow*. Although I’m sure they’d adopt me if I asked, I’m not one of the Burrowes brothers.
And Roger’s last name– funny, but it’s Aspholm.

Anonymous

so you’re saying that the Kissena guy must have had poor racing technique, and therefore it was OK for someone to punch him in the face after the race? And this can all be blamed on the Kissena cycling club that’s been around forever and helped grow the sport in NYC? Assuming that’s remotely what actually happened, your argument sounds like backwards logic to me. I don’t know anyone on Kissena, but they seem to be doing a great job.

Anonymous

1. Johnny Hayes Sakonnet Technology U25
2. Roger Asbalm Westwood Velo
3. Northeast Hardware rider
4. Eugene Burrows Mengoni
5. Phil Gaimon Sakonnet Technology U25

Anonymous

kissena seems pretty good. so, there was one incident with a kissena rider on saturday. big deal. same types of things happen from time to time in crca as well.

Anonymous

pro12 – asphlom (westwood) 2nd, eugene (mengoni)4th, mike magarite (empire)6th

cat 3 – WS united rider 2nd, shaw (empire)4th

some guy never been on Kissena

Calling Kissena a farm team for other teams and thanking them for helping with local racing is the right way to say things. Look on the positive side please, don’t go around dissing or putting a negative spin on things just cause they aren’t perfect.

NY cycling needs Kissena.

Anonymous

They are a farm team for some of the better local teams. And, it seems to work. If you look at the history and riders that come out of Kissena it is quite impressive. Look at Jared or Hincapie both were on Kissena.

Anonymous

Thanks to Charlie Issendorf and Alan Atwood, Kissena keeps promoting open racing in the area. It is silly that people knock it rather than support it.

Anonymous

Rufus Pichler got 4th at Balloon Fest on Saturday.
He was def the first from NYC.
He races for Kissena and I think this is only his second year racing.
Says something about the club.

Anonymous

All I said is basically he is icky icky poo. He is one to threaten to sue…so I wont hold any hard feelings about removing my little dig

Kissena Member

You have a right to your opinion, but I disagree with you. I joined last year, as a new racer and got plenty of good advice from people with many years of racing experience. Club racing is the traditional way amateurs have always raced. Kissena has a long history as the only open Brooklyn-bsed club.

Btw, without Kissena and Charlie I, there would have been no race last Saturday.

Long time reader first time poster

Kissena the “club” year after year entices new racers and pretends to be knowledgeable enough to teach them how to race. Really what it is as a club of beginners mentoring other beginners. It is a never ending circle of negative racing and poor racing tactics.

Not sure if punching someone in a race is called for but I can see why you might want to.

Littlefield

Fun and low-key race, loaded with preems. Few times guys tried to get away, everything reeled on a pretty easy and pack-friendly course. 41 Miles, 24.5 avg.

Jason Schneider won it, Joe Zavardes (sp?) took 2nd. I don’t remember the rest, but Alan Atwood (thunderous applause) had instant results for everyone. That guy is awesome.

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