Tracers my butt, you know how many out of work biochemist exist? They can synthesis minus any tracer for some green backs and if you have enough kaish you're in the tracer free zone.
Was discussing this with a Russian ex pro that freaked me out , he said in the 70's he used to take out his own blood , refrigerate it for a month or so then reinject it, before showing his old needle marks. He said it was beautiful " nobody ever knew " and he said everyone did it, right down to eddy .
Scared the crap out of me, as he had the strong Russian accent, and loved it a little too much.
A kidney specialist actually told me that Armstrong would have access to the prototype cera drug back in the day but then they changed the drug years later and put a tracer in it and did not tell anyone, so lots of guys got busted with it if they did not know about tracer.
I'm sure the guys implicated did something but do not agree with the way the media can basically make assumptions without proof, basically destroying lives. In the uk my old news editor went to prison for 6 months cause they wrote some guy was a peadophile , he was but until proven in court you cannot print it as your influencing the public. Say they are innocent then all the hardwork etc is tainted.
I think lance will get away with it as too much money involved but they will take someone else like Levi down
Just messing with you, lee3, since you are so easy to rile.
Got no privvy info and I have no idea which way any of this will go but nothing would surprise me, either way.
It will be an interesting year, that's for sure.
lets just hope said cyclist isnt the one that flew the Chimira flag. If its someone worthy of credibility - good - I could care less either way. I just dont want to hear about it the day before the friggen prologue. It cheapen's the news to sensationalism and IMO not really fair to the guys that are doing the right thing and are trying to have a good tour experience.
Ex: I dont want to hear Jakob Fuglsangs' opinion on Lance-gate while he's holding the jersey in a good race.
Lee3, I "know something", straight from one of the lawyers defending one of the subpoenaed cyclists that Landis has incriminated.
(1 degree of separation only)
I'm not going to get into any specifics but let's put it this way, "You will not like it".
(I'm not bs'ing with you)
...also a Circus albeit a MLB circus. Indictments to come sometime around the Allstar game? M.O. sounds familiar. The release date decision feels like it was taken right out of the cycling media handbook.
Wow. I didnt know that Armstrong hysteria has brought about its own form of language speak. Maybe Velocity should get a convention going and all you guys can dress up like Kimmage and swap your 'Lance Facts' like trading cards. As a frequent visitor of this site I'm only reassured that most of you are loud mouths spewin off facts like your're holding the armstrong/Bryneel dossier under your nose as you type. As for scandels, testing + is one thing; catching Diluca and the likes I applaud. Speculation, conspiracy, hush money, and lawyer antics is just sensationalism - and for the most part(BS)and usually backed by someone with an ax to grind or with money at stake.
DvB, you should get out your pad and pencil and make a Michael Moore movie about all of your Lance facts. Perhaps you can enlist a few more of these moronic posts to support your story. Maybe call it "Positively Cynical".
Call me old fashion but until there is something solid - I will continue to be skeptical of ALL views regarding this Circus. Its almost certain that sh*t will die down and right around June/July 2011, there will be timely updates of more B.S. (count on it)
The Hog is the nickname for Johan Bruyneel. A former pro racer who won a stage in the 1995 Tour, during the height of EPO abuse, he won his nickname for his willingness to take massive quantities of any doping product that was available.
When Mr. Pharmstrong wanted to put together a team that could win the Tour de France, he was lucky that the Hog had retired and was available for "coaching". Mostly things like, "Here's your EPO" or later "Here's your bag of blood" or during the race, "Go faster, you nitwits". Then he wrote a book called "Might as Well Win" which should have been called "Might as Well Dope".
Lee3 (and everyone else adopting an ostrich-like approach to facing our sport's problems), please stop with the nonsense that Lance "never tested positive ever." As a frequent visitor to this site, you should no longer believe that canard.
And as for your request for the immediate cessation of the sport's "shitty scandels [sic]," I think you'll find that scandals aren't released like genies from bottles, programmed to chase down your poor heroes and sully their good names. You want the scandals to go away? Then bring down the scandalous.
I remember way back in 92 at Road Natz, he tore off on lap one, 19 years old, 100+ miles solo in Altoona, and it took all of Lance's brigade to bring him back, so much so that Lance "allowed" Chan McRae to win...Lance was a "wrecker" back then and still is, you either sucked his cock or felt his wrath (GH, FL, TH, KL, MJ, how's it feel to be LA's beaches)...can't beat him, join; now he even has claimed Horner.
Kiki was her nickname growing up, Lance called her Kik.
(I think she prefers Kiki, just a thought.)
"My name is Kristin Cate, so my little brother called me Kiki when we were kids, this stuck through college and beyond until my husband (now ex), man of few words, shortened my name to Kik. (sounds like Keek, not Kick)"
Unless another person testifies that she did remember at one point, or if there is an email or recorded conversation discovered that suggests she knows anything beyond cancer, bike, France, or yellow bracelets...she won't keep quiet for long. Jail sucks and hanging out with Oprah is too much like fun.
Kik Armstrong = a criminal investigation will pierce her civil confidentiality agreement with LA. So if she runs and tells Oprah, "yes Lance did tons of epo, cortisone, blood transfusions and testosterone patches," she will be sued for a piece of the multimillion dollar settlement.
Testifying before a grand jury = much different
Spousal privileges:
There are two privileges.
1. Communications. Any communication b/t husband and wife, while they were married, are privileged, regardless of whether they are still married. Either husband or wife can assert.
2. Testimony. A spouse cannot be compelled to testify against the other spouse. This only applies if you are married at the time of the testimony.
So for example, seeing Lance hand a box of EPO to Floyd would not qualify as a communication. Maybe Lance should buy a big Kobe diamond and head over to Kik's house and ask for her hand in marriage...
What went down with Clemens? He never admitted right? Is he in jail? I just dont see what can be done with a guy 'that has never tested positive' ever. He's stating that he'll go to his grave with those words. Levi - never tested positive with Gerolsteiner. I just dont understand why (like clockwork) doping scandels pop up like some highschool soap opera and ruining what was a great Giro, ToC, and now the tour - which was awesome.
Floyd should've just kept his pie hole shut unless he has a smoking fricken gun. Otherwise wtf..this is just b.s. circus crap. Atleast Puerto had code names - this is all he said she saw and a waste of tax payer $. Go after lance on your own dime.
Ken livingston? That's goin waaaayy back. so far back that I dont care what he says or saw unless he has jpgs. or avi. files to back it up.
Go away shitty scandels so I can enjoy Nibali crush the Vuelta to cap off a good 2010 season.
Lance called her Kik, not Kiki. And I'm sure LA made her sign an iron clad clause in the divorce contract that if she rats anything he can take away the money, give her cancer, and demand that she owes him a nut. Her lawyers are already working hard to make sure she keeps her mouth shut. -"LeMond's subpoena orders him to produce documents related to the Trek litigation. Among them will be a deposition of Armstrong's ex-wife, Kristin, in which she was represented by her ex-husband's attorney, Tim Herman, who directed her not to answer a series of questions about Armstrong and doping. Herman sought to have the deposition terminated." http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/07/16/2010-07-16_lemo...
Seriously, do you all know somethin' about Livingston we don't?
What about Kiki? She would be a great stooly. Too bad she's waiting by the mailbox every month, what with the alimony/child support/hush money $$ rolling in.
Amanda August 31, 2006 at 2:20 pm
As for the Lance Armstrong thing, my best friend’s cousin is Kiki Armstrong, Lance’s ex-wife. Needless to say, I’ve never gotten a very good impression from the stories I’ve heard from them both!
GH was riding in the park this morning and last night, and some people, mostly Die hard guys were with him but the rides weren't pre arranged or for any charity, he was just riding,
You fellas have got some big balls and are theee Big Swinging Dicks.
Dirk was mightily impressed. He contacted both Pharmstrong and Phil Knight who were so awed by your presence that they are willing to play bottoms, to your tops, in Dirk's new line of prison themed Gay Porn.
I doubt you fellas are into the gay thing, (not that there's anything wrong with it, but I'm not either for that matter) but I just thought I'd run it past you.
Let me know because I have legions of fellas from Thailand and Vietnam lined up for a shot if you pass.
Awesome - exactly the conversation they're having: as long as it's proven you're not torturing animals, you can do anything you want and Nike will still pay you...
When the NYVelocity site skewers one and all, and then goes for a charity ride in Central Park today with one of the perps/snitches...now thats funny!!!
"Top me off" some Ultra Mic'lobes...
The Vein, oh the Veinity...
Oh-oh, Say Can You Sue???...
Beat My Cancer...
Grab the mic, tell the passengers to fuck off, yank the slide handle before you pocket a couple of beers and then slip on out of here! You got to raise yo hands!!!
Are now UN-AMERICAN! From tax payers dollars to un-American. What will be the next adjective used to describe those who've never bought into the myth? Hey, Lance, maybe you can call the IRS and tell them to look into this un-American Novitzky character.
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Tracers my butt, you know how many out of work biochemist exist? They can synthesis minus any tracer for some green backs and if you have enough kaish you're in the tracer free zone.
Heard eddy actually took a bite out of a dog whilst going through the feed zone, pros learn how to adapt to lack of time.
Russian was very sure on eddy, not my opinions,
I was wearing my biking shorts. Now I won't have to apply chamois cream.
And this time I actually shit myself.
at long last, we have this week's requisite "almost" ejection of bodily fluid/other refuse in response to Toto.
I almost shit myself from laughing when I read Kevin Livingston Stool Pigeon, a story.
Those of you old enough to remember a certain sea gull must have laughed too.
eddy drank horse blood in the morning before riding.
if i remember my merckx history correctly, he won smth like 1 in 3 races he ever entered in his pro career.
1 in 3.
mind. boggling.
Wow, when did eddy have time to draw his own blood? The man raced basically every day. those must have been the races he only came in second...
Was discussing this with a Russian ex pro that freaked me out , he said in the 70's he used to take out his own blood , refrigerate it for a month or so then reinject it, before showing his old needle marks. He said it was beautiful " nobody ever knew " and he said everyone did it, right down to eddy .
Scared the crap out of me, as he had the strong Russian accent, and loved it a little too much.
A kidney specialist actually told me that Armstrong would have access to the prototype cera drug back in the day but then they changed the drug years later and put a tracer in it and did not tell anyone, so lots of guys got busted with it if they did not know about tracer.
I'm sure the guys implicated did something but do not agree with the way the media can basically make assumptions without proof, basically destroying lives. In the uk my old news editor went to prison for 6 months cause they wrote some guy was a peadophile , he was but until proven in court you cannot print it as your influencing the public. Say they are innocent then all the hardwork etc is tainted.
I think lance will get away with it as too much money involved but they will take someone else like Levi down
28 it is the mm size of my ball sack...all of you haters suck my ball!
The more comments, the more Toto turns. Nice to see some getting riled by mere humor. Keep it flowing.
Just messing with you, lee3, since you are so easy to rile.
Got no privvy info and I have no idea which way any of this will go but nothing would surprise me, either way.
It will be an interesting year, that's for sure.
lets just hope said cyclist isnt the one that flew the Chimira flag. If its someone worthy of credibility - good - I could care less either way. I just dont want to hear about it the day before the friggen prologue. It cheapen's the news to sensationalism and IMO not really fair to the guys that are doing the right thing and are trying to have a good tour experience.
Ex: I dont want to hear Jakob Fuglsangs' opinion on Lance-gate while he's holding the jersey in a good race.
Not a very good lawyer if he's tellin' you stuff, eh?
Mybe u shld wrk w/ Novitsky - you seem so definitive that you know of a (+) outcome to a control that nobody else seems to know about.
Lee3, I "know something", straight from one of the lawyers defending one of the subpoenaed cyclists that Landis has incriminated.
(1 degree of separation only)
I'm not going to get into any specifics but let's put it this way, "You will not like it".
(I'm not bs'ing with you)
does this mean -
"... I bet you even think the Clean Bottle's a great idea, right?"
Lance haters translate this rubbish so normal people can understand your point.
...also a Circus albeit a MLB circus. Indictments to come sometime around the Allstar game? M.O. sounds familiar. The release date decision feels like it was taken right out of the cycling media handbook.
Wow. I didnt know that Armstrong hysteria has brought about its own form of language speak. Maybe Velocity should get a convention going and all you guys can dress up like Kimmage and swap your 'Lance Facts' like trading cards. As a frequent visitor of this site I'm only reassured that most of you are loud mouths spewin off facts like your're holding the armstrong/Bryneel dossier under your nose as you type. As for scandels, testing + is one thing; catching Diluca and the likes I applaud. Speculation, conspiracy, hush money, and lawyer antics is just sensationalism - and for the most part(BS)and usually backed by someone with an ax to grind or with money at stake.
DvB, you should get out your pad and pencil and make a Michael Moore movie about all of your Lance facts. Perhaps you can enlist a few more of these moronic posts to support your story. Maybe call it "Positively Cynical".
Call me old fashion but until there is something solid - I will continue to be skeptical of ALL views regarding this Circus. Its almost certain that sh*t will die down and right around June/July 2011, there will be timely updates of more B.S. (count on it)
Lee3, you're logic is so ostrich-like that I bet you even think the Clean Bottle's a great idea, right?
The Hog is the nickname for Johan Bruyneel. A former pro racer who won a stage in the 1995 Tour, during the height of EPO abuse, he won his nickname for his willingness to take massive quantities of any doping product that was available.
When Mr. Pharmstrong wanted to put together a team that could win the Tour de France, he was lucky that the Hog had retired and was available for "coaching". Mostly things like, "Here's your EPO" or later "Here's your bag of blood" or during the race, "Go faster, you nitwits". Then he wrote a book called "Might as Well Win" which should have been called "Might as Well Dope".
Your obsession with Armstrong is unhealthy. Ride your bike, have fun.
Lee3 (and everyone else adopting an ostrich-like approach to facing our sport's problems), please stop with the nonsense that Lance "never tested positive ever." As a frequent visitor to this site, you should no longer believe that canard.
And as for your request for the immediate cessation of the sport's "shitty scandels [sic]," I think you'll find that scandals aren't released like genies from bottles, programmed to chase down your poor heroes and sully their good names. You want the scandals to go away? Then bring down the scandalous.
Watch for the current LA disciples to begin to hedge their bets. Someone is going to jail and the association with LA will hurt them long term.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/horner-speaks-of-tour-disappointment
I remember way back in 92 at Road Natz, he tore off on lap one, 19 years old, 100+ miles solo in Altoona, and it took all of Lance's brigade to bring him back, so much so that Lance "allowed" Chan McRae to win...Lance was a "wrecker" back then and still is, you either sucked his cock or felt his wrath (GH, FL, TH, KL, MJ, how's it feel to be LA's beaches)...can't beat him, join; now he even has claimed Horner.
My advice to Horner, wind...tunnel...prologue...
Small point really....
Kiki was her nickname growing up, Lance called her Kik.
(I think she prefers Kiki, just a thought.)
"My name is Kristin Cate, so my little brother called me Kiki when we were kids, this stuck through college and beyond until my husband (now ex), man of few words, shortened my name to Kik. (sounds like Keek, not Kick)"
http://milemarkers.runnersworld.com/2006/10/why-i-run.html
shut your pie hole
Unless another person testifies that she did remember at one point, or if there is an email or recorded conversation discovered that suggests she knows anything beyond cancer, bike, France, or yellow bracelets...she won't keep quiet for long. Jail sucks and hanging out with Oprah is too much like fun.
tks for the legal points jeff. i'm assuming the age-old "i don't remember" will work well for her tho
Clemens? indictment coming...
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/top-posts/rumor-a-roger-clemens-indict...
Kik Armstrong = a criminal investigation will pierce her civil confidentiality agreement with LA. So if she runs and tells Oprah, "yes Lance did tons of epo, cortisone, blood transfusions and testosterone patches," she will be sued for a piece of the multimillion dollar settlement.
Testifying before a grand jury = much different
Spousal privileges:
There are two privileges.
1. Communications. Any communication b/t husband and wife, while they were married, are privileged, regardless of whether they are still married. Either husband or wife can assert.
2. Testimony. A spouse cannot be compelled to testify against the other spouse. This only applies if you are married at the time of the testimony.
So for example, seeing Lance hand a box of EPO to Floyd would not qualify as a communication. Maybe Lance should buy a big Kobe diamond and head over to Kik's house and ask for her hand in marriage...
Nibali will destroy Spain. (podium)
What went down with Clemens? He never admitted right? Is he in jail? I just dont see what can be done with a guy 'that has never tested positive' ever. He's stating that he'll go to his grave with those words. Levi - never tested positive with Gerolsteiner. I just dont understand why (like clockwork) doping scandels pop up like some highschool soap opera and ruining what was a great Giro, ToC, and now the tour - which was awesome.
Floyd should've just kept his pie hole shut unless he has a smoking fricken gun. Otherwise wtf..this is just b.s. circus crap. Atleast Puerto had code names - this is all he said she saw and a waste of tax payer $. Go after lance on your own dime.
Ken livingston? That's goin waaaayy back. so far back that I dont care what he says or saw unless he has jpgs. or avi. files to back it up.
Go away shitty scandels so I can enjoy Nibali crush the Vuelta to cap off a good 2010 season.
More GW Bush, or Matthew McCoughney? Oh, what's the diff?
Lance called her Kik, not Kiki. And I'm sure LA made her sign an iron clad clause in the divorce contract that if she rats anything he can take away the money, give her cancer, and demand that she owes him a nut. Her lawyers are already working hard to make sure she keeps her mouth shut. -"LeMond's subpoena orders him to produce documents related to the Trek litigation. Among them will be a deposition of Armstrong's ex-wife, Kristin, in which she was represented by her ex-husband's attorney, Tim Herman, who directed her not to answer a series of questions about Armstrong and doping. Herman sought to have the deposition terminated." http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/07/16/2010-07-16_lemo...
Seriously, do you all know somethin' about Livingston we don't?
What about Kiki? She would be a great stooly. Too bad she's waiting by the mailbox every month, what with the alimony/child support/hush money $$ rolling in.
http://www.mapgirl.net/mfc/2006/08/31/100-things-about-me-meme/
Amanda August 31, 2006 at 2:20 pm
As for the Lance Armstrong thing, my best friend’s cousin is Kiki Armstrong, Lance’s ex-wife. Needless to say, I’ve never gotten a very good impression from the stories I’ve heard from them both!
Good one......
(even the CAPTCHA question was funny... and accurate)
GH was riding in the park this morning and last night, and some people, mostly Die hard guys were with him but the rides weren't pre arranged or for any charity, he was just riding,
...
Lance never actually had cancer anyway, just a period of "returning to good health"...
Then, 4th in Vuelta, 4th in Worlds TT and RR, lookout!!!
Then "we might as well win" takes over the "program" refines it, packages it, sells it...
Dirk Demol wins ROUbaix because a plastic bag goes into Wegmuller's derailleur...but has been living it up since 88...
Scheister's, one and all...birds of a feather....
This Toto was a double kick below the belt followed by a firm stomp with a twisting motion.
...Je n'étais pas Américain avant Nowitsky!
You fellas have got some big balls and are theee Big Swinging Dicks.
Dirk was mightily impressed. He contacted both Pharmstrong and Phil Knight who were so awed by your presence that they are willing to play bottoms, to your tops, in Dirk's new line of prison themed Gay Porn.
I doubt you fellas are into the gay thing, (not that there's anything wrong with it, but I'm not either for that matter) but I just thought I'd run it past you.
Let me know because I have legions of fellas from Thailand and Vietnam lined up for a shot if you pass.
Regards,
Reid
loved this one quite a bit.
Gentlemen: this is, by far, the most outstanding Toto to date.
Bar none.
BRAVO!
9:37: what happens when you play "the choking game" too much
Awesome - exactly the conversation they're having: as long as it's proven you're not torturing animals, you can do anything you want and Nike will still pay you...
patrols the schoolyard to his victims to make hollow amends in the attempt to look good to the principal. Ah, this is good.
So long Lance. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/08/news/lance-armstrong-withdraws-fr...
Primo content.
Andy and I were in the park this morning? I have to stop slamming wine coolers before dawn!
When the NYVelocity site skewers one and all, and then goes for a charity ride in Central Park today with one of the perps/snitches...now thats funny!!!
"Top me off" some Ultra Mic'lobes...
The Vein, oh the Veinity...
Oh-oh, Say Can You Sue???...
Beat My Cancer...
Lance calling Dopey Smurf "bottle" is really funny.
the Hog?
You guys always nail it. Always spot on.
Grab the mic, tell the passengers to fuck off, yank the slide handle before you pocket a couple of beers and then slip on out of here! You got to raise yo hands!!!
This is more cancerous than Three Mile Island and Love Canal combined.
ok, the nike panel... whoa. whoa.
Are now UN-AMERICAN! From tax payers dollars to un-American. What will be the next adjective used to describe those who've never bought into the myth? Hey, Lance, maybe you can call the IRS and tell them to look into this un-American Novitzky character.
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