There was racing this weekend. It happened in parks and in the region surrounding Metropolitan New York. Through the magic of Tommy Lee Jone’s roommate’s invention, we can find out what happened in some of these races, and that is what I am going to do right now.
At the Hunter Mountain Summer Classic in Hunter, NY, Andreas Fliessgarten of Team Baier Landshut won the pro/1/2/3 race. Kathleen Lysakowski of the Farm Team Elite Women’s Cycling team won the women’s pro/1/2/3 race. Steve Badger of Bethel Cycle Sport won the men’s 40+ race. Cliff Summers of CCC Keltic Construction/Zanes Cycles won the men’s 50+ race. Tim Ward of Hastings Velo won the men’s cat 4 race. Tracey Cameron of Stan’s NoTubes p/b Endurancewerx won the women’s cat 4 race. Matthew Moocarme of the CRCA won the mens’ cat 5 race. Results are here.
Meanwhile in Prospect Park, Stephen Alexander of Foundation won the pro/1/2/3 race. Charles Altchek of Foundation won the cat 4 race, and Riley Joinnides of East End/Krebs Cycle won the act 4 race. Results are here.
There was a CRCA points race, but no results are posted as of yet. There was also the Freedom Tour Race in Stirling, but they haven’t posted their results yet either.
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http://www.usacycling.org/results/index.php?permit=2013-2444
doping control tricked out the nyc scene. they didn’t show. my guess is they’ll be around for the megoni race. in any event, the avg speeds remained pretty high despite the fact that pre-reg was relatively pathetic and dismal compared to the norm. it was 27 mph avg @ Lucerelli Castaldi (which my guess had around a field of 50 or so) and a 28 avg (in the rain and all) @ the Freedom Tour which i’m guessing had around 60 or so(btw, this was won by marlo redman – Jamaican dude in the pink/black kit)
Seriously I don’t think anyone thought USADA was coming this weekend. When there are two races on the same day attendance get’s split. People who don’t want to drive go to Prospect. People with cars who want to race for a bit more cash go to the Freedom Tour. It’s not complicated.
But as long as you’re in to conspiracy theories NJ has yet to set up the same testing program as NY state. So no dope tests at the local jersey races.
Local associations being responsible for testing is frankly ducking stupid. USADA should handle it. Does sntkne really buy into the idea that testing six guys over the course of the season is some giant leap forward?
Just so you and everyone else is clear, USADA does the testing and controls selection of races for testing. This is part of USA Cycling’s “Race Clean” program which NYSBRA was one of the first to sign up to.
USADA has the schedule of races and chooses which races to test at. The ONLY people that know in advance of the testing are the race promoter (who needs to ensure logistics are handled) and a couple of members of the NYSBRA Board. Very specifically for the testing performed at Maltese, Jeff Poulin as president of NYSBRA was made aware of the race being selected, he then informed me and Matt Vandivort as the race director. As it happened Jeff was also the CR for that race.
As with all other testing performed by USADA, the event must provide people to assist (chaperones) and this was done while keeping the testing a complete secret until 12 hours before the race.
I seem to recall that people chuffed at GFNY for having doping control procedures in place and look what they found. Sure we could choose not to test, but I would like to hear your argument as to how *not* testing will help reduce doping in the amateur ranks.
NYSBRA doesn’t do anything except agree to pay USADA for doing testing at the races, you moron.
who on earth is that photo of, who is tommy lee jones’s brother, and what did he invent? inquiring minds want to know.
http://tinyurl.com/kacszzu
The point is they local associations shouldn’t have to pay for this stuff. When testing on the national level is largely a joke, it’s sad that funds that could be used to grow the sport are being used to handle these things
The idea of testing in the local races is sad and dumb. The fact that there was way more talk on this board about doping and speculation than about all the racing this weekend. Ugh.
it is also sad and dumb that anyone would dope at local races
Our sport has a serious image problem. Every time someone has a great performance in a race, he or she is under suspicion. That has to stop.
Sponsorships have been lost at the local level, regional level, national and international level because of doping.
Ask Deiter about the impact doping has had on Battenkill or ask the four sponsors of US Domestic Pro teams why they did not continue sponsorship in 2013. The best dollars spent on cycling now at the local or any other level is to weed out the cheats so the sponsoring entities are drawn to the sport again. There is a limited amount of marketing dollars in every company’s budget. If they think there is a risk that they can be embarassed due to their investment, they are not going to make the commitment. The good news though is that if the image of our sport can be repaired, it can grow in size beyond our best hopes.
It’s not just cycling, sports in general have image problems. For every winning performance, there are reasons to hate and people looking to do so. Track and field is currently embroiled in controversy with several top sprinters testing positive for drugs. In basketball, Lebron took his talents to South Beach and immediately became the scourge of the nation for many haters. Baseball fans hate Jeter for being injured; then when he’s playing well, they criticize his womanizing. Hell, in formula one, look at the flack Pirelli has taken for their tires this season. And don’t even get me started on Tebow. Haters gonna hate. Not that I have any creative solutions to offer though…
I hate whiners on anonymous message boards.
At Freedom Tour this weekend a Montecci rider was pulled from the line of the Cat 3 field because he was a cat 4. There were at least 2 other experienced Montecci riders in the field who could have told him this wasn’t his race. This is after their s**tstorm of jogger’s lane violations at Maltese. Love this team.
Did the winner of Freedom Tour get any Freedom Fries?
bottom line is this. as a result of testing @ the Maltese, it has scared away the dopers from the NY Racing scene – it couldnt be more obvious. So, the testing has already taken affect and is making a positive impact. keep it coming
i think it’s too early to conclude that…Late July/August is the same period of time guys start to get a little over-raced, I know I am, so registration starts to drop off. We’ve been at this for 5 months straight, some of us every weekend and during the week too.
If the Mengoni doesn’t sell out you might be on to something, though…
@Robin Chamois – I wonder if it was the same Montecci Cat 4 rider that attacked on the neutral rollout at Maltese?
Montecci to Foundation
I have to ask this and wonder why it is not the trend now but why do teams feel the need to get “local” sponsors or any sponsors at all aside from a shop discount… I use to love how teams I rode for would be sponsored and I would still end up shelling out thousands on shit I did not even want or like just because it was the sponsored good…
I think the unattached group of frieds is the way to go these days. Buy kits that you like (all the same), and bikes you actually want to ride etc and put the money towards the industry that we are trying to support (ie buying all this from your local shop). Instead teams get some crappy freebies, spend thousands on kits and gear that they would not normally buy and then buy everything else online from ProBikeKit. This rant was really started cause some dude stated below that local sponsors were down… due to the image problem cycling has.
And by what objective metric are we assessing the fleeing of NY dopers from the scene? The promise of three total tests has accomplished that? David Anthony doped and went to a race where he knew there would be testing confidant that the few administered tests would fall on other riders. This is three tests out of tens of thousands of starts in the five boroughs alone. Guys won’t even obey rules about rec lane violations, free laps in park races, or even jumping in the race late. Do you really believe they fear a small amount of testing?
What CRCA team offers free doping? I want to join that team.
Yes
free doping to team GFNY p/b david anthony.
so did everyone come up clean from the Maltese? That would be good news…
New Jersey (NJBA) is exploring a ride clean and testing program. It will happen in time.
Well Then, I guess top Brooklynite Pro-1 riders wont be crossing
the river to Joisey anytime soon
Pros beat the tests regularly. We don’t need to throwing away on testing. Guys need ethics classes.
Yep, ethics classes.
Velo Ethicists p/b Elliot Spitzer
Lisbon and Juan Pineda both use the same steroid (19-norandrosterone and 19-noretiocholanolone) and one of them is already signed up for Mengoni. Not a bad idea to do dope tests at mengoni
Well! So much for Beatin around the bush
Ward, don’t you think you’re being a little hard on the Beaver today?
very convenient for someone on Foundation to know about testing ahead of time.
A reasonable conspiracy theory except that I don’t think USADA told anyone in NYSBRA/CRCA who they were going to test until they arrived that morning, which was after the start, and Rod was in Europe and Matt racing. That leaves Poulin, whose familiarity with honor codes makes him rather unlikely.
The crca is a club, or just like a big team with 700 members. Why not have all members sign off to allow internal testing. Kinda like garmin does. It would be way cheaper to pull off more testing.
skipping Vuelta
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/50532/Contador-to-skip-Vuelta-a-Espana
At the Freedom Tour, the cat 3 rider who was pulled was Alyxx (Noel Johnson) – seemed to be some misunderstanding about his upgrade. He’s a good guy, I’ve raced with him before. He likes to attack at inopportune moments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emMY4prGaK4&feature=youtu.be
that sucks for him. he needs to print out his authorization to race from from the USCF.
Is that his porn name?
Cheating Pros ruined cycling’s image. Therefore, test a bunch of beer league amateurs to repair that image.
Ipso Facto reductio ad absurtum QED tempus fugit.
nothing like a stinging rebuke in latin on an anonymous bike dork website.
go mental, write dear abbey next.
semper ubi sub ubi
How come I can’t make any friends?
Confused,
R. Stiff.
but, he does actually make a very valid point.
Clean or Dirty? Name a rider, people reply clean or dirty. Go.
The HGH fog is so thick, I can barely make out the rider….wait, who it that skinny guy coming upon us? Why….why, it’s some bald guy in his late 30’s!
cesar marte got 2nd @ the maltese invitational. then, the next week, cesar marte got 2nd @ the freedom tour crit in nj. doping control test results on him from maltese are due to be in o/a monday. lisbon got 4th in the freedom tour race
Robin Chamois: Please stop the rumors and gossips about our team. I respectfully ask you to first fined out the facts and them make your comments . We didn’t know about Noel racing as a Cat 3 being a Cat 4, we Asked him right at the line if he was upgraded and (with a smile) he said YES. It is very difficult to manage a team, and impossible to manage it perfectly, we all do our best to promote and keep the team at races and be competitive with limited or not resources. Sammy did not go by the joggers lanes at Maltese, he does not need to do that to win and Noel lied to us at Freedom tour. If you want to tell me anything about our team write me at gustavo@montecci.com. We are trying to build a team and cooparate with cycling at the city. Stop pushing people away from the sport by doing this type of comments. If a rider needs to be punish for anything I will do it, but not without the information and withness.
Gustavo to Montecci.
Oh wait, he’s already there. I’m so silly!
Bunde is still my favorite
Saw a montecci rider pushing the yellow jersey, pro1/2/3 lucarelli, into another rider, almost making Everhard crash, reckless. Pushing rider instead of using his breaks, priceless.
Henry, there are a lot of riders on your team that I like and fully respect.
But sorry, the way he rode was amazing at 41!! I am happy he left because I really don’t think that guy was legit at all.
As far as pushing Latin riders away, the upgrade thing is dumb and USAC can be blamed for that nonsensical policy. As for this guy being a Latin/Caribbean rider, I believe the doping culture is much more widely accepted in South/Central America and Carribean Nations from what I’ve read. A few bad apples have set the tone for the rest of these riders by getting caught pretty often. By the way, these guys were handed suspensions this week for being extra stupid: Paulo Vargas Barrantes, Pablo Mudarra Segura, Allan Jose Morales Castillo and Miguel Armando Ubeto Aponte at the Vuelta a Costa Rica. Recently USADA suspended Juan Pablo Dotti (ARG) and Yosmani Pol Rodriguez. One rider who attended the Vuelta a Costa Rica described the hill climbing as “sprinting up the mountains”.
Ridiculous riders like that 41yo are why your team sometimes gets the flak that it does. I was in breaks with this little guy, so I know how he rode. When he’s tested and comes back clean I’ll reconsider my sentiment.
The only Montecci guy that ever bothered me was the rider from last year who looked like he was in his 40s and on a few occasions rode away from the 3 field at CP and caught the Masters. I’m not saying it’s tough or easy to ride away from the 3s but to catch the Master’s really? http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/Cycling/NYC-Spring-Series-32412/Cat-3-and-4/22085272_mFf2bd#!i=1762600847&k=8BkCR84&lb=1&s=A
The hamburgler strikes again. (get it?)
And you guys pushed an amazing rider away from racing because the gossips. That guy just got 15 in a 2.2 race. He was given a cat 5 license then 4,then 3. He still run away from the pro 1 at 41. OYu guys need to stop pushing people away, specially Latins and Caribbeans.
Also Henry, the DR which is where this rider came from I believe is one of a few countries with cycling races that does not have any WADA NADO.
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/anti-doping-community/nados/list-of-nados/
don’t forget the mengoni rider jumping into the Bethel 3/4 race earlier this year to help Montecci bring back the break.
My beef with some members of of this team is the fuck you way they ride. All over the place with no regard for anyone in their proximity, or their safety. A total disregard for other riders. Come on man, it’s amateur racing against other amateurs, quit watching Cav videos
Henry: Not sure how any of this is “rumors and gossip” when (a) multiple riders of yours were reported by multiple people for rec lane violations and (b) as you yourself say, you had a rider trying to race in a cat he wasn’t allowed to be in. No one is saying anything bad about you, but as a sponsor of a team I would think you would be concerned about your brand based on how your athletes act.
Regarding culture–
I think that in some countries, doping expected and understood. It’s out in the open.
But in the US, doping is hidden. Those who do it have a dirty secret. We have a serious drug-dependency problem in the US (all kinds of drugs), and we hide it.
I don’t think latinos are more likely to dope. But I think that there’s a difference in what is/isn’t accepted in society.
(Remember the Joe Papp list? Mostly masters racers).
This Montecci guy was mixing it up with the Cat 4 field during the Dave Jordan race. He didn’t have a number. He said he was just “training”. A couple of the guys told him to back off but he didn’t.
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/2013RaceSeasonSeason/Dave-Jordan-Memorial-Race6113/Cat-4-Dave-Jordan-Memorialcat4/29752752_ZqKX7B#!i=2548612251&k=Dwc58mg
Henry/Gustavo, I would like to commend your team for switching up their kit design. Anything is better than those horrid, jail-house stripes from last year.
Is that the rider last year who was winning every cat 5 race and clearly should have upgraded but didn’t. Anyone else remember this?
O you believe that there are guys stronger racing in the New York Area, He is not the first one, Seam Smith killed the league by almost lapping a field in PP,. Cycling is measure by levers so qhen someone comes from another country or another league that is stronger, that riders is going to shine. Our field is not strong at all, cause we could not drop Moser last year. My brand is different as the team, I said before, if someone has any complaint to send me an email and I will have a one to one with the rider. It happen last week and I had a one to oen with that rider. A LM, other were DQ for Jogger’s lane but instead the mention our team. Do you remember the big crash last day of Lucarelli? find oout who cause it and why. as per doping, I do not support hide or defend it, but can;t either accept accusations without any evidence, just cause someone is stronger. Peace.
That guy is not a member of the team, just because he has a kit. you can look at the USA cycling list of our riders, This guy is not part of our team and I challenge anybody to tell me if they saw him in any race or series. We sell kits to make resources and cover expenses, Im the only sponsor. Sorry for the inconvinience, but he could also be wearing a Mengoni or a Garmin kit, he is not one of our rider.
The Bethel incident was a lie, we do not need no rider to help us, the Mengoni rider was not suspended for that and instead they want to blame our team, again. We in a race, we race to win, sorry for that, but we are not the only one. open you r elbows and hold tight, cause this is a bike race regardless if it amateur or not. Again, if anybody has any suggestion about my team give me your name, wrote me an email and I will answer. and I agree about the stripes, that was Ugly.
Just have a solid talk with your riders please. Your team didn’t develop a reputation overnight. It’s been creating it over the last two seasons. Call it like I see it.
Now it makes sense why Zabel beat me in that Gran Fondo. Duh!
I still think is biased, sorry for my honesty bet we are not different than other teams that push, go by the joggers lane, Difference is that we are Latinos and we play hard. that’s my sense of all this.
By playing hard you have to also respect the rules. At two races with neutral rollouts your riders attacked from the gun during the neutral rollout. Just plainly not aware of the race instruction being giving, just doing whatever the heck they want. It’s one thing to play hard, but this is reckless and you are being called out on it in a public forum. Do something about it and stop the excuses. Then maybe your name will disappear from these boards.
henry – i never almost lapped a PP field. thx, back under my rock i go.
Henry, I totally get where you’re coming from. Especially after reading your facebook wall which was an interesting conversation. For me and I only speak for me, the issues I’ve seen over the last couple of seasons with certain riders, none of whom do I know by name, have nothing to do with being a group of Latinos/Carribean riders. The issues as I saw them were individual. I have great Latino friends through cycling, some of whom are on your team and others are on teams like Foundation and Mengoni. I believe these individuals are great people and I applaud their abilities on the bike. But like I said there are a few that seem to spoil it for the others out there.
For example, I have some great friends on Foundation who are Latino. Sadly some on that team do some shady things and it reflects on everyone. i.e. criterium bottle feeds on a hot day. I think if a team has enough mishaps, even with one rider it eventually looks like the whole team. I’m not saying this is fair or right, but I think it tends to create an appearence on gbehalf of a team.
I just think it’s a lot less about race than you and others think it is. Sometimes guys like Rhassan Bahati will get shoved in a race and play the “race card” and complain the move was raciially motivated. I think that often it’s just racing and he got shoved. It could be racially motivated, but I mostly doubt it. He would see it as Racially motivated whereas I would see it as just a dick move from one rider to another. Who is more right or wrong. No real way to tell. So maybe the cycling scene here is racist, but maybe a core group of Latino/Caribbean riders are doing shady things repeatedly and eventually it appears to reflect on others.
Got it. Racing like your idea of a pro must make you a pro, so cutting across guys front wheels to move up a spot is not some bumbaclot move.
Huh?
The Bethel incident wasn’t a lie. I watched it. The officials were inquiring into it.
Maybe in the Caribbean it is socially acceptable to take PEDs. Well, here in America, it is considered socially acceptable to publicly and anonymously accuse people of cheating with no evidence.
zabel to mengoni?
Catskills reg closes tonight. https://www.bikereg.com/Net/18431
Dieter– that’s nice, but it’s neither doping nor racism.
Oh. Sorry. Carry on.
Who farted?
“Listen up, fartface.”
I just wanted to say that. Thanks.
You guys are idiots if you think guys avoid races because of USADA. Look at the foundation guys everyone is so suspicious of, they go to crits all over the country and guess what……USADA IS AT ALL OF THEM.
Lisban tested positive because he was going to races WITH testing. Dopers don’t think they are going to get caught even if they get tested.
Usada being at Lou Maltese was fine, but come on, no one skipped L&C because they were scare of testing.
USADA is certainly not at all of those crits.
“Look at the foundation guys everyone is so suspicious of, they go to crits all over the country”
or, this can mean they’re not doped, therefore not avoiding anything– like the rest of us. It seems more logical than your assumption.
Alleged items from the Rusvelo trash can after ToAD.
https://twitter.com/TheRealPSIMET/status/362724673403887617/photo/1
@me
that was I was trying to say, guess I should have been clear. I don’t think they are doping and I know they have been tested several times.
@Tristan Headset
Have you been to an NCC crit? Or have you raced in one?
http://www.usada.org/media/sanction-marte2314