Hangover 4/6/2009

I still only see the results from March 22.

http://newyorkbikeracing.com/

anyone know if the rock slide on h.h./palisades has been cleared?

http://kissena.info/more.php?id=482_0_1_0_M

Focusing on NY teams and doings:
1. Maggie Shirley (Radical Media) wins the race, the overall, and helps win the team trophy on a borrowed bike (Akis), a size S Giant with 175s, "tiny" bars (her words). She just swapped pedals, adjusted seat position, and went.
2. Ann Marie Miller gets second on a borrowed front wheel (also Akis) which, to be honest, Aki had to true before she could race it, hence Aki wasn't racing it. Later Aki used it because if it's good enough for Ann Marie...

I didn't post any posts before this, but perhaps one of the reasons someone re-posted the links is that I added race reports as I could, so the race results page evolved over the course of a day or so. I couldn't get race reports up until Monday, but the results were up Sunday.

Thanks to everyone that came out from the City to play at Bethel.
Aki

http://trimbleracing.com/dat/5th-place-fawn-grove-roubaix-cat-34/

Amazing race!

Anyone care to file a Fawn Grove report? Looked like an interesting race.

http://sprinterdellacasa.blogspot.com/2009/04/bethel-spring-series-2009-...

Give me a call? None of the numbers I have for you work. Robert

Rennie went to meet with Charlie - he is in good spirits but bummed. He is appreciating all the support the community has given him. He wanted to tell the cycling community that this weekends race at Floyd Bennett Field is canceled.

Charlie has yet to have his surgery.

I got 23rd in Cat 5 spring series. Does that mean anything?

Categories are supposed to be a regional ranking system. No one from USAC is saying that cat 2 from, say, Indiana is equivalent to cat 2 from California (or New York even). If you only race in the city, and you get results in city B races, you should be allowed to move up to the category that lets you race A.

"Besides using local points for your upgrade is a cop-out leave town if you want to be a 3."

^^^ wise words

Raphler is the new black

BikeReg shows Floyd is cancelled for this coming weekend

"wack" is whack.

did he loose a bet?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14060984@N05/sets/72157616316606655/detail/...

jt

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3174/3311669738_08c20c12b2_b.jpg

Who took pics at the CRCA points race?

I think that what Anthony gives us is great. Anthony has a wife two kids and his own business I'm sure that your wack ass cat 4 race results are top on his list as must to do. Next time you do as much as he does in a day and can still put on two a races in weekend with your family's blessing then you have a right to complain other wise I think we should be greatful.

Besides using local points for your upgrade is a cop-out leave town if you want to be a 3.

@ 16:41 check the bikereg.com for the Bethel spring series. I've never seen first hand, but hear it is a great race venue/series.

Raphla - understated, yet bold.

there is a website called bikereg.com, every heard of it?

Everyone begs for results and write ups - just posting it - and I get slammed.

This site really is pretty lame...I give it a whirl every year, every season I am like I will check this site out...till about April...and then all the banter and sh&* talking becomes draining.

Right? How often can you read crappy things said about people before it wears off on you. No thanks.

Ah well - till next march 2010 when I anxiously await to see if this is different

just imagine the bitching if suddenly there were no more spring series. be thankful, you ungrateful @ss wipes.

Hey guys...do you know if there are any spring races in CT?

that link is posted 6 posts under yours. do you even bother to read the site before posting?

http://www.carpediemracing.org/2009/01/circuit-francis-j-clarke-results....

still cant believe charlie i got hurt so badly, at floyd no less. esp. w/ all the good karma that guy has built up. sucks. heal up charlie

Funny that I didn't have to prove you wrong about it. Thanks to the person that posted the USAC results.

I will agree, AVD races can be crazy sometimes a bit disorganized but, you have to give the guy credit that he tries. Also, that he has one the longest running open race series in NYC. It's not easy to get help with running these races(free or paid for) at the unG-dly hour that we must compete. AVD can be more timely with results but, he gets them out these days. That is largely due to us complaining and or people helping him out where they can.

Come out, race and try to have a good time. Hope that you all stay safe - I know none of us want or can afford to get hurt.

Ray

Are they understated stylish or outright weekend warrior looking?

Here are the results from last year SS, in the USAC website:

http://www.usacycling.org/results/index.php?permit=2008-141

Actually he submitted then last season.

Race Reports and Results

http://www.carpediemracing.org/2009/01/circuit-francis-j-clarke-results....

and skip the SS if you feel that strongly about it.

i mean, just look at the post below... "Zoltan dude" that's the best we can do? c'mon. AVD needs to get it together when it comes to results.

We don't always get the SS results. This is why they can't be used for upgrades, if the results were posted on a site and specially submitted to USAC, they could be used for upgrades.

I want to side with you, but you wont be able to prove me wrong. Pleas try, show me any result from any AVD race ever in the USAC site. You wont find one.

A fifty-sixty mile race at Floyd is epic. It should be a spring series tradition. I hope it continues. I may walk funny all week, but finishing in the money was a great sense of accomplishment.

It would be nice if there were more timely updates. The idea that the guys on the leader board know what's going on is a bit erroneous. We don't. Loose ideas perhaps, but who is how many points from whom between individual categories? No, we really don't. It doesn't ruin the series though, and we should be thankful there are people out there making the effort to put so many races on.

starts on time, results are quick, accurate, clean course....it takes effort, but if you go to the races that are well run, then you are awarding effort.

thanks - was unsure of his name. That guy can definitely hammer!!

was Rob Lattanzi from Sid's.

Prospect Park P-1-2-3 results...
1) Rafphel of Mengioni
2) Loius Aquinos of Champion
3) Stephan Dioslaki of METRA/Cycles 54
4) Zoltan Racing dude

And yes...it was a windy HARD race
Everytime there was a headwind, it was attack attack attack and anytime the hill came around it was the same thing. It ended up in a long 2-man break - David, the ex-Nerac dude (I think) who now races for Mengioni + Steve of Metra/Cycles 54. This was joined by another 4 guys (Rafiel of Mengioni, Louis Aquinnos of Champion, Zoltan racing dude, Edwin of Toga) making it 6 total in the breakaway. The main field was nowhere to be seen. Going into the last lap, Zoltan dude attacked the hill super hard with only 3 others being able to respond and latch back on. Zoltan dude had major power...enough to shed Edwin & David of Mengioni. So it was down to 4. Approaching the line was the ususal cat and mouse game....Metra rolled off the front and opened approx a 50 ft gap. DAMN-IT go or not to go...go or not to go...is it to early?? do or die!!! do or die!! split second decision....Zoltan dude lays it all on the line throws it down super hard.... Metra latches on & Raph + Aquinos line up behind. Zoltan ends up in 4th, Raph & Aquinos 1st & 2nd respectively. Metra in 3rd.
That's pretty much the way it went down in the 123s for the top 4 spots.

Granted, it's better than not having a race. And you are correct, if you won or placed you will know. But unfortunately the upgrade official needs more than your personal assurance that you placed.

if you won or placed, you'll know.

otherwise, what's the big deal?

it's a race. better than not having a race, eh?

Just because a race is hard does not mean it can be used for an upgrade. You need some actual proof that the race met the minimum number of starters requirement and that you actually placed.

As far as the USCF is concerned all these races started, but they never finished seeing as no results we submitted.

You're still spending money on AVD's races and expecting a safe, well-run race or timely results?

"Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, and expecting different results."

Spring Series a disaster? I wouldn't say that. I admit, that at times AVD can be a bit slow - but, we always get the results. If you have time and want to help AVD out - I am sure he could use it and he wouldn't mind.

Also, you can use it for upgrading. Though I will say that I personally tried a few years back and was denied - though the last couple of years there has been some success in getting an upgrade from these races. Fact is, if the USCF gives the permit - then the race must qualify for points if it meets the requirements. Both Prospect Park and FBF this weekend do. Discretion though is often the reasoning for the upgrade, which is why you see my arguing for rider upgrades when they get denied.

The races have been hard and this weekends racing was a suffer fest - some of the hardest racing around town happened here this weekend. Both Saturday and Sunday had nearly 50% of the fields drop out. You don't have to take my word for it - take it from guys that are clearly spanking butt.

Ray

A wise man (JFT) once taught me, "Everyone should read the rulebook, at least once."

Rules governing points races covered by 2M.6 of the rulebook:

"2M.6 Finiah

(a) A points race ends when the leader completes the required distance. All other riders will finish on the same lap as the leader. Riders who have mishaps and are prevented from returning to the race by 2M5(b) will retain their points for the final classification. **Other riders who fail to complete the race shall not be placed.**"

Those who were pulled should not have been placed. But I don't think anyone protested in the 15 minute window.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14060984@N05/sets/72157616316606655/detail/

Not yet complete. I'm not sure how many more I'm going to process and upload.

SB/SS

You wont be able to use the SS to upgrade. It is that simple.

Good luck trying to use those well documented results for upgrade points!!

The results on the Springs Series website are from 3/22. Why bother?

Post a spreadsheet or a PDF. Take pictures of pages in the spiral notebook that the results are saved in and post those.

Do something.

The results link on bikereg.com is to 2008 results.

What gives?

well, they weren't lapped as much as pulled. but i feel you.

Any thoughts on why guys that finished a lap down but got points on the first sprint finished ahead of guys that actually did all six laps. Every points race I have ever done deducts around 20 points from a rider if they are lapped.

From my point of view, Lisban was the riding the strongest at the end of the race yesterday, but he got a flat coming on 4-to-go. We soft pedaled for a bit, but there was no one around to give him a wheel. Losing him made the endgame much less interesting.

Charlie was on the ground in the same position for a long time. It didn't look good.

KH

was a lot of fun. Nice to see more and more team tactics coming out in the races. Also a generally safe race. Did anyone else notice that a TON of guys started the race? I remember, from my strategic vantage point in the back of the field, thinking to myself, "How many guys started this race?" Anybody know the amount of starters?

Shame about passing the A's. Those guys looked so down in the mouth, but that's ok. They have team Raphla's presence to cheer them up.

Get well, Charlie!!

Idler did alot of smart racing this weekend.

lol

who won the 4 field at Sandy Hook?

the presence of the ralpha runs strong.

any pictures?

Must remember next time, Belgian ale has more ABV than American lagers. They go down so easy, but today...ouch...

in the howling wind

Pro/1/2/3 Name Team
1 Michael McGinley CCCC-IRSMedic
2 Eneas Freyre TARGETRAINING
3 Peter Hurst Connecticut Coast Cycle
4 Bryan Borgia CRCA/ Rapha Racing
5 Christopher Fisher Priority Health

Cat 3/4 Name Team
1 Kyle Peppo Jonathan Alder Racing
2 Bryan Haas IRS Medic
3 Akira Sato Connecticut Coast Cycle
4 David Kim Christian Cycling
5 Antony Slokar CRCA/Jonathan Adler Racing

Women Name Team
1 Margaret Shirley CRCA
2 Evelyn Stevens CRCA/Radical Media
3 Ann Miller CRCA/Sanchez Houlihan-Linkey
4 Andrea Myers CRCA/Comedy Central-Sid's Bikes
5 Amanda C Braverman CRCA/Teany

Masters 40+ Name Team
1 Eric pearce BetheL CYCLE SPORT
2 Stephen Gray BETHEL CYCLE SPORT
3 Abdul Kabia TarGETRAINING
4 Scott Bodin TARGETRAINING
5 Rick Magee Bethel Cycle

Actually, Gavi lapped the field, or what remained of it. Ken Harris and Rob Lattanzi (who had been with Gavi in the break) took second and third, just missing out on lapping the field.

Gavi Epstein of Champion System won yesterday's Spring Series on FBF. About 60 guys showed up and 10 finished. Gives you and idea on how hard it was!

He had about 1 minute on the guys in 2nd and 3rd.

It was a hard race.

Also, Charlie punctured a lung - he had to get surgery I heard.

Ray

ah that jpeg is classic

1st Gerry Martinez - global locate
2nd Tony Maisto - wonderwheel
3rd Gary Steinberg - global locate
4th Alan Buday - global locate
5th Tim Spence - Axis

i'm a tool!