Hopeful Friday July 27, 2012

Hiding near Brooklyn

If I were hiding I wouldn't tell you I was in Iowa

Why didn't you move over and let the rider move up?

Since when is being in IOWA different from hiding?

I think it was Steve.... Here is a 100% crop of the wheels crossing the line....

http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/Cycling/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace729...

I'm not hiding, I'm in Iowa

I was racing a road race down in VA with a yellow line rule .. there was this one guy constantly moving up across the yellow line - all race long - (when he was out there and next to me - and a car would come up - he'd look over as if to say let me in and i looked back as if to say "f*ck you.. he had to drift back to get in the bunch) - anyway - at the end he got DQ's and I rode past him in the parking lot bitching because there wasn;t enough room on the propper side of the yellow line to move up - it's called following the rules dudes - if you can't race on the course - don;t race!!

It's been about a week and the DA frenzy hasn't let up. No one is pro doping and everyone has an opinion.
Ultimately the CRCA will have the most influence on what penalties and future measures will be implemented. Perhaps the CRCA should hold a meeting with the sub-teams and then an open meeting for members. You should get involved and contribute your thoughts to the CRCA. The officers and committee members do their best and when a situation like this happens they are overwhelmed. Help them help you.
Stop posting on this site, Dan and Andy can come out of hiding and we can all get back to work.
This too will pass and let's try to have a positive result ie; a stronger CRCA with more member involvement.

It would aappear a few people are doping in the NYC peloton with PEDs, but based on the comments around here lately, everyone seems to be doping with excessive amounts of estrogen.

The solution is quite simple - stop racing in public parks.

If a white rider sprints thru the joggers lane he can get a way with it because no one will protest.

And if a
1. Black,
2. A sprinter,
3. A foreigner,
4. A non-English speaker
sprints thru the joggers lane he can get away with it because everyone will protest.

Who's the winner this lap for the Sprint Points ?!?!?

http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/Cycling/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace729/Pro123-Lucarelli/24454047_FnGkzC#!i=1994691965&k=mprZgDB&lb=1&s=A

I will add that the guy that crashed out another rider ABSOLUTELY deserves to be suspended.

The guy that sprinted around joggers ABSOLUTELY deserves to be suspended.

Both were extremely, egregiously, unacceptable behavior, there is no room for interpretation here and LOTS of people saw both.

You might be right that there is inherent bias against certain groups of riders but that doesn't excuse extremely dangerous riding.

on the new Kissena kit?

Dangerous riding is dangerous regardless of color, national origin, or language.

There has been a lot of it lately, and it needs to stop.

As long as everyone knows they can get away with it, it won't.

To answer that question, consider how many corroborators would line up if the "suspect" were:
1. Black,
2. A sprinter,
3. A foreigner,
4. A non-English speaker

Then consider how many would corroborate if the suspect were a respected white guy.

So, how many non-officials (i.e. racers) does it take to corroborate a Joggers Lane sprint, or a takedown?

Common Sense:
Yes, it's not up to us to patrol ourselves. But not to the extent that it gives give power over each others. It can lead to another form of cheating-- disqualifying your competitor with false, or biased, charges.

It's also the basis of most fairly-applied legal systems, where a citizen's word holds less weight than that of a police official.

I think you haven't calmed down yet.

Yo, hdfaksjhdlfa. That's some dumbass logic you have there. It is up to us to patrol ourselves and hold on another accountable.

Its basic logic.

To the Common Sense person--
The guy attacking in the joggers' lane wasn't spotted by an official. That makes the situation very different, in that it's not right to punish someone solely on the word of another rider(s).

Calm down.

so how many dopers are going to be busted in this Olympics?

wasn't it a slap in the face that Vinukourov won the Olympic road race gold, after coming off a doping suspension? In any case I am glad he won, it is like Borat winning. It would have been even better if the colombian rider won.

too much western hype.

Follow the money trail.

It is all about money.

Let me see if I understand.

Charlie I and the CRCA keep telling us that if we go into the jogger's lane and hit a pedestrian we can lose the right to do our world championship races in the parks. in fact, Lumaconi and Cavatelli state on their BikeReg page:
"VERY IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ!!
Riders must not enter the "recreation" lane (aka jogger's lane) on the left side of the roadway for any reason. Any rider entering this lane, even momentarily, will be disqualified and suspended by USA Cycling and will not be permitted to race in NY Parks for three months and will not be permitted to race in any Kissena Cycling Club event in Prospect Park for one year."

So some guy cheats (dopes) and hurts no one other than himself but gets a 2 year suspension. Then some other guy cheats ("full on sprint into the far left of the jogger lane around some pedestrians - that was pretty ugly") and he gets "reprimanded".

Purposely taking riders down -- OK
Sprinting thru the joggers lane -- OK
Using dope to rain harder -- 2 year suspension

Which rules should we follow, and why?

The guy attacking in the joggers' lane was reprimanded by an official after the race.

but...as there any dopage?

Todays race was a total sketch-fest. 2 big crashes on the same lap in the 1/2/3s....during the finish I saw either the yellow jersey or the green jersey (can't remember which) in a full on sprint into the far left of the jogger lane around some pedestrians - that was pretty ugly & no one said a word about it - it seemed more like a cat 5 race on crack than guys with experience.

Results are posted at USAC for today's event.

www.usacycling.org/results/index.php?permit=2012-1256

If your not listed its most probably one of several reasons:
1. You didn't cross the line in a reasonable time period of the winner of your race or pack. (we can only film so much before another group comes through)
2. Improper number placement (we can't read it, no result)
3. Incorrect License number on registration forms
(BIG PROBLEM TODAY as several guys I got right on camera but my system uses USAC numbers. Give wrong number, get wrong name.)

best,
David Sommerville
Sommerville Sports Results Service

I kinda doubt it. Some of the masters are pretty hardcore sprinters.

If you're a masters doper, please, make it less obvious by just outsprinting us at the end. You'll still win, but just not as obviously.

Bondidigital.com in case you wonder what makes a guy like this "tick". See, it's not enough to have started two successful media companies. If he can't also have the glory of winning industrial park criteriums, life just isn't complete.

Dopers, just remember this when you're winning: Most of us old-timers can spot you out. We just have too much class to say anything to you about it. Few people develop that well that quickly and we know that you're probably not one of them. I've met VERY few masters prodigies. I remember riding Prospect Park once about eleven years ago. I'd just come back to racing after a years-long hiatus. I watched an old guy (like me) sitting about 5th wheel in the Cat 4's. The pace was already really high for a 4's event anyway, and we'd been going full-tilt for two laps already. And I watched this guy very casually look at his gears and explode out of the saddle like he was Fabien Cancellara and just ride away from us like we were nothing to him. He stayed away, gaining time on us with each pedal stroke. He repeated this several times until he upgraded.

That was the first guy I'd ever seen where I immediately said to myself that he was doped-up. It was so obvious. And he was.

bonds looks great - he looks like he's really a cyclist - good for him// i think bikesnob is pretty funny - it stays readable after all these years - a bit long at time for my attention span bit humorous - now - he's no toto but humorous / what again is commesso toto?

Haters gonna hate! Suck it bitches!

DA got what he wanted...people know his name. Imagine, he's doing interviews with the NY times. Sorry the dope sucked the fun out of the sport for you Davey. Oprah next?

The Lisban question is an interesting one though. As one of the stars of the local scene why didn't Lisban's positive test get met with the same ire. As Andy said we've rolled this thread into multiple pages and that's never happened here before. Is it simply the nature of the substance. DA took EPO. Gold Standard stuff. Is it the time of year? A bit later in the season and guys are more tired and burnt out? NYVelocity simply have more anonymous watchers and thus more vitriol? Or is it that DA wasn't a star? Sure local wannabes liked to pretend he was the real deal, but truth is he wasn't really more than good. Is it that no one is surprised when a guy like Lisban gets popped, but a guy like David Anthony represents the common man and cheating in cat 4 and 3 races seems so much more egregious than doping at Basking Ridge.

Snob is played out -its all getting routine. Needs to find something new.

Sorry but I have to agree. Snob is just tiresome. Easy to be above everything when you don't do anything. And you have to be seriously retarded to find his tired act funny.

No man. Fuck YOU. Snob is hilarious and you're a vulgarian douchebag with nothing to offer. Go crawl back under a rock.

Fuck the snob. Eben sucks at everything so he mocks everything. Built his audience by kissing Armstrong ass. Fuck him.

Barry Bonds looks fucking great. His head is 1/10th of its previous size. He may be a doper, but props to him for showing what cycling can do for your physique if you're dedicated.

That bikesnob paragraph is fabulous. It makes the CRCA and NYC riders appear silly.

Just came off of a doping suspension - I am looking for a few good races to enter. any suggestions?

I am a European pro riding for Rob-a-Bank.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/barry-bonds-sports-loo...

Ouch, and note the zinger at the end comparing baseball/steroids with doping in cycling...

More ammo for why to test.

For a good time check out the photos of the various participants in the men's road race this weekend. Deer in a headlight passport photos of all your favorite riders.

I think Fuglsang may be a trannie - http://www.london2012.com/athlete/fuglsang-jakob-1078170/.

FBF: http://www.fastalracing.com/FBF20120724.pdf

i ate the FBF results.

Joshs to Jenny Craig

You get some nice South Africans. Nelson Mandela for one.

King Tubby to Mengoni

Where are this week's FBF results?

There's the Lime Rock race in CT, a chance to race on a real auto race track! Perfect pavement!!

And Olympics! Go Evie!!

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

Just racing in Prospect Park is enough to make the entire field test positive for Cannabis....the park is pretty fragrant at that hour in the morning.

New York City's amateur bike racers have long been on the forefront of taking themselves seriously and so this is the logical next step. Sure, testing a bunch of hobbyists for performance-enhancing drugs is a lot like calling the IRS to audit your Monopoly games, but when you've already got the equipment and the uniforms and the coaching programs and the high-definition finish line camera for the race where you win a turkey and you've upgraded every single component it's possible to upgrade then buying yourself a comprehensive drug testing program is really all that's left. In any case, to my knowledge this is the furthest any amateur racing club has inserted its helmet up its own posterior, which puts them deep in uncharted "waters"--though it should all be worth it when the person who places third in the "B" race tests positive for THC.

Yes, indeed. I am a bit relieved to see this sign. Sun is out. Pavement is dry(for now). Races to do.

i am going to win the sprint to the buffet at the wedding i will be at. totally going to be turking the dessert table...

Josh are you gonna win a sprint this weekend?

Where can I watch a clean cycling event?

Where can I watch the olympic cycling online and unedited?