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Armstrong SCA Deposition Videos

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 4:13am by Andy Shen

Update 3/17: Now the entire deposition is available here.

Now that we've gained a reputation for being a cycling WikiLeaks, strange things show up on our doorstep. These clips of Lance Armstrong's SCA deposition came to us from a Tristan Zook of the firm of Grey Manrod Associates. According to Mr. Zook, these videos are fair game because Mr. Armstrong forfeited any claims of confidentiality by bragging about winning the SCA case in the media. 

First, some context. Tailwind Sports had taken out an insurance policy with SCA Promotions to cover a $5 million performance bonus for Armstrong winning the 2004 Tour. However, when David Walsh and Pierre Ballester's book L.A. Confidentiel came out, SCA refused to pay, claiming that Armstrong voided the contract by doping to win. The trial pitted the LeMonds and the Andreus against Armstrong, Ed Coyle and Michael Ashenden testified as expert witnesses for and against Armstrong. The arbitrator eventually ruled in favor of Armstrong and Tailwind Sports on the grounds that the contract between them had no stipulations about doping, rendering most of the testimony in the trial moot. Armstrong would claim the judgment a vindication despite the fact that it had nothing to do with doping.

So why did SCA CEO Bob Hamman, a champion contract bridge player, press on quixotically despite having an unwinnable case (the settlement would cost him an additional $2.5 million in interest and fees)? Did he simply want to air Armstrong's dirty laundry out of spite? Or did he think that he'd recoup his money someday if, say, the DOJ were to launch an investigation? One thing is for sure: the SCA trial galvanized the pro and anti Armstrong camps, setting the stage for the battle that still rages on today. For example, Betsy Andreu, while no fan of Armstrong, had refused to cooperate for L.A. Confidentiel, and was forced to testify in the SCA case. Armstrong called Andreu a liar in the trial, thereby making her one of his most outspoken critics. She would go on to cooperate with Walsh for his next book, From Lance to Landis.

So here are the clips from Armstrong's deposition in the case, obviously edited by someone prejudiced against Armstrong. Depending on your perspective, they either show someone speaking the truth or committing perjury. 

Clip #1 is Armstrong discussing Frankie Andreu's deposition. Fun historical tidbit: Armstrong had shown up for the Andreu's depositions, intending on sitting in on Frankie's session. The order was reversed, however, and he ended up attending Betsy's session instead. The attempted intimidation backfired.

In the first part of the clip the questioner is reading from a transcript of a conversation that took place at the '04 Tour, where Armstrong agent Bill Stapleton and friend Bart Knaggs spoke with Frankie in an attempt to ascertain whether Betsy was interviewed for L.A. Confidentiel. They also attempted to get Betsy to sign a statement to discredit Walsh.

 

Clip #2 and #3 are titled 'LA Logic' by Mr. Zook.

Clip #4, Armstrong knew Betsy Andreu very little, she hates him.

Clip #5, on why Frankie would agree with Betsy.

Clip #6. Armstrong took the unusual step of contacting Stephanie McIlvain, Frankie Andreu, and James Startt before their depositions. In Andreu's case, Armstrong contacted him after a 2 1/2 year silence to warn Andreu that his doctor Craig Nichols would testify that the hospital room incident never happened, in contradiction to what Armstrong believed Andreu would attest to. Armstrong is asked about his contact with Andreu here.

Clip #7, Armstrong is asked about his contact with McIlvain before her deposition. He claims they spoke of her cancer stricken neighbor and nothing more.

Clip #8, the oath.

Last clip, Armstrong is asked why he contacted Frankie Andreu.

I guess this was inevitable. The music video.

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Tyler?
By: Dong Work For Yuda
Fri, 03/04/2011 - 7:04pm

Tyler was busted and admitted it? Uh,....when? I know the DHEA part post his Europe career, but I don't think the blood transfusion "admission" ever happened. He still has a gold medal. And there was some talk of a chimera and some other obfuscation.

I do hope Tyler is the "unnamed" witness. He alluded to the mafia just like Floyd does, as well as writing a book someday. He doesn't need cycling anymore, maybe that time is now.

Tyler's a good dude. Frankie's a good dude. Hincapie's a good dude. Lance, most decidedly, is not.

And all this cancer stuff? Sure is nice. But a separate issue. And always remember: one good deed hides ten bad ones.

Phrases to be banned
By: Marchionne Stiff
Fri, 03/04/2011 - 3:07am

"Just Sayin"

I love this stuff!!!!!
By: Quinten Bearing
Fri, 03/04/2011 - 2:04am

Wait until the government's "Unnamed source"...Tyler Hamilton, comes out and puts Pharmstrong down!!! Tyler was busted but, he came right out and admitted. I think he's plenty of credibility and will help put the nails in douchstrong's coffin!!!!

Just sayin'!!!

poor Galleazzo Cogset
By: awwwww
Thu, 02/24/2011 - 7:37pm

Poor lad gets torched on here for being a Lance fan. Classic nyvelocity stuff. Wrong place for you to be exploring, champ. He was right about one thing though---racing in NYC does suck.

Hmmmmm
By: Think What I Want
Thu, 02/24/2011 - 1:49am

Directed @ Galleazzo Cogset

Wrong.

He has not done more for mankind than me or other people. That is ridiculous. Take him down from the pedestal.

Lance, call me at the Psychic
By: Dionne Warwick
Wed, 02/23/2011 - 1:36pm

Lance, call me at the Psychic Friends Network, 1-800-QUE-CERA. We'll help you see what's coming, so you can navigate the stormy seas.

Psychic Trolls Unite
By: Pulley
Wed, 02/23/2011 - 6:53am

And these videos prove what?

At best they provide thought starters for all the trolls to generate their elaborate Lance hate-related hypotheses.

Cancer from steroids. Anger means dishonesty. Misogyny means he kills babies.

All your hate is going to give you cancer, angry trolls.

Really Lance?
By: Marchionne Wave Ring
Wed, 02/23/2011 - 4:10am

I would love nothing more than to hear the theme to "The Benny Hill Show" while he is answering these questions.

Apologists Unite
By: LA LIAR
Wed, 02/23/2011 - 2:10am

By: Galleazzo Cogset

Sat, 02/19/2011 - 7:06pm The dude is a legend and all you hateful trolls would love nothing more than to see him fail. What a bunch of mean-spirited losers. Lance does more for mankind every 5 minutes than you'll do in your entire lives. Fuck off and ride your bikes. PS Cycling in NYC sucks.

"No he is NOT a legend! He's a fucking cheat and people like you you fucking douche are DELUDED by the charisma of this liar!

You are a loser! You know why? Because you make EXCUSES for this scum bag!

Both my grandmothers died of CANCER! I know about this horrible disease and Lance the liar is hiding BEHIND his foundation because he knows that he's a liar and a cheat.

He got the big C due to his ABUSE of steroids and EPO.

Wake the fuck up you idiot! You are a pathetic, deluded clown. Ride your bike and remember: you hide behind your own fucking apologist excuses for this LIAR!!!

AND if you don't like NYC fuck off back to NJ!"

I AGREE!!!!

Pathetic Apologist!!
By: YOU F--K Off
Wed, 02/23/2011 - 2:08am

By: Galleazzo Cogset

Sat, 02/19/2011 - 7:06pm The dude is a legend and all you hateful trolls would love nothing more than to see him fail. What a bunch of mean-spirited losers. Lance does more for mankind every 5 minutes than you'll do in your entire lives. Fuck off and ride your bikes. PS Cycling in NYC sucks.

No he is NOT a legend! He's a fucking cheat and people like you you fucking douche are DELUDED by the charisma of this liar!

You are a loser! You know why? Because you make EXCUSES for this scum bag!

Both my grandmothers died of CANCER! I know about this horrible disease and Lance the liar is hiding BEHIND his foundation because he knows that he's a liar and a cheat.

He got the big C due to his ABUSE of steroids and EPO.

Wake the fuck up you idoiot! You are a pathetic, deluded clown. Ride your bike and remember: you hide behind your own fucking apologist excuses for this LIAR!!!

AND if you don't like NYC fuck off back to NJ!

Anger Management.....
By: Arrrgggg!
Wed, 02/23/2011 - 2:01am

Well well well, All I can say is that Lance's use of the english language in reference to women, wives and or partners says it all. And the fact that he offers up, on his own, that it is perfectly understandable to lie, if the situation "requires" it. Or shall I say if the Old Lady Requires it! Yeah that makes it ok!!!???

For the record, Lance would be the last person on earth that would understand the roles of two people in a relationship or loyalty Required... He wouldn't have pissed on his wife if she was on fire! (correction) he might have pissed on her if she were pregnant with his immortality & on fire....

I hope they make him do community service mowing lawns for old widows and pick up tiny little dog poohs while doing it ... for a decade.

BTW what is he so angry about???

Anger Management
By: Arrrgggg!
Wed, 02/23/2011 - 1:07am

His energy is so negative that it jumps off the screen. But the most disgusting part of his open woman hating is when he doesn't think and explains that sometimes lying is simply "Required".... Yeah That makes it OK.... He wouldn't have pissed on his wife if she were on fire!!!! What does he understand about married life???? Hopefully he will have to do some community service mowing lawns for old widows!

Private First Class Santiago
By: Remi Lorica
Tue, 02/22/2011 - 8:09pm

Who is going to order the code red on Armstrong?

misremember...no?
By: Houston Austin
Tue, 02/22/2011 - 6:41pm

looks like LA practices the same Texas stonewall act like his fellow blowhard Roger Clemens...at least the Rocket wore a tie and a well pressed fibbing suit.

What does Lance do for
By: Rob Rimini
Tue, 02/22/2011 - 4:02am

What does Lance do for mankind?
He raises money to give to pharma corp which is already overflowing with cash. They overcharge for cancer drugs that no one can afford without insurance that few people have.
Meanwhile, Lance never mentions the environmental cause of most cancers. He's a legend alright, of the fraudulent type. In the the most fraudulent country on the planet, a la Wall Street, 'K' Street and Madison Ave, and of course the pentagon.
Wake up Cogset. You sound like the type who impatiently waits for every new Disney and Pixar film.

Pharmstrong
By: Jacopo Biopace
Mon, 02/21/2011 - 11:38pm

Compliments to Frangle 10 speed for packing so much into 3 sentences.

Yes this is the stuff that will do him in.....
By: Lance Going Down
Sun, 02/20/2011 - 9:38pm

His body language is clearly all over the place, not the language of a man who is telling the truth, rather an arrogant, conceited, egomaniac who thinks he is ABOVE THE LAW and above the common sense of ordinary people.

He is deluded and will go down for this!! Keep watching the Jeff V Lance show!

Ohh...
By: Frangle 10-speed
Sun, 02/20/2011 - 5:12pm

The dude is a legend...

Marion Jones ring a bell? Pete Rose? Black sox of 1919? Legendary like that, sure.

Reality suggests Team Pharmstrong is a lifelong cheat building a brand on the sick and dying.

The bad news is Hein and Pat at the UCI don't look like they'll be caught enabling doping.

Legal Eagles!
By: Arthur Cogset
Sun, 02/20/2011 - 5:03pm

But no. Lance filed the lawsuit. Do you think he was the one who contracted with SCA in the first place? No! That was Tailwind.

It has something to do with which party has standing in court. I'm no lawyer, but I've been around litigation for a long time.

Meanwhile, the corporate registration for Tailwind clearly identifies Weisel, Armstrong and a couple of Stapletons as officers of Tailwind. It's another misdirection to fit the lie of the moment.

Accept that USAC/UCI is a den of thieves and everything they do makes much more sense.

Lance creates a miracle every
By: Mother Theresa
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 11:34pm

Lance creates a miracle every 5 minutes?

Why, that's amazing!

God bless him.

the Dude is a legend!
By: walter sobchak
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 10:11pm

but this dude don't abide...

Get a life
By: Galleazzo Cogset
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 7:06pm

The dude is a legend and all you hateful trolls would love nothing more than to see him fail. What a bunch of mean-spirited losers. Lance does more for mankind every 5 minutes than you'll do in your entire lives. Fuck off and ride your bikes. PS Cycling in NYC sucks.

It would take Jack Bauer to
By: Frederico Hammer
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 6:10pm

It would take Jack Bauer to get the truth

BigTex
By: Victor Dry Lube
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 5:08pm

I kept waiting for him to look directly into the camera, bite his lip and say "I never had sexual relations with that woman." He may still have a chance at a political career if he can avoid being indicted....shit, in Texas even THAT won't make any difference!

Give me a few minutes with
By: Keyser Soze
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 4:03pm

Give me a few minutes with him, I'll get the truth.

Tim Roth the actor?
By: Amine Clamp
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 1:48pm

Tim Roth the actor?

we need Tim Roth!!
By: Samuel Plug
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 1:24pm

Stick him in front of Tim Roth and his crack group of human lie detectors and lets see if he becomes human. It seems that in these short clips it is clear he is hiding something and shows contempt with some of the questioning!

Do I have to stop at a red
By: Captain Wishy Washy
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 3:27am

Do I have to stop at a red light and dismount before watching each clip?

you must be cyclingleaks
By: Diego Post
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 2:56am

you must be cyclingleaks

Waiting
By: West Coast Reader
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 2:16am

I'm patiently waiting for the next bicileak... can we get them at regular intervals like my training?

future examinations
By: JA.Tri
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 1:40am

I so do look forward to seeing (any) tapes of LA being questioned by Mr Novitsky or associated legal staff...

i asked him that once... his
By: sven nys
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 1:35am

i asked him that once... his left nostril flared. i don't know what to believe.

Let's ask John Eustice about
By: Helmet
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 1:22am

Let's ask John Eustice about his fathers strategic planning consulting role for US Postal. Rumor has it that his recommendation was that USPS sponsor a cycling team. Is that true?

Lance has mommy issues.
By: Dr. Phil
Sat, 02/19/2011 - 1:12am

Lance has mommy issues.

Gotta Back-Up your old lady!
By: Schmirnov
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:52pm

Yeah, like he'd know...

its nice
By: Luchino Topcap
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:51pm

who knew that so many NYC cyclists have secret CIA lie-detection interrogation training? i mean, is he lying? probably, but seriously...people need to lay off the "i am a world's expert on reading facial expressions" delusions from watching the show "Lie to Me"

Look at that man, he forgot
By: Ru Paul
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:36pm

Look at that man, he forgot his collar stays. How gauche. Liar!

What is Lance doing with OPP?
By: Amine Helmet
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:17pm

What is Lance doing with OPP? I thought he had his own P.

you guys realize that these
By: Thibault Ferrule
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:12pm

you guys realize that these videos actually make lance look good, right?

He seems solid and consistent. Yes, he doesn't know how to answer why he made calls, so what?

Show the whole thing.

damn, i just wasted 10 minutes of my life
By: Marchionne Headbadge
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 9:49pm

uuuummm. thanks guys for wasting my time with this

Why was Lance the one suing?
By: Botany Bay
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 9:25pm

Here's a question:

If Lance didn't really have an ownership stake in Tailwind Sports, then why was HE the one suing SCA? I mean, if he was a mere employee of the team, and the team was owned by Tailwind Sports, and his contract stipulated a $5MM bonus for winning the TDF, then Lance should have been calling Tailwind and saying "Where's my money, bitches?". And hence Tailwind would have had to sue SCA.

But no. Lance filed the lawsuit. Do you think he was the one who contracted with SCA in the first place? No! That was Tailwind.

He couldn't lie straight in bed!
By: Margaret
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 9:14pm

After watching these videos twice I am convinced he is lying through his teeth. His body language gives him away for one thing, and he stalled when asked about the 'phone calls, sure sign he was thinking up a story. As to him taking the oath, it meant absolutely NOTHING to him. Most people would sit up straight and would definitely not sat say 'yeah' on taking an oath. Biggest liar and fraudster in decades, I hope they nail him. Better be quick though, he's already made his plans to get out of Texas.

Bicileaks
By: Andrea Kevlar
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 7:04pm

Bitchyleaks. Love it.

Shows me nothing
By: Noah Ziptie
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 7:00pm

This footage shows me nothing.

very disappointing
By: miss anthrope
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 6:31pm

not a thing about the Olsen Twins

LIAR!
By: West Coast Reader
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 6:13pm

Interrogator: Why did you call Mr. Andrew before his deposition?

Lance: Huuuuuuuuu........ (Choose ending below)

A) To alert him that Guido was going to break his knee caps if he didn't lie. (Guido = Livingston, as in not too scary)

B) Offer him a bed to sleep in if he lied for him and Betsy kicked him out.

C) To lie about the organized doping program at USPS.

D) Speed dial was next to the strip club number and offered him to go while he was at it, as a way to convince him to not nark on him.

OPP
By: Jordan Housing
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 6:11pm

"Other people's pussy".. Genius.

in other words
By: Botany Bay
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 6:01pm

In other words, let's get Fabiani to give Andy copies of ALL OF THE VIDEOS. You know, because "facts" exonerate Lance, right?

Still with me Mark?
By: Botany Bay
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 5:59pm

A perfect opportunity for Fabiani to provide you/us with "full context", don't you think? When Andy wanted to ask him about SCA, he was "more than happy" to furnish copies of the depositions that related to his questions.

Fabiani loves to show the complete picture, right?

Mark? Mark, you still with us? ;)

Armando Seatpost says...
By: Spin it, spin it good
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 5:30pm

"What bothers me the most about these clips is how edited they are. If you want to be the wiki leaks of cycling show the full depo not the carefully selected clips you've posted to paint Lance the way you want."

Obviously the edited videos should be viewed as a whole, but my guess is that won't be happening anytime soon. Bitchylinks indeed.

awesome comments
By: Antonio Chamois
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 5:22pm
Poor lawyer prep
By: Arnaud Torque
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 5:15pm

If you have ever been in a deposition before, you NEVER answer questions about someone else's intent, motivation, or thoughts. How could you know? And NEVER proffer any information except to directly answer the question asked.

At what point
By: Sander Dropout
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 5:03pm

At what point did he decide it would be too much work to stop lying?

Yes, like everyone else here,
By: mikeweb
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 4:58pm

Yes, like everyone else here, I'm not an interrogation expert, but the long "Uhhh..."s before many of the answers, like why did he call so-and-so, seem pretty telling. Plus the whole 'Lance logic' of the way he denied what was said in the hospital room, kind of screams 'lie'. It's like psychologically he's trying not to multiply the lies, so he insists on sticking with the original one (I've never used PEDs) and then extrapolates to indirectly answer the question posed.

That's a very fair point, and
By: Andy Shen
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 4:48pm

That's a very fair point, and I did point out that they are prejudiced. We didn't edit these, though, this is how we got them.

why chop up the video
By: Armando Seatpost
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 4:45pm

I have no idea if Lance is lying or not. What bothers me the most about these clips is how edited they are. If you want to be the wiki leaks of cycling show the full depo not the carefully selected clips you've posted to paint Lance the way you want.

Sorry - this should
By: Maxime Pulley
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 4:38pm

Sorry - this should work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc2o8ywKqos&playnext=1&list=PL87512C4CB57...

If not, search for "Nathan Thurm" on youtube.

Not
By: Maxime Pulley
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 4:36pm
Mr Bad Example
By: Rusty Pantera
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 4:24pm

Love the way he tries to take control of the depo at some points, filling in the awkward silences, and where he answers the question before the counsellor has finished asking it - Bad! Bad! Bad!

Lance and Floyd - Trading Places
By: Floyd - not null and void
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 4:22pm

I hate what's happened to Floyd. Sure, he lied like the rest of them for a few years. But he's finally come clean and is speaking the truth...and cycling shuns him. That sucks.

Lance should be the pariah. In the near future, I'd like to see Lance and Floyd trading places in the public's eye.

Old Lady!
By: Botany Bay
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 4:21pm

Betsy, you're always our favorite "Old Lady". ;)

He had to go and do it. Now I have this image of you on the back of a Harley with a Hells Angel at the helm.

Lying to momma
By: Botany Bay
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 4:12pm

Clip 5, 00:30 is precious.

You don't even need a polygraph to see the lie. Think back to any lie you've ever told to your mom with a straight face and see how that face wasn't really "straight" at all. She knew you were lying the whole time.

As a behavioral expert,
By: Sacha Cage
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 4:08pm

As a behavioral expert, trained by years of having to answer to my wife, I'd have to say the body language in clip #6 reveals a liar swimming in a steaming pile of dookie.

His media training since then has gotten much better.

acting
By: Remigio Downtube
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 4:04pm

He was much better in Dodgeball.

Correct
By: Seatpost
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 3:51pm

When asked direct questions that can harm him he gets agitated and does not immediately answer. (lie) When asked a direct question, the why Mcllvain called question, he answers immediately "correct". (truth) But then, I ain't no expert, just watch a lot of TV.

The Old Lady
By: Betsy Andreu
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 2:52pm

"But I feel for him..."
How can I NOT laugh?!?!?!?

Mrs. Lemond
By: Lander Dry Lube
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 2:49pm

Do we know what Cathy Lemond said? "A lot of crazy stuff we didnt know"?

Wow.
By: 700x25
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 2:36pm

Stunned to actually see this considering how much has been made of these interviews.
Love the Wiki Leaks of cycling reference.

why didn't they ask about
By: Lance Armstrong
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 2:19pm

why didn't they ask about hookers and blow?

We're now Bicileaks,
By: Andy Shen
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 2:16pm

We're now Bicileaks, pronounced Bitchy.

Ok
By: MQ
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 2:12pm

So if we're the wikileaks of cycling. who is julian assange. does this mean that Dan at some point is going to be forced to live in Jersey? and be under house arrest at his big state. (the compound).
and yes people ive seen the compound,

Holy
By: MQ
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 2:05pm

Shit.

Who is this Mr. Andrew
By: Baptiste Threadlock
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 1:59pm

Who is this Mr. Andrew asshole? It sounds like he's been messing around with Betsie. Frankie should beat his ass!

he lying! he defenetly lying!
By: Danato Locknut
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 1:32pm

he lying! he defenetly lying! look at him spit cancerous venom at his interagotor!!!

Life
By: Ethan Neck
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 1:24pm

We have nothing to hide,"
"We have nothing to run from. It's our word against his word. I like our word. We like our credibility."

He has his Livestrong
By: Jelle Ferrule
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 1:15pm

He has his Livestrong bracelet on... untouchable.

Body Language
By: Matteo Dropout
Fri, 02/18/2011 - 1:13pm

Any body language experts out there. Shaking his head while talking (lie) nodding while talking (truth), a lot of chin scratching, nose scratching going on. Looking to the right before answering (lying). Tim Roth would have a field day.

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