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As the Toto Turns 194

Tue, 08/03/2010 - 4:30am by Andy Shen

 Make a new plan, Stan

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Leadville 100
By: Dirtyrider
Mon, 08/09/2010 - 6:19pm

Jeremiah Bishop might win this year. Bottle will get crushed by locals with harry legs. LA has his work cut out for him. He will need Kobelski big time

Sucker Punch
By: West Coast Reader
Mon, 08/09/2010 - 7:19am
Other Whistleblowers that...
By: Cosimo Compliant
Mon, 08/09/2010 - 2:34am

never got back to the pro-ranks.

Patrick Sinkwitz
Bernard Kohl

Pat admitted to doping AND implicated team members.
Berny - same sh*t.

Where are they now? on the outside lookin in.

Other 'never admits':

Tyler Hamilton

that photo
By: Dylan Internal Routing
Sun, 08/08/2010 - 6:39pm

you wonder if during their bro-hug if lance asked, 'hey man, you got any extra syringes?'

Agreed.
By: Seppe Crank
Sat, 08/07/2010 - 2:25pm

The difference between Floyd and the others you mentioned is they didn't keep their mouth shut. They admitted to some small infraction (Basso:thought about doping and donated his blood, Millar: I tried it but I didn't inhale and it was only the one time when I was caught). None of them implicated others, they served their time and were welcomed back. Floyd never admitted anything, wasn't welcomed back and then admitted all the sins of others. That is the difference.

Ant1 (spot on)
By: lee3
Sat, 08/07/2010 - 10:57am

Thats exactly whats going on here. I'll add this as well: Landis embarrassed the Tour so much that any team that picks him up punches their ticket out of going to the show or any other race on the ProTour calender. I think he really wants to hurt the H.Verbrugge because he's so in lances a55 that he cant see straight. When he tried to get into ToC with a legit team (Bahati), he got the snub - otherwise Bahati would have been in. He kept quiet and now he's singin like bird.
I bet a lot of teams wanted to snatch him up after his ban. Unfortunately the UCI basically blacklisted him because of his tour exploits + the money he took from the public. Can ya blame them. That fairness fund thing stepped waaaayyy over the line of serving your sentence and then get on with things. Floyd should just go away.

this all reminds me a great
By: Francesco Dry Lube
Sat, 08/07/2010 - 2:39am

this all reminds me a great philospher...the "insurance reptile"...except its the office boy talking to the CEO "presumably"...
"so you're sticking it to the man...
yeah!...
so... you're sticking it to yourself...
YEAH!"
(pardon any inaccuracies)

we are all sticking it to each other!!!
one big sticking it to each other circle jerk!!!

Lance played the "system" the best, by far...
Just like there is no real truth to Santa or Bunny or Fairy Tales,
"I feel sorry for those who don't BELIEVE in MIRACLES"...
from the Podium in 2005, in retirement, with Basso and Ullrich by his side...somebody, MEATLOAF, run that video!!!

im with ant1 on that one !
By: pina80
Sat, 08/07/2010 - 1:06am

im with ant1 on that one !

Witch
By: West Coast Reader
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 9:35pm

One vote for Witch Hunt! Let here it for the Witches!

why landis talked
By: ant1
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 7:09pm

it's omerta. if you get caught, you keep your mouth shut, don't rat anyone out, do your time, and then we'll welcome you back. landis kept his mouth shut, but they wouldn't let him back in. payback's a bitch. it has nothing to do with him clearing his conscience, or being a low life scumbag who's jealous, or bringing others down to his level. they didn't follow omerta, so he stopped doing so too. they're all the same. there's no angels and no devils in the game, just a bunch of dudes playing by their own rules. you break 'em, you pay.

Doping in TDF '04
By: Dylan Internal Routing
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 5:46pm

versus ran footage of the TDF '04 when having problems broadcast the 'daily line'. lance following landis' wheel in small group with ullrich, leading by one minute over virenque. Hmm, everyone was caught doping but Lance.

Leadville
By: Alexis Clearcoat
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 5:07pm

Dave Wiens is no ordinary 'lone 46 rear old local'

I thought this was a comic strip?
By: Amine Chainsuck
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 2:07pm

I believe that for the sake of fairness in sport all athletes should live in concentration camps for the full tenure of their career in order to insure a level playing field. In addition, exhaustive genetic analysis must be done on all their family members to make sure they have not altered their physiology by any unnatural means. Sport is just too important, and it would be a moral travesty to do otherwise.

I don't know
By: Seppe Crank
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 1:50pm

Floyd personally, nor his doping practices. I do know some (2) of his teammates during that time period. "No one is innocent here," - I am innocent here. I may come off like an asshole with my comments, but I am not ignorant. I did not contribute to the fairness fund, but stand behind my comment that if he wants to cleanse his soul, he can start by returning the money gained through false pretenses rather than just trying to hurt others (which is all that can happen with this investigation, it is the past) or attempt to gain more money (which could also be a motive of his hence the blackmail emails and phone calls). If you are ignorant enough to believe he is doing this for the betterment of the sport or others, than you have to come out from under your rock. If he wants to help others, return the money. And my "crawl under a rock and die" comment might have been a slightly exagerated comment on my thoughts about Floyd. I am sorry I didn't put in the disclaimer that I don't actually want another human being to die. I would like him to crawl under the rock.

Seppe Crank
By: Due Diligence
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 1:31pm

I agree, I don't want my tax dollars going to this witch hunt. It's a waste. I much prefer my tax dollars go to Iraq.

9:21
By: Schbalz
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 1:12pm

if you knew they all doped, presumably you knew landis doped. you then bought his book and contributed to the fairness fund. rather than calling for getting you money back, you should keep your mouth shut because you're coming off like a real idiot.

refining the dialogue
By: Dieter Drake
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 12:59pm

Suggesting that anther human being "crawl under a rock and die" and similar comments is not terribly constructive and makes me wonder about the human race.

No one is innocent here.

Dieter

Dieter - please explain
By: Seppe Crank
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 12:13pm

what I am clueless about. I am not clueless as to doping practices and know multiple people on the inside of the professional peleton. I do not condon these activities and wish we could eliminate them and compete on a level (clean)field. I am also not clueless about Floyd. If he had a conscience, he would not have doped nor written a book to continue his lies and profit from it, nor a world tour to beg money from star struck cyclists who would donate to him clearing his name. Floyd has no conscience, and is now (that the money and spotlight have gone) trying to bring others down to his level. It is the last act of a very desperate, broken man. As I said, if his conscience is bothering him, how about returing the fairness funds and book revenue. As wrong as the doping was/is, nobody likes a tattle tale (sp). Please let me know where my ignorance lies and I will try to clear it up a bit.

You, sir,
By: Dieter Drake
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 2:15am

have no clue.

I'm still pissed
By: Seppe Crank
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 1:21am

I bought Floyd's book, and what about the contributors to the fairness fund. He says he wants to clean his conscience, I say he can start by returning all of the money earned through deception. He is the lowest form of scum for starting all this up and pinning it on his cleansing. I know everyone doped, I don't care (although I think it wrong) and I don't want my tax dollars going to investigate it. Floyd should go crawl under a rock and die. I thought I disliked Lance a lot, until Floyd brought all this up. Now I am routing for Lance to win (which I hate to do). Fuc% Floyd

it's spelled "5hit"
By: brain surgeon
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 12:25am

it's spelled "5hit"

Holy shit I don't care.
By: BK
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 12:17am

Holy shit I don't care.

Doping is not a crime in the US.
By: Jelle Fork
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 11:23pm

Doping is not a crime in the US.

Fraud is. Lying under oath is.

There are a lot of things that are morally abhorant that are not illegal. Things like B&C's attitude for instance.

Bread and Crumbs
By: Dude
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 10:59pm

You sound kinda guilty, is that an admission?

That's not a denial B&C
By: Thomas Dropout
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 10:56pm

That's not a denial B&C

You’re just trolling me,
By: b&c
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 10:49pm

You’re just trolling me, right? Otherwise please re-read what I wrote and try to understand it better.

Also, I'd re-consider classifying an entire group of people based on one particular characteristic (occupation, gender, race, sexual orientation, etc.) Besides being flat-out ignorant, it's just a 5hitty way to go through life.

Thoughts
By: Francesco Flange
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 10:33pm

In my opinion "B&C" has outed himself as one of those "investment banker/ Hedge fund" guys who lost his soul a long time ago and accepts the inevitability of cheating and graft in all fabrics of society including sport.

It's a free country.

I'm one of those romantics that believe that good should win over evil and winning isn't the only thing if it means you disrespected the sport and your own morals to achieve it.

And " B&C" if you really do think that way, join me in applauding the course that Jeff Novitsky and the U.S government is taking so as to keep the goal of fairness alive in sport.

Lance bashing
By: samurai3 WindLessBreeze
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 10:03pm

Reading your threads I get there's a lot of unhappy folks suddenly happy just because some loser ratted' on Lance.
Going around France at an avg speed of 40 mph, doing 2,3,4 mountain passes cat 1 and beyond per day in the freaking summer heat, isn't the same as doing 8 laps around CP or 14 laps around PP. You just don't do that by drinking gatorade and eating a big bowl of pasta. Grow up

LA will soon stand for "Lying
By: pina80
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 9:03pm

LA will soon stand for "Lying A--hole"

this whole LA thing just sucks and is unfortunate. im not a fan of PEDs . i got a feeling the whole LA world is gona come crashing down ..just sucks. i prob wont buy another live strong tee shirt or support LA. he got away with it for so long because he had the best lawyers and the best people to do dirty work for him and johan.

has anyone ever read lance armstrongs war by Daniel COyle? if not i would suggest you go buy it talks alot about what has gone on in the past especially the 2003 - 2005 tour with LA and all of the bs he has ecountered: doping accusation, Dr Michele Ferrari, Landis, Hamliton, and david walsh amongst others LA has called "trolls". the book tells you pretty much what LA is as a person on and off the bike.

(after i read it the second time i got this feeling that he has doped and got away with it for so long bc of the amount of $$$ he has paying people off)

i highly recommend everyone reading it and when you are done with it you will see how the Floyd-Gate thing of the last few months connects back to the book of 2003 to 2005.

my own. you want in?
By: b&c
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 4:55pm

my own. you want in?

religion
By: Suck my wheel
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 4:53pm

Hey b&c. just curious what religion you got this from "the right to put whatever you want in your own body is a G*d-given right"

Bringing a bottle to a knife
By: schmalz
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 4:18pm

Bringing a bottle to a knife fight?

qanger management
By: Verrochio Rim
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 4:15pm

I read that LA has enlisted Levi and the Trek MT Bike team to help him beat a lone 46 rear old local out at The Leadville race.

I like this....
By: Jeff Novitzky
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 4:15pm

when we take the not-for-profit off the table, we have an athlete that has enriched himself to the tune of over $100 million thanks to doping. I don't care if everybody else was doing it as that is an incidental excuse for illegal activity. Does anybody alive believe LA would have gotten 10% of his endorsements without the feel good cancer story? This makes what he has done a shameless act of narcissism and personal greed. His "handlers" can't handle what is happening now. I think the Kristin Armstrong testimony will be the most damning. Seems like yesterday she was on Oprah with her boo-hoo story of losing her "identity" being married to such a world renowned celebrity-athlete.

so i can presumably jam it
By: b&c
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 4:00pm

so i can presumably jam it into your mother's a55?

that the best you got lube?

if you could read, you'd realize there is no indication that i'm a fan of a certain celebrity cyclist. the only thing im not a fan of is idiotic insults (unless they're funny, of course) & knee-jerk, predictible groupthink reactions to any contrarian view.

bread & circuses
By: Wout Lube
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 3:35pm

bread & circuses: Please take your medication (and take Lance's dick out of your mouth when you type).

hey, you ain't gonna catch me
By: b&c
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 3:28pm

hey, you ain't gonna catch me arguing whether pride goeth before destruction or a haughty spirit before a fall ...

Not sure if the investigation
By: Bartolo Tire
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 3:03pm

is or is not important, but Armstrong was cocky, arrogant a-hole and it came back to bite him in the ass. deservedly so. You don't see anyone chasing Indurain, or even Basso around. Go arrogLance!

Anyone have any details on
By: Raphael Limit Screw
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 2:59pm
Fine
By: West Coast Reader
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 2:21pm

My $48K can be paid off by a fine to anyone found guilty. I'm for it!

not spelling it out
By: Tweedle Dee
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 1:50pm

The grand architecture created by Wiesel, Ochowitcz, LA and endorsed by Johnson, et al is about to be found out to be the enabler of the fraud.

Great idea! Exactly. I'd much
By: bread & circuses
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 1:48pm

Great idea! Exactly. I'd much prefer wristband sales. Then only people who gave a 5hit would pay for it. Seems to be enough haters on high horses out there out to fund this 10x over!

N-R S, so you'll soon be championing going after the massive fraud that's been committed by every team that's ever won the Super Bowl, right? Including each player with his own persaonal charity which helped raise funds through his ill-gotten fame based of using steroids? #56 ruined at least one quarterback's career, and I doubt he only had Wheaties for breakfast, should we get Novitzky on that case too?

Or maybe sports are just entertainment, the right to put whatever you want in your own body is a G*d-given right, it is no one's f*cking business but your own, and these guys are guilty of nothing more than a *rule violation* of a sport but not a crime?

Or should we start preosecuting yellow rule line violations, too? I think that's probably a traffic infraction. Can we get Novitzky on that?

simmer down
By: brain surgeon
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 1:40pm

civil liberties violated? whose?

fraud destroying people's lives? whose?

there's evidence of a crime, and someone's investigating. we watch because it's a celebrity. that's what happens.

disagree
By: Non-random Samples
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 1:30pm

If a fraud has been committed, then so what?

If a fraud has been committed using taxpayer money, then people are interested.

If a fraud has been committed using taxpayer money and to amass a fortune for a registered not-for-profit, then Jeff Novitzky is interested.

If a fraud has been committed and people's lives have been destroyed over it, then you should be interested.

What if we sold wristbands to
By: schmalz
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 1:29pm

What if we sold wristbands to fund the investigation?

total US debt:
By: bread & circuses
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 1:21pm

total US debt: $13,308,000,000,000
your share: $42,900
total US deficit: $1,600,000,000,000
your share: $5,100
value of federal prosecutors spending their time and your money to investigate a celebrity cyclist using his own blood and pharmaceuticals (like all 10 of his nearest competitors) to win bike races in france (which effectively no one in the US cares about) while dressed in skintight underwear: priceless

if you need to lie down with dogs and violate civil liberties to catch what has to be a marginal crime at best, i'm out. have no illusions about how some cyclists win races but this is not-even-borderline retarded.

yeah, george has been called
By: brain surgeon
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 1:06pm

yeah, george has been called to the grand jury, hasn't he? i assumed this wasn't GH because whoever it is says he hasn't been called (yet).

funny how quick the gerolsteiner guy was to throw levi under the bus. that team doesn't exactly have a great rep, with kohl, hondo, schumacher, rebellin... maybe this guy is just trying to drum up publicity for his book, but you can't help feeling like levi isn't the most popular guy in the world.

NYT article
By: CD
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 1:03pm

It's Triki (to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time)

bite your tongue, brospehine.
By: brah
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:48pm

bite your tongue, brospehine. not a chance in hell. GH knows what the word "loyal" means. he isn't a scumbag bottom-feeding opportunist like landis. will he lie to federal prosecutors? no, but he's not going to go the extra mile and shoot his mouth off to the NYT

"unidentified rider". sounds
By: i drink haterade for breakfast
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:41pm

"unidentified rider". sounds like hincapie to me

Inside the Postal Bus
By: Jeff Novitzky
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:17pm

Levi = no such thing as a "clean bottle"
Lim = I thought it was all about the ice vests
Kristin = really? really Kristin? To think I used to read your blogs on LA's web page
Pepe & Duffy = ???
In an email seen earlier this year by VeloNation, Landis implicated a total of 23 people as being either involved with doping, facilitating/helping cover up its use, or witnessing banned practices or the exchange of doping products. These are:

Team manager Johan Bruyneel
Team co-owner and leader Lance Armstrong
Current and former pro riders George Hincapie, Dave Zabriskie, Levi Leiphemier, Matt White, Michael Barry, Jose Luis (Chechu) Rubiera
The other riders on the 2004 Tour de France team, namely Jose Azevedo, Viatcheslav Ekimov, Benjamin Noval, Manuel Beltran and Pavel Padrnos
Former UCI president Hein Verbruggen
Former Phonak personnel Andy Riis, John Lelangue and Jim Ochowitz
Dr Michele Ferrari
Dr Allen Lim
US Postal service staff members referred to as ‘Pepe,’ ‘Duffy,’ plus an un-named bus driver
Armstrong’s ex-wife Kristin

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5137/Landis-investigation-riders-back-...

cleaning house
By: Simon Clearcoat
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 11:58am
Its not Vino's bro, it is
By: Paolo Flange
Thu, 08/05/2010 - 9:34am

Its not Vino's bro, it is some random Belgian lookalike from the crits

not kivilev..
By: lee3
Wed, 08/04/2010 - 3:49pm

it looks like his bro.

I changed teams ...
By: Richard Veronkadonk
Tue, 08/03/2010 - 10:16pm

more often than I changed shorts.

yahwn..
By: Mathis Clearcoat
Tue, 08/03/2010 - 4:53pm

sorry but any panels with Mandy should reference either Blades of Glory or Stuart Douglas Larkin from MadTV. I accept no less!

Contador to ride for Riis
By: Joe Public (Duh!)
Tue, 08/03/2010 - 2:58pm
Who's that with Vino? Not
By: Karma police
Tue, 08/03/2010 - 2:58pm

Who's that with Vino? Not Andre Kivilev is it? If yes, that's heavy man.

D-Nice Munchoff
By: D-Nice Munchoff
Tue, 08/03/2010 - 2:47pm

Starts with a P, brilliant!

Rock
By: West Coast Reader
Tue, 08/03/2010 - 8:25am

Nice Rock Racing Hat so does that mean they're not dead, again?

on that note
By: twitter queen
Tue, 08/03/2010 - 4:56am

I wonder what his hands are doing behind that wall.

Sometimes I pretend Denis
By: Amine O-Ring
Tue, 08/03/2010 - 4:46am

Sometimes I pretend Denis Menchov's name starts with a P.

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