The weekend has passed and now it’s time to explore the placings and in the case of the Harlem Race, place band aids on the boo-boos.
At the Lucarelli & Castaldi Cup in Prospect Park, Scott Savory of Adler won the pro/1/2/3 race, Christian Venegas of USI won the cat 4 race, and Andrew Estevez of Innovation Bikes won the cat 5 race. Full results below.
Results from the Housatonic Hills Road Race aren’t posted yet, but we do know the KoS™ Ted King won the pro/1/2/3 race, other results are sketchy, so please feel free to let us know who won.
At Harlem, the German track duo of Christian Grasmann and Leif Lampater of Transportation Alternatives presented by Rockstar Games held off the pack to finish first and second respectively in the pro/1/2 race. Laura Van Guilder of Mellow Mushrooms won the women’s 1/2 race. Ramphy Zorrilla of Innovation Bike won the cat 3 race. Andrew Estevez of Innovation Bike won the cat 4 race. We send out our wishes for speedy recoveries for all those involved in the mishaps, and hopefully if you had a crash you ended up handling it like this guy. Results for the race are here.
Lucarelli & Castaldi Cup Results
June 19, 2010
Brooklyn, NY
Pro/1-2-3 presented by Lucarelli & Castaldi
44 miles
96 starters
1. Scott Savory (CRCA/Adler) 1:39:25
2. Gavin Robertson (CRCA/Foundation) s.t.
3. Roselvert Marte (GS Mengoni) s.t.
4. Anthony Lowe (CRCA/Die Hard – Think Racing) s.t.
5. Igor Volshteyn (Champion System) s.t.
6. Jermaine Burrowes (CRCA / Dave Jordan Coaching – Zephyr Graffiti) s.t.
7. Alessandro Natteucci (BVF) s.t.
8. Amaury Perez (GS Mengoni) s.t.
9. Abraham Soler (CRCA/Foundation) s.t.
10. Anthony Taylor (CRCA / Dave Jordan Coaching – Zephyr Graffiti) s.t.
KOM #1 Presented by Everlast Nutrition
1. Lisban Quintero (CRCA/Foundation)
2. Jermaine Burrowes (CRCA / Dave Jordan Coaching – Zephyr Graffiti)
2. Alejandro Guzman (CRCA/Foundation)
KOM #2 Presented by Everlast Nutrition
1. Jermaine Burrowes (CRCA / Dave Jordan Coaching – Zephyr Graffiti)
2. Tadeusz Marszalek (Kissena)
3. Alejandro Guzman (CRCA/Foundation)
Sprint #1 Presented by The Coyle Group at Morgan Stanley Smith Barney
1. Lisban Quintero (CRCA/Foundation)
2. Wilson Vasquez (GS Mengoni)
3. Euri Madera (CRCA/Foundation)
Sprint #2 Presented by The Coyle Group at Morgan Stanley Smith Barney
1. Horrace Burrowes (CRCA / Dave Jordan Coaching – Zephyr Graffiti)
2. Lisban Quintero (CRCA/Foundation)
3. Euri Madera (CRCA/Foundation)
Category 4 presented by Lucarelli & Castaldi
31 miles
91 starters
1. Christian Venegas (USI) 1:13:10
2. Christopher Barbaria (BVF) s.t.
3. Victor Lopez (Innovation) s.t.
4. Sheldon Warner (BVF) s.t.
5. Jamal Nichols (CRCA/Foundation) s.t.
6. Greg Fowlkes (CRCA/Rapha Racing) s.t.
7. Aviv Maizlin (Hudson furniture racing team) s.t.
8. Gustavo Francisco (Innovation) s.t.
9. Todd Bender (CRCA / Dave Jordan Coaching – Zephyr Graffiti) s.t.
10. Kerrick Caesar (Kissena) s.t.
KOM #1 Presented by Everlast Nutrition
1. Victor Lopez (Innovation)
2. Pedro Sanchez (DC Sebago)
3. Raymond Jones (Hudson furniture racing team)
KOM #2 Presented by Everlast Nutrition
1. Victor Lopez (Innovation)
2. Joshua Parker (Kissena)
3. Raymond Jones (Hudson furniture racing team)
Sprint #1 Presented by The Coyle Group at Morgan Stanley Smith Barney
1. Christian Venegas (USI)
2. Victor Lopez (Innovation)
3. Chris Yack (Kissena)
Sprint #2 Presented by The Coyle Group at Morgan Stanley Smith Barney
1. Chris Yack (Kissena)
2. Jamal Nichols (CRCA/Foundation)
3. John Buenaventura (CRCA/NYVelocity)
Category 5 presented by Lucarelli & Castaldi
17 miles
38 starters
1. Andrew Estevez (Innovation) 44:23
2. Kevin Schmitt (Kissena) s.t.
3. AlfonsoTorres (Mexico-New York Cycling Team) s.t.
4. Patrick Burns (CRCA/NYVelocity) s.t.
5. Michael Santaromana (Fil-Am-Tri) s.t.
When Alan Atwood officiates races, he posts the results on his website very quickly:
fastalracing.com
Full Housatonic results were posted last night.
I need to vent. 1) The women also had a field at Prospect Park this weekend. Yet we were left out of the results… 2) Crashes and mishaps meant that the women’s Harlem race started late (by about 20 minutes). We were told on the line that no matter how late we started that the race would still end at the regularly scheduled time so that the men would get to start “right at 4”. We got to race for 11 miles… Why were we the only one’s who had our race cut short by crashes in other fields?
If we keep treating women like second class racers, they won’t keep showing up to races.
Caroline
To Caroline and all women racers on Saturday:
FYI – after Prospect Park races I drive to my dad’s house in Queens to drop off all the race equipmnet. I grabbed all the results sheets and went back to my apt in the city to type up and post the results. It was only then that I realized I left the women’s results sheet at my dad’s house. I came back to my dad’s house this morning to get the results sheet.
So here are the results:
Lucarelli & Castaldi Cup Results
June 19, 2010
Brooklyn, NY
Women
17 miles
5 starters
1. Caroline Savage (CRCA / Dave Jordan Coaching – Zephyr Graffiti)
2. Lisa Mazzola (CRCA)
3. Helen Roth (Kissena)
4. Gabrielle Fisher (CRCA)
This year I have made an effort to promote more women only races and I must say how dispappointed I have been.
Here are 2 examples:
1. At the Kings County Challenge race on May 2, I had a separate women’s only race at 8:30AM. 2 women pre-reg’d. I thought for sure more women would sign up on race day but not only did no women sign up on race day, the 2 pre-reg’d riders never showed. So the officials, pace driver, camera-guy and myself all sat around for the hour the women were supposed to be racing and waited for the next race to start. We all would have liked to have slept an extra hour in the morning.
2. After years of women asking if I could hold a separate women’s race at Prospect Park I finally figured out a creative solution to hold this race and 5 women showed up.
I’m starting to wonder why I am making the effort if the riders will not support the races.
Charlie Issendorf
Race Director
Kissena Cycling Club
ohnohedin’int
So many ways women are treated poorly in the local and regional bike racing scene — women’s 3/4 field being cancelled at Fitchburg (except for the crit and TT — a baby stage race), virtually no division of categories in weeks of CRCA races, the way the women were treated yesterday at Harlem,… Women work hard as men all year, spend a lot on equipment, coaching, etc. and then get such treatment. It’s not right. And there’s lots of potential for growth.
That said, given the attitudes of many promoters toward offering any racing for women, a threat that women won’t show up accomplishes nothing. It’s counterproductive. Think!
Nobody cares about women’s racing, who wants to watch a group of 5 girls just ride around as most of them do. Cant be that hard the one girl from new york went from 4 to protour in like 2 years. And the girl in cali beats all the other girls and shes only 17 years old on junior gears. So stop your bitching and start training harder and race with the men. You wanted to be equal now deal with it. And stop telling the promoters to have women only races if nobody is showing up it wastes their time and money.
“Oh baby yoooooooooooooou crashed on turn threeeeeeeeeeeeeee. And you say ‘It’s Just a Sprint.’ And you say ‘It’s Just a Sprint.’
Ladies, I empathize. Sorry you’re getting slighted. But I hope and expect that this is not a gender issue – simply a demand/supply and economics issue. Women’s fields have to be the least profitable field a promoter could sponsor, unfortunately.
Charlie I. is the best promoter in the area and is very reasonable and responsive to riders. I’m sure you can work something out with him.
My suggestion would be for Charlie I to sponsor women’s fields at selected races with the condition that if there is not a minimum number of people pre-registered, he has the right not to hold it. He can select the number that works for him. (He could also charge more.) That would allow him to make the decision ahead of time if it’s worth it from a time/resource/money perspective, and would allow you a voice *ahead of time* that a women’s field is important to you and you will support him supporting it.
Separately, you could get a minimum quorom of racers (10-20+) and proactively commit to a promoter ahead of time that you’ll do a race and get him to have a woman’s field.
The area could also always use more race promoters – one of the women could step up and promoter their own races.
Finally, while not ideal, you always have the option of racing the regular fields. I know this is not optimal, but hopefully it’s a better option than not racing. Best of luck.
… and least we forget the first CRCA race of 2010 with a large showing in 29 degree temps the women’s field was canceled.
From the look of the photos The Dj’s should have just played Yakkity Sax on repeat all day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ
Women know how to hit the return key once, though.
charlie, you clearly feel that giving the women a separate race is some enormous and unappreciated favor. so far this season for the women’s races you HAVE held you have threatened that you will cancel in advance if you don’t get enough registrations; you made the one on saturday 45 minutes long. if you don’t want to have a women’s field then don’t. sorry about king’s county (that sucks). there aren’t enough women, but the ones that do race work really hard and try to go where the races are. some promoters offer a women’s field even when they know they could get more $$ from a men’s field. figure out what you want to be to local racing.
how was the Biz performance?
At least Charlie’s not as bad as the grant’s tomb crit organizers, who cancelled the women’s 4 field then went bragging to the NY Times about how much they were doing to support women’s racing.
I find it amazing that someone on this forum would fault the women for wanting there own field given how much time is spent whining about sandbaggers who won’t upgrade. I’d like to see the guys have to spend most of their first year races in open fields.
Well I want charlie to keep promoting races and if hes not making money doing the women’s races then he shouldnt do it. He hardly makes any money from the mens races and theres 100 riders in the fields. How the hell do you expect him to make money when theres 5 people that show up or none at all. Its not like the women can not race just race in the mens race. Juniors race with the older dudes all the time and their not bitching.
Charlie- I think your timing could be better. As I said on Friday, there were a dozen womens races in the region in 9 days. When your competition is HH and Harlem, its easy to see why women don’t want to get up at 5 in the morning to race a few circles in the park. HH had over 60 women in two different fields. Certainly, some of them must have been interested in racing in April or May.
Perhaps a program like cycling made real is in order or maybe promoters can handle it themselves.
There were 4 finishers and you are complaining about results?
Yeah, it sucks. But you do understand it was just luck of the draw? The pro race was going to be televised and there is no way the race was going to start late.
Just a reminder that there is a grant program available that targets women’ & juniors program development through NYSBRA – http://www.nysbra.com. While it doesn’t generally allow for race promotion subsidies, there a are several ways to use this resource to promote more participation.
The deadline for applications was last night, but we may extend.
Hurry.
Dieter
While it’s nice to have separate women’s fields there are a limited number of races that can be run. Yesterday the masters field got bumped for the women’s field. Masters is cash money for a promoter. Many of those guys will also do the 1,2 or 3 race. Got to a place like New Britain and they run 3 or 4 or more masters fields and they’re all packed.
Chicken or the egg? Get the women out and then they get their own field, or give them their own field and eventually they’ll fill up?
Whats this i hear about Eustice paying a bunch of pros who weren’t on the same team to race for the guys who won? wtf?
where are the pictures of the women’s race from saturday?
If the women don’t want to get up at 5am to do a race on the same weekend as HH & Harlem, then they should let Charlie know in advance instead of whining about him not having separate women’s fields.
So did the Burrowes brothers jump ship back to WS United?
Fear of Women’s FIeld? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szFO7Wo7ZCE
Andrew Estevez=Sandbagger
How is that possible? He is registered as a 4 how can he then race as a 5? Is he showing an old license? Or maybe just buying a one day license at the race?
it was interesting to watch the two germans. they paced like clockwork, and once they established 30sec, eased off a bit. when they got word from the pit that the gap was coming down, they picked up the pace to open it back up to 30. it would have taken a very organized effort by a bunch of strong, and committed riders to bring them back. it was inspiring to watch that kind of precision.
Precise Germans? Now I’ve really heard it all
I for one, would beg to differ with the stereotype of German precision.
Has there ever been a bigger collection of douche bags than the New York cycling scene? Nice to see that the women are every bit as bad as the men. Totally selfish people.
The failure of the local men in the P/1/2 race to organize a chase is the perfect analogy for the racing culture in NYC.
have you ever done a women’s race in NJ?
yes, Eustice invited some European pros to come to the race. They were then put on the TA/R* team. Even looks like they raced on borrowed bikes. They put on a good show. Apparently the Germans like riding in the rain.
Why didn’t you chase?
I commend Charlie for putting in a women’s field, and I understand the comments that have been posted here. But, we really need the following to improve the situation in NY.
1. We need more women racers. Every woman in NY should be talking their friends onto racing and telling them to enter things like CRCA’s women’s clinic on 6/26.
2. The NYSBRA should be working with promoters to avoid races on the same day in the same region for women/juniors. That’s what district associations are for.
3. Women need to attend the events they have.
4. All riders, men and women, need to appreciate that promoters are always balancing their commitment to the sport and the need to cover their race expenses.
Joe
To 10:49. Yes, try Pelotoneast.com
They had to entice you with a bigger purse, and then half the field crashed out (bad luck with the weather, very true) and the race was shortened. Hardly second class citizen treatment. And half the time there are womens fields, not enough show up.
So the women want a man purse?
Hmm, so more money in the prize list doesn’t do it… Honestly, what will motivate women to come out and race? I’m asking you, WOMEN, as a group to answer that question. Are you more interestedi n road races or crits? Big prizes or more fields?
Get together and draft a proposal to the local promoters, form an organization and have a unified voice, something! Otherwise it’s just complaining about bullshit.
.. did a great job on that solo attack at the end of the 4’s. I saw it coming, but was boxed in on the outside. I applaud him for that daring move so early.
Well done.
What is this, The View?
Ladies,
It’s a simple matter of supply and demand. Organizing and promoting a race is extremely difficult and expensive. Each additional field added to a race increases the promoters costs. If that field is not going to fill up enough to cover it’s costs, that puts the whole race in jeopardy. A promoter will stop promoting a race if it is losing money. Just look at all the races that were cancelled this year.
There are women’s fields at all the major local races (Battenkill, Bear MTN., Housatonic, Etc). The rest of the races are for training.
And, yes the CRCA has a combined women’s field because they have limited resources and time. There is no Junior or Master’s field, but I don’t hear them complaining.
Sandbagger
Hmm. Same Andrew Estevez who won as a 5 at Prospect and then won Harlem as a 4?
What would have been so terrible with starting the TV with the end of the women’s race? Laura Van Gilder is a bigger US star than anyone in the men’s race. Was it so important to put the shill over? TV billed the mens’ field as the “best 100 crit racers” in the country or something like that. John organized a great race and brought over some really top world class riders but the overall race was not at the elite level.
People end up recognizing the event for what it is, why try to make them believe it is something else.
I have never heard a cat 3 man complain about having to do an A race in CRCA with pro 1/2’s.
Everything but three or so races are for training?
First of all – promoters – thanks for your time and effort.
It would be great to have more Cat 3 only park races. Given that the P/1/2/3 park races seem to fill up every week – is there any way we could get more Cat 3 only park races on the calendar?
If Cat 3s got what they wanted in life, they wouldn’t be Cat 3s.
you get to race in either the 1-2-3 or the 3-4 and you need another option?
except 1:39
I’d like to do a few 1/2 park races. Speed would probably no different than with the 3’s but the average age would probably go up to around 40. We could spend our time reminiscing about whether we preferred Drop-Ins, Rakes or Spinaci’s back in the day. Maybe tell a few stories about the season we almost went over to Belgium to give the kermesse scene a try. Or that one time at Nationals when…
Yeah, skip the complainers and creat a 3 only field to offset the overflow in the 123’s.
I never do 3 park races. If I wanted more wins, I’d have stayed a 4. Give me the harder field each & every time, learn a helluva lot more from the guys you race with and get stronger too … ‘thank you sir may I have another.’ Let 4s have their own field before 3s every time, let them learn & win.
I’d like a mixer field, men and women, catered with martinis.
Make those daiquiris, and I’m in!
Is there a mixed field for swingers? I’m REALLY into trying new things
Speaking of pros racing somewhere – Floyd Landis shows up at a race in Nevada and gets 4th pl. The jersey (hilarious!)
http://twitpic.com/1ykvod
I want to second the comment that women should organize and go to a promoter and say, there are 20 of us committed to attend a race, and pre-reg for it, that would more likely make it possible for a promoter like charlie feel like his investment of time and energy is going to have a sufficient return.
As for the cat3 comments, I don’t think men have much to stand on in terms of available races. If you’re field is filling up, then go do out of town races, or start promoting races of your own.
There are several races throughout the spring/summer that have a women’s field. Much more than three.
In the meantime, do the CRCA races and/or join the men’s field at Prospect. You can’t blame the race promoters for the low turnout at all the races that have women’s fields.
I’ve been to (fairly large) races where there were only 15 or so riders in the women’s field, and they still paid out the top ten.
Anyone figure out yet how to get the TV coverage from teh Harlem Race – what time, what station, youtube?
in photo’s and video – Innovation brought legs to the table @ Harlem.
The lack of chase organization was somewhat of a surprise in the pro race. I couldnt figure out why so many guys were trying to bridge up solo. It just baffled my mind to see 1 or 2 guys try and jump across only to get chased. The early crashes probably shook a lot guys up. When the second german bridged up, I couldnt believe there wasnt a stream of bulls running that down!
I was hoping the Floyd Bennett Field animals would take over at 10 to go and reel things in.
Because the majority of the Harlem P12 field raced like they had vaginas.
i’d like things to be different. quite a bit different, in fact. can we please, please, get someone on this, as quickly as humanly possible? the status quo is totally stifling, and i’d really like for the situation to shift pretty dramatically. why hasn’t a promoter or organizing body implemented widespread changes yet?
step 1: get in time machine. Set machine to Sun June 20, 2010.at 6pm.
step 2: tune in to NYC channel 25.
step 3: enjoy the race.
🙂 🙂 🙂
Are you kidding? being a 3 is great….so many options…want to sandbag? do a 3/4 race. over 35? masters… want to challenge yourself? race with the big boys. There’s a reason Schmalz calls it “the sluttiest category”.
Did anyone bother to check the Germans for a Gruber Assist?
Those Germans rode a schmart race.
Thank you Joe Brennan for trying to straighten out NY’s problems but where are all your Jersey women?
NY had you outnumbered by 24-2 at both Housatonic and Harlem. Are you hiding them somewhere? That’s 48-4. Do they only race in Jersey?
I think we really need to straighten out this Jersey situation.
There were a good number of Jersey women in two fields (Cat 1/2/3 and Cat4) down in Bridgeton on Saturday for the NJ State RR Championships.
http://srosenstock.photoshelter.com/gallery/Harlem-Crit/G0000jaDqnxoOZKs
I just watched a bit of the Harlem race that I had DVR’ed. I can confirm that NYC 1/2 racing is something best done early in the morning, preferably in the dark and away from the sight of the public.
ok grumps … enlighten me … what 1/2 racing is good enough to be seen in the light of day?
Not much. The comment was half-sarcastic, half-serious and I regret the snark. What I should have said is that amateur bike racing is just that, amateur, and the distance between us and the pros is pretty significant. It’s just more apparent when you’re a spectator and not a participant.
It was neat to see guys that I race with on TV and the production was way better than I would have expected but it just didn’t grab me. Maybe the crit format more than the caliber of racing?
those are really fun to watch with a bunch of horns blasting in teh back ground.
Bottomline is — if you are going to put us on TV, that is the way to do it…it can only be crits like that. Can you imagine how deadly boring Housatonic would be on TV.
I mean – I dvr all the pro races…I watch them in fast forward. Frankly cycling is sort of boring to watch on TV…but crits and circuit races certainly are better than road races
how was the spectator turnout compared to last year?
other than the finishing straights, the pro race backstretches (as televised) seemed like ghost towns.
wish i could’ve been there in person, but at least i got to watch it on t.v.
thanks to the race organizers for making the t.v. broadcast possible!
everyone, and i mean everyone, split with the rain. noone there for pros.
two mercenaries and an unapologetic doper over an apparently disinterested yet very sketchy field. hurrah!
Get over it and yourself. You’ve definitely cheated somewhere in your life, he paid the time. Let it go….!
Wow. Yeah that time when I was nine and I cheated at monopoly really compares.
Are you still nine?
Cheating can be fun, ask me how I know.
Oh, well, that is until your wife finds out.
And hits you with sporting goods equipment.
And it makes the global news.
Thanks for all the encouraging posts in support of women’s cycling. I know venting/complaining doesn’t do much good (especially on a post like this), so I’ll go back to encouraging every female athlete I know to buy a bike, and every female cyclist I know to come to every race.
shit i can’t even find a girl to date who likes to go to the gym.
crashing seems hard for a lot of females to reconcile. probably why there are so many more who do triathlons
curious what the payout was, depth, primes, etc.
I heard Pulla got flicked out of a $1000 prime that launched his 3rd place finish…too bad…he has “served” his time, has a nice shop, contributes by being a stand up guy for what its worth…
Much, much, much worse could be said about “6-Day” racing…
yo forrealz
Are you alleging wiener schnitzel exchanged hands?
Innovation Team did a great job over the whole race. Colome and jerry got 1 and 2 on the Cat 3. Ca4 Andrew stevez got the 1st after an attack of his teamate H. Francisco with 5 laps to go then puya got a wortjy and hard worked 3rd place.
I couldn’t believe my eyes after witnessing the beatdown of the local guys. Where was Mengoni and Foundation? They certainly had the numbers for some kind of chase.
what was it about showing those out of town pros where they came from? pathetic show by local riders. good thing they stay here doing little park laps and pretending they’ve got skillz
yeah, like Base Camp. They should invite some guys to that race other than crca teams……
oh. wait.
is that you, cranky?
I was a quite surprised. So much for local pride. I guess nxt year the leash will be quite short.
Don’t talk about it, be about it. CRCA women’s clinic this weekend. Everyone spread the word. If you have friends that ride, do triathlons or are athletic and interested in trying something new, bring em’ along!
And by the way, the clinic is not prominently promoted anywhere, not on the CRCA website, not here, Peleton East, at the local bike shops, not with the local bike clubs, tri-clubs etc. And that’s not Charlie’s fault.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/06/news/htc-columbias-evelyn-stevens-wins-us-national-time-trial-title_123017
Yeah, Evie’s a ‘bagger…
SOMEBODY GET THAT GIRL ON DAVID LETTERMAN!
To all the girls that want to be treated like Rock Stars check out the Zepplin Crit http://www.bikereg.com/events/register.asp?eventid=10258
the feature race is the women’s race and you dont even have to worry about seeing any of those grimy cat 1 and 2 cyclists because there is no race for them. The prize list may not be huge but I know first hand that some of the primes are absoultely awsome. Safe fast crit with 2 seperate womens races. The promoter is an absloute rock star and really stepping it up and having the women’s race as the feature race. Show your support and show up to keep the best race in tri-state area going strong.