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Walter Viru, then and now

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 3:02am by Andy Shen

Shane Stokes has a story up on CyclingNews about the arrest of former Kelme doctor Walter Viru.This arrest helps to validate Jesus Manzano's story about Viru receiving a tipoff in advance of doping tests. But if Manzano was telling the truth about Kelme, what does that say about institutionalized doping at US Postal/Discovery? See Jean Issartel's story below, translated from the original l'Equipe story from June 5th, 2007:

He became a gardener but on this occasion Jesus Manzano is collaborating with the Italian justice Dept. Tomorrow he'll go to Rome to help the judge who is investigating Basso to decode the medical prescriptions and to recognize the doping products. Jesus Manzano, the ex-cyclist of Kelme is an expert. In 2004, he admitted that he took drugs during his entire career and he almost died because of it. The Spanish Justice buried his story but the investigation of the Spanish Police has revealed one of the biggest scandals in the history of cycling. Manzano has still things to say about it....

"Are you feeling a little pride about the effects that your statements are having?"

-I'm just telling my story to the paper, AS. I was the first but others confirmed. Dario Gadeo (an ex-cyclist of the Paternina team) and probably others without any fanfare. The problem was that the first judge who came to interrogate me was Italian was Guariniello and not Spanish. More sadly, the Spanish Judge despite everything I told him, didn't think there was anything to investigate more or less ditto for the Spanish cycling federation. A la fede, I gave them viles of epo with prescriptions, with all the proof to confront everyone. But they deem it worth pursing.

"You seem disappointed. Though you're collaborating with Italian authorities and you're only waiting a call from the L'AMA to make yourself available to them..."

- I will continue the fight if it will serve a purpose. It Italy, France and Germany, things change. In Spain I prefer to let it go. Here, nothing's changed. I'm tired. I don't have any faith in the (Spanish) authority. I remember during the Vuelta 2003, Fuentes arrived at our hotel driving a porsche with thermoses of epo on the passenger seats without hiding them. At the same time, at the Giro or the Tour, we were already being careful.

"Why were you being so careful?"
-They called someone who wasn't part of the team to transport the products. In France it was a nurse her nickname was Paloma Blanca. They paid her 27,000 euros to do this. Each cyclist paid 3,000 each. She transported epo, testosterone, the synthetic hemogloblin (veterinarian) from hotel to hotel. She was and still is the fiancee of a mechanic who is working for Caisse d'epargne team. Everyone throughout cyclist knows this story. I gave all the proof and said everything but there's too much pressure and probably too much money and too much money to loose. And so the truth is everyone in Spain is still doing this.

"How can that be?"
-Belda is working for a team and Fuentes and I can guarantee that he'll begin again on a smaller scale. He's still helping athletes recuperate from their efforts. Why wouldn't he still be doing what he was doing before? He's free, the justice didn't sentence him for what he did even though he had proof.

"Manolo Saiz, one of the managers in the pelotons, isn't influencing anyone anymore...."
-Don't dream, he'll come back. For the moment, he's occupied with recuperating his money. He'll be back. After that, he'll let the time go by and then he'll begin again to get new sponsors. These new sponsors will ignore who he is and look the other way. In general, don't kid yourself because they fired one or two sporting directors. Jose Miguel Echavarri (who was the former director of Indurain's Banesto is now the owner of Caisse d'Epargne.) He has explained that his cyclist Valverde is clean. I must be dreaming! Valverde was with Kelme and he was the only one not doing anything wrong....he's in it knee deep with Fuentes. And Echavarri says that he doesn't know anything and he's never seen anything but I know that he personally brought Zaballa to Fuentes. And Jose Maria Jiminez didn't know anything was going on either? So then I'm affirming to you that the world of cycling in Spain is completely corrupt. From top to bottom it goes.

"What exactly are you talking about?"
-I want to give you an example, something I've never spoken about except to the police up until now. It concerns one of the four Spanish Laboratories credited by the UCI. This laboratory who is in charge of sending the "UCI" vampires (doctors)to take the samples during the Vuelta and other races is the same lab that's in charge of the doctor visits to the cyclists, they follow the cyclists and give them the stamp of approval on their licenses. The owner of this clinic, a renowned hemotologist, called Walter Viru, who is one of the doctors for Kelme to alert them the day before the uci vampires were coming to take the samples from the cyclist. And he did the same thing with Del Moral, the doctor for the U.S. Postal team and then Discovery, a good friend of his.

"Are you certain about what you're setting forth here?"
-I experienced it in 2002 and 2003 during the Tour de Spain. I gave the police have all the details and the name of the clinic. Even better I remember one time Viru who acquired the russian epo wanted to know the purity of it before he used it. And so he gave a vile of it to this clinic and had them confirm it was good. An important detail, this laboratory is still accredited by the UCI. When I talk about the mafia, I don't use this word lightly.

"You mentioned Jose Maria Jiminez, el Chava, who died in 2003 from a heartattack. Was it the drugs that killed him?"
-Of course, like it killed Pantani. The drugs lead you to other addictions. The anti-depressants almost automatically accompany other doping treatments. I took up to 8 pills of prozac a day when I was racing.

"Why"
-Prozac cuts the appetite, keeps you in another world, a world where you're not afraid of what you're doing. You're no longer afraid to inject yourself with all the crap. It takes you to a world where you don't ask any more questions especially you don't ask your doctor questions either or your sporting director. Then there are periods where you must stop doping you feel like superman. Then one day all of the sudden it stops and you become dramatically depressed. Look at Pantani, Vandenbroucke and all the others we don't even talk about. They are numerous other cyclists and former cyclists that are addicted to cocaine, heroin and other medications. It's not just in the world of cycling.

"What did you have that El Chava didn't that kept you from falling into a depression?"
-I wasn't a professional cyclist for so long. El Chava stayed 13, 14 yearswith his team and I stayed 5 years. and frankly if I stayed 3 more years, I'd be dead from it. I knew Pantani and I knew him well. In 2002 and 2004 he came to work for Clarvoyrl and we rode together and we partied together. Too many years in the business and unfortunately more to follow.

"What's the solution?"
-Fire all the sporting directors. Riis is showing the example. It's good that he admitted now that he has to make the next step which is to quit the sport. How can he be taken credible? He's admitted to doping and now he wants us to believe he's going to go back to cycling and this is supposed to make us believe drugs won't be used anymore? There's only one solution: he must leave! And along with him all the sporting directors who have been working for the past 10 years have to quit also. They're the responsible ones. The directors are the ones who blackmail the cyclists they put pressure on the riders to take the epo and all the drugs and the cyclists can't refuse if they want to ride for the team. These directors are the ones who prolong the system and little by little pressure the pros into it. First you go slowly, then you fall slowly then you realize you've thrown everything away. They say to you "here's your choice: you do want we say or you're done cycling."

"How do you explain you never tested positive?"
-I told you about the clinic that fudged everything. There is a red powder that's made in an illegal lab just for them outside of any controls which destroys the urine sample. This powder comes in the form of a grain of rice that we put into our penis before we pee. The russian epo caused my teammates to be caught.

"What do you think of cycling today?
-It was my dream, my life. Today I'm completely indifferent to it. How could it be otherwise? When I see Valverde, Mancebo or Sevilla win I know what's going on. And that kills my love for the sport. Cycling is corrupt. You can see that on the side of the roads there's nobody left cheering on the cyclists except for the Tour. Even the cows aren't duped. 

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even tiger dopes. i guess,
By: pearl e. gates
Wed, 01/06/2010 - 2:55am

even tiger dopes. i guess, just to be sure

You still wake up sometimes,
By: Mathis Rubber Hood
Tue, 01/05/2010 - 9:31pm

You still wake up sometimes, don't you? You wake up in the dark and hear the screaming of the lambs.

Manzano's not so fond reflections
By: Paul Chainsuck
Tue, 01/05/2010 - 9:23pm

yeah, the sport has had to deal w/rockin' dope, of one kind or another, for decades.
OK it's a dirty sport. so is Nordic skiing, track......
all you purist lambs of hero worship..........get over it!!
take your pull and go to the back o the line.
all Cycling can really change is tires, & ban race radios for the riders.
THAT'S IT !!

movie talk
By: Dubbed
Mon, 11/30/2009 - 4:31pm

prefer a good foreign elitist movie myself

oh i forgot the world is easy
By: Enzo Clearcoat
Sun, 11/29/2009 - 2:01am

oh i forgot the world is easy and black and white like a good old western for america .....

smearsmegma
By: Pistol Grips
Sun, 11/29/2009 - 12:03am

blah blah blah blah blah
same song, same verse

the smearing
By: smear no more
Sat, 11/28/2009 - 3:58pm

yeah, Jesus dealt coke; Emma was a whore; Greg is a drug addict; Betsy's a bitch.

Please, come up with something different. How about this is why no one of postal/disco ever tested positive while on the team with Armstrong?

Manzano's rebuttal:
By: Raphael Dropout
Fri, 11/27/2009 - 1:23pm

http://www.as.com/opinion/articulo/manzano-era-mentiroso/dasopi/20091126...

Jesús Manzano's rebuttal, published in yesterday's AS. For those who don't speak Spanish:

Jesús Manzano was a liar in 2004, remember? Let me refresh the memories of those who don't remember what I told AS: "In June of 2003, Walter Virú took a litre of blood, enriched with EPO, from me in Valencia, and he divided it into two bags. I used one of the bags right before the Tour. Before one of the mountain stages, I medicated myself with Oxiglobin, a type of hemoglobin used on dogs. I escaped with Virenque and began to feel really awful. I pulled out and they took me to hospital, and the late Joan Mas told me: 'Don't say anything, because in France they'll throw us in jail.' That night, in the hotel, I was as bloated as a ball. When I got back to Spain, Virú called me and told me: 'Vicente Belda wants you to inject the other bag.' I hadn't even injected half of the other bag when I started to feel shivers going up my spine. They gave me Urbason and put me on the train back to Madrid, but I had to quit because I thought I was going to die.

"Yesterday, several newspapers which had attacked me, out of ignorance or taking me for a liar, were writing things like "Manzano identified Virú as far back as 2004'. Some of them are now calling me and I'm dealing with them, out of good manners. Now, in the end, it seems that Jesús Manzano isn't as big a liar."

manzano was a coke dealer and
By: Gaetan Internal Routing
Fri, 11/27/2009 - 7:21am

manzano was a coke dealer and pimp for russian prostitutes, saw God when he passed out in the Tdf. used to sell syringes of water as EPO to neos ....

TOM DROPOUT
By: CRIT KING
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 6:59pm

Dude, it's evident you've got a hard-on for LA. Take a deep breath and compose yourself.

Rice in pecker
By: Tom Dropout
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 2:13am

Seriously-
What hasn't Lance put in or on his pecker. Dude humps anything. Used to hire prosties for the Postal team party in Vegas too. Rice ain't got nuthin on hookers.

Brooklyn Bridge For $ale
By: Joe Public (duh)
Wed, 11/25/2009 - 7:26pm

LA is clean, there's no way he doped. Seriously, he had cancer, why would he dope? Or put a grain of rice in his pecker for that matter?

Postal
By: Kevlar Kid
Wed, 11/25/2009 - 3:24pm

Postal could never have doped they're American!

ps- sushi comment was pretty funny

My ween hammock is so GRANDE
By: Provenzano Saddlebag
Wed, 11/25/2009 - 3:04pm

My ween hammock is so GRANDE lolz forreals, si!

If this is cycling, why would
By: Humble Humility
Wed, 11/25/2009 - 2:19pm

If this is cycling, why would anyone want to be part of this? Just go be a criminal, like Gotti, Madoff, Bush, Bloomberg, etc...cycling as a way to express your drug addiction or criminality is like me trying to write War and Peace...
MeatLoaf!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!
lolz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you can take drugs to cheat
Wed, 11/25/2009 - 1:43pm

on lie dectectors

really

rice grains
By: Thibaut Chainline
Wed, 11/25/2009 - 9:22am

that seems like an uncomfortable way to make sushi. also slow.

Old news...
By: West Coast Reader
Wed, 11/25/2009 - 9:09am

The Manzano interviews on AS.com are from '04? or '05, he layed it all out every little detail. The UCI just needed to base their testing on his interviews and they'd catch many, but no instead they ignored it and continue with their pretend testing.

His statements about the other addictive drugs the non-performance enhancing (directly) point to our recent repeat offender of "picking up snow without a plow" or "snowblower", aka Tom Boonen comes to mind. He hits the high winning Paris-Roubaix and then needs some blow to carry him till next April?

Del Moral
By: Dong Work For Yuda
Wed, 11/25/2009 - 5:28am

Will never be questioned. Postal/Disco will never fall into light. Sadly. And Valv Piti will roam free outside of Italy as well. Lance and the Shack will take up where they left off...and I got a buck that says Bert doesn't make it through this new Viru chapter.

good stuff
By: Sacha Ziptie
Wed, 11/25/2009 - 5:11am

I always thought directors that manage all the doping should suffer much more than the doped racers. But how do you test directors? One simple solution - mandatory, well designed lie detector test for all racers and directors at least 2-3 times a year. Test is more right than wrong so why not have them show just how good of a liar they are! Ask racers about their director's involvement!

Venga! Venga! Venga!
By: Rivnut
Wed, 11/25/2009 - 5:06am

Venga! Venga! Venga!

Manzano
By: Mauro Tank
Wed, 11/25/2009 - 4:38am

This guy is the Jose Conseco of pro cycling....may not like him...but his stuff seems to have merit

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