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Wed, 05/19/2010 - 12:01pm by schmalz

With the Tour of California (also known as "the Race to Keep Levi Quiet in July") now occurring at the same time as the Giro, has the date change for the race raised or lowered its profile? Are you watching (assuming, of course that VS allows you to watch) both races? Is it too much, or is it a lovely smorgasbord of cycle racing? I have also seen the future of cycling coverage and it is the online tracker for the ToC—I didn't realize how addicting it would be to monitor Tommy D's rotation from 25th to 65th place in the peloton live as it happens.

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Nyquil
By: Baldo Ziptie
Fri, 05/21/2010 - 3:09pm

Milligan, by her own admission, took a single dose of Nyquil cold medicine the night before the 5km pursuit race at the U.S. Nationals in January. She did so to relieve cold symptoms and a sinus headache, thus allowing her to sleep before the 5km race. Nyquil, a popular over-the-counter product, is often used (as in this case) to help a cold sufferer sleep. xcskiworld.com has yet to find a single documented case in which this product can significantly aid athletic performance. However, Nyquil does contain 60 mg of psuedophederine, a banned substance on the alphabet soup's long list of banned substances. The net result of this situation? Milligan ended up with a post-5km urine test 7.5 mcg/ml over the legal limit of 25 mcg/ml.

After nearly 2 months, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency announced the suspension. It is also notable that a USADA spokesman confirmed that the Agency considered this case a "mistake" by the athlete (agreeing with Milligan on that critical point). The the three month penalty versus a multi-year suspension was viewed by the USADA as a way to reflect the more innocent nature of the offense.

I'm on Skittles and Diet
By: Verrochio Neck
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 5:49pm

I'm on Skittles and Diet Pepsi program, got it from my online coach. The ass blowout propels me up state line while turning a 53x12 no problem.

Lots of local guys on Ambien
By: Damien Clamp
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 5:28pm

Lots of local guys on Ambien too.

Bus threads
By: West Coast Reader
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 5:06pm

So far under the bus from the letter, just keeping tabs:

Lance Armstrong
Joe-Han Bruyneel
George Hincapie
David Zabrinski
Michael Barry
Matt White
Chechu Rubiera
Dr. Ferrari
Pepe the team "trainer"
The 2004 USPS Bus Driver
"Duffy" Johan's assistant of sorts
Allen Lim
Levi Leipheimer
Andy Riis
Jim Ochowitz
UCI Prez. Mr. Vrubrugen
Kristen Armstrong

and of course

Floyd Landis

Then in partial listing of the whole USPS TdF team of 2004.

11:46am
By: Brent Bushing
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 5:02pm

Nyquil?

Oh solo mea culpa
By: Rayan Cogset
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 5:00pm

Where the truth has been kryptonite, Floyd has no credibility

"sounds a little dangerous to
By: sane man in an insane world
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 4:47pm

"sounds a little dangerous to me."

ok. so what? its their choice. cyclists will make plenty of risky decisions regardless of what floyd does. and floyd can be anti-doping, speak out aggressively, explain his methods and still not implicate anyone. the guy lied to his naive fans' faces to STEAL their money. he is a complete f-cking scumbag.

if your concern is really about protecting cyclists from themselves (i'm not concerned with that, btw), floyd's irrelevant - push to legalize doping under strict medical supervision. you will never completely eradicate doping from any sport. the "war on doping"/zero tolerance policy inevitably leads to people making more dangerous decisions. pick your poison - everyone dopes safely, or some dope relatively more dangerously. those are the only two options.

A Lance press conference
By: schmalz
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 3:49pm

A Lance press conference alleged to happen at Cali today, how fast can we get Kimmage there?

just the facts... FL should
By: Std Op proc
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 3:46pm

just the facts...
FL should have dropped a dime when he got caught. Not 5 years later...
I want my Brlkn beer money back...
oh, and that guys wife that has been cheating on hisslef, she has already been there done that...one way or another.

Krispi Kristin got her 80%
Betsy shoulda gotz hers but she f-d up...
Lance will have his lawsuits a la OJ from all those "shocked" sponsors and fans...

Only thing more shocking is a 9volt battery from the freezer....

If you see somn, say somn....

Viagra
Nyquil
testopatches
andro
DHEA
iron injection

those are local candy...more guys on than off...

except Greg Olsen, he has 808s and a Casco for the same effect...

Floyd Fairness Fund
By: Dupped by a dope
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 3:37pm

Can I get my money back?

sane man in an insane world
By: William Internal Routing
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 3:29pm

you don't work on Wall St. do you?

There're not killing anyone,
By: schmalz
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 3:26pm

There're not killing anyone, but they were allegedly banking their own blood, keeping it in their fridges at home and transfusing themselves—sounds a little dangerous to me.

"and do you really think that
By: sane man in an insane world
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 3:19pm

"and do you really think that landis's teammates, doctors, etc. are "loyal" just because they haven't ratted him or each other out? that's ridiculous."

i do not see it as ridiculous. try this:

would i be proud if i helped a good friend cheat on a test in college a couple of years ago? no.
would i regret it? probably.
would i turn him in now? hells no! never!

doping is systemized is cycling. and its an administrative violation of a frieking sporting event. you're not killing anyone. or cheating on a spouse. or being a bad father. or a million other things i consider far worse. you're breaking a rule in a sporting event. you are only responsible for implicating yourself.

i am not saying he shouldn't come forward. that f-cking guy should go back on his world tour ASAP handing out dollar bills and apologies to all those naive fans who loyally supported him.

to me, disloyalty is really beneath contempt. a man needs to have a code, and his word needs to be his bond. floyd implicitly or explicitly agreed to keep mum when he started cheating with these other idiots. he has gone back on that, in addition to stealing from people he lied to. he is a liar, thief, and a disgrace.

sound like many of you disagree with me. ok. i'd wager you'd rather have a guy like me as your friend when push came to shove.

Floyd Landis Field race is
By: Brent Cable
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 3:01pm

Floyd Landis Field race is ON!

Is it within reason to talk
By: schmalz
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 3:00pm

Is it within reason to talk about activities that could potentially costs athletes their health or their lives? And is the guy's wife hot?

LA just made a statement!
By: WOAH!
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:59pm
Yeah, do you have her number?
By: Seatmast
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:59pm

Yeah, do you have her number? She'll need a shoulder to cry on.

Landis/Lance
By: Ermanno Brifter
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:58pm

Landis speaks the truth. This is much more than a disgruntled postal worker.

-2 for reading comprehension
By: buttermilk jones lover
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:57pm

-2 for reading comprehension & logic. i wrote *generally* and *within reason* what another man does isn't my business. i know some dude who cheats on his wife. you want her number so you can turn him in?

MACGRUBER!!
By: schmalz
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:56pm

MACGRUBER!!

LA was still the best doped
By: Paul Pulley
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:56pm

LA was still the best doped cyclist in a doped field. He doped better, he rode better. They are entertainers, he entertained me. Imagine a clean Keith Richards.

I think this whole thing is
By: mikeweb
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:54pm

I think this whole thing is just a ploy to take our minds off the (mac)gruber-gate scandal from yesterday.

loyal?
By: loquacious jones
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:53pm

why would you be a loyal fan of ANY pro athlete, let alone a cyclist who tested positive for dope. if you sent money to the FLoyd Fairness Fund, you forfeited your right to be outraged by being a complete sucker.

and do you really think that landis's teammates, doctors, etc. are "loyal" just because they haven't ratted him or each other out? that's ridiculous.

I see Bob Roll busting this
By: schmalz
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:51pm

I see Bob Roll busting this story wide open!

Verb 1.hero-worship - love
By: H. Ater
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:51pm

Verb 1.hero-worship - love unquestioningly and uncritically or to excess; venerate as an idol; "Many teenagers idolized the Beatles"
idolise, idolize, revere, worship
adore - love intensely; "he just adored his wife"
drool over, slobber over - envy without restraint

Fanboys, take notice. Believe in yourself, the real heroes are dead.

floyd/lance
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:51pm

No worries cycling fans, I'm sure Phil and Paul will offer words reason in this shit-storm by mid afternoon.

you mean lim was doing more
By: Vincent Ergopower
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:48pm

you mean lim was doing more than making his special rice balls for floyd? ohmigod! shocker!

By that reasoning there
By: schmalz
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:46pm

By that reasoning there shouldn't be any informants whatsoever.

oh, and what got the
By: buttermilk jones lover
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:45pm

oh, and what got the financial system in trouble was china's recycling of dollars into US fixed-income assets, lax US monetary policy, and the fact that we have a sociallized housing system in the US but didn't want to acknowledge that fact. all the rest is more symptom rather than cause.

i'm not buttermilk jones
By: buttermilk jones lover
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:42pm

just a buttermilk jones lover. (don't want to give a bad name to the jones'ses')

schmalz, i live ethically - when i f-ck up, i admit it, apologize, make it right as best i can, make a commitment not to do it again, and move on. i'm sure you do the exact same. that's what floyd should do. come clean about what he did. give his *loyal* fans who he lied to and stole from an apology and their f-cking money back.

what i don't do is point out people who either were/are loyal friends/teammates and highlight things they've done wrong.

generally, another man's transgression (within reason) ain't my business. what others have done is between them, their fans and their conscience.

Pavel Gonda was not able to
By: Benedetto Sealant
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:41pm

Pavel Gonda was not able to be reached for comment...

Max Kellerman CNN? Did every
By: schmalz
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:34pm

Max Kellerman CNN? Did every other journalist pass away?

F@#% Buttermilk!
By: Joe Public (Duh!)
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:31pm

AND F@#% Lance!!!!

It's about time the truth comes out. It's the riders that are rumored to be clean, I mean really clean, that we're all interesting in hearing more on. Do they exist? Are they out there? Taylor Phinney? VanDevelde? Anyone - hello??!!

We'll all look back to the past two decades of the sport with mixed feelings. Think about, LA doping, Operation Puerto, Festina Affair, blah blah.... And what of a major Pharma Co known for manufacturing EPO sponsoring a major tour? Isn't that a bit odd in the light of the sports troubles with doping?

Landis
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:30pm

This is where Asian cyclist usher in a new era of clean cycling.

Oh wait, Alan Lim? Nooooo!

ha
By: ha
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:20pm

buttermilk jones, that is the best Lance impersonation ever! He must be saying exactly the same thing right now.

haha, buttermilk, you're a
By: loquacious jones
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:18pm

haha, buttermilk, you're a disgrace to the joneses.

is that the kind of thinking
By: schmalz
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:17pm

is that the kind of thinking that got the financial sector in trouble?

Floyd = most disloyal,
By: buttermilk jones lover
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:14pm

Floyd = most disloyal, scumbag rat f-ck the cycling world has ever seen. This is the same "Positively False" jackass who suckered young fans into giving him money to defend his doping? Are you f-cking kidding me? You gonna give that money back, Landis?

Say what you want about LA - Floyd is a f-cking disgrace. The doping I have no problem with, and never have. Who cares? Guys at the top will do whatever they can to win - enjoy the entertainment. But to dope, get caught, lie to get money out of your fans, and then unsolicited turn in teammates, coaches, support staff after the fact? Complete dishonor and disgrace. Shameful.

I know it's incredibly naive
By: Titouan Bottle
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:13pm

I know it's incredibly naive of me, but I was sad to see that Zabriskie was implicated.

hey ESPN--you don't even
By: Kobe Tracknut
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:13pm

hey ESPN--you don't even cover cycling. why are you all over this story?

say it ain't so (and he will)
By: loquacious jones
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:11pm

mike barry. inside the postal bus.

Lim emailed, doubt I'll be
By: Andy Shen
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:00pm

Lim emailed, doubt I'll be getting a response.

sorry, how does lemond (or
By: loquacious jones
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 1:55pm

sorry, how does lemond (or anyone else, for that matter) win here?

"2005: I had learned at this
By: ?
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 1:54pm

"2005: I had learned at this point how to do most of the transfusion technicals and other things on my own so I hired Allen Lim as my assistant to help with details and logistics. He helped Levi Leipheimer and I prepare the transfusions for Levi and I and made sure they were kept at the proper temperature. We both did two seperate transfusions that Tour however my hematocrit was too low at the start so I did my first one a few days before the start so as to not start with a deficit."

Andy hook us up with another Lim interview!

McQuaid is a well paid
By: mikeweb
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 1:43pm

McQuaid is a well paid retard, like the "donations" that the UCI received from the livestrong foundation. Funny, I didn't know that the UCI was in the business of cancer research...

Floyd
By: Grips
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 1:42pm

LeMond wins again.

Note to self: Should have
By: ToC Organizer
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 1:41pm

Note to self: Should have invited Bahati.

or an enabler
By: Juiced Newton
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 1:37pm

or an enabler

LANDIS
By: William Internal Routing
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 1:36pm

Here's to a new era in pro cycling!? (if it survives)

A little too late Floyd but thanks any way.

Kudos Mr. Albergotti

"He already made those
By: Piero Sealant
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 1:26pm

"He already made those accusations in the past," McQuaid said. "Armstrong has been accused many times in the past but nothing has been proved against him. And in this case, I have to question the guy's credibility. There is no proof of what he says. We are speaking about a guy who has been condemned for doping before a court."

Pat McQuaid sounds like a retard.

YES!
By: "Moosehunter," apparently
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 1:24pm

After a brief hiatus, our young scrivener comes in first place yet again - check out who gets first billing on the WSJ by-line:

http://tinyurl.com/34y4ro9

Way to go Mr Albergotti. Chapeau.*

Suck on that, Bullwinkle!

* Disclaimer & certification for the chapeau po-po: No, I did not actually remove my hat as I typed that. I did, however, re-adjust my toupée. Also, I do happen to be a Europhile (in particular, Italophile) doosh, dooch, or Deutsche depending upon your orthographical proclivities.

Floyd
By: Maxine Waters
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 1:15pm

The funny thing is that Floyd said that the test at the Tour was a false positive (which explains why he would spend so much coin to fight it). He said he used testosterone at other events, but not that Tour. Where's the guy that said "the system works"?

Ouch
By: Schiatuzzo Brifter
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 12:57pm

His jersey says it all.

Big deal, a liar decides to tell the truth. They all dope or have doped. Well, maybe except Cadel. Poor bugger.

The Shack
By: ERgometor
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 12:27pm

Will they now be disinvited to the Tour? The French have been on to something all these years...

RIP
By: West Coast Reader
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 12:17pm

Who will end their career tomorrow?

Who will pay lawyers thousands, hundreds of thousands starting tomorrow?

Who will lay themselves under the guillotine?

Who will throw their fellow cyclists under the bus?

All to be seen at the start of today's stage!

There is a good chance that
By: Florian Tigweld
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 11:14am

There is a good chance that Floyd will not be asked to be Cinco's godfather

Bonnie Ford from ESPN talks
By: schmalz
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 11:09am

Bonnie Ford from ESPN talks to Floyd.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5203604

??
By: Thibaut Bartape
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 2:33am
...and II
By: Schbalz
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 7:25pm

seriously un-cool (if you missed it yesterday):

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/josh-white/md-cyclists-cras...

...and
By: Schbalz
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 7:23pm

this year's Giro winner has yet to show his face.

VS vs NBC Universal
By: Schbalz
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 7:22pm

The problem with VS Network's coverage, in general--ToC, TdF, etc...is the b.s. filler/human interest segments, and over-production they shove down our throats. NBC Universal is perfect with the un-cut Euro feed and commentary in the background. Can't ask for more than that.

My man Cayetano Sarmiento
By: Guido Sarducci
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 7:20pm

My man Cayetano Sarmiento Tunarrosa is going to take the magleeya rosa just you wait & see.

CS
By: lee3
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 6:37pm

All he has to do is follow wheels. I think Evans and Vino arent done yet though and those guys are much stronger than Carlos right now. Lots of stages to race still.

Giro
By: ERgometor
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 6:29pm

Sastre will win overall. He is now in a perfect position. Gerdemanns could threaten him but its now Sastre's Giro.

holy crap
By: Charlie Sheen
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 6:23pm

nice one

Races...
By: lee3
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 6:24pm

The Giro is really kickin it up a notch in the drama dept. What was Astana thinking?
ToC coverage is top notch on the tracker site. Awesome to see dznuts get some.
I get an itching feeling that Evelyn will be standing on the top step at l'Aude. She's really kickin some veteran tail out there - @ 43sec.

I haven't watched one second
By: Pro Spring
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 5:54pm

I haven't watched one second of the ToC coverage. The greatest Giro in years is enough to get my fix. Plus, no Lance boot licking on Universal Sports. And the US announcers are orders of magnitude better than Phil and Paul.

Am I the only one who thinks
By: Arnaud Torque
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 5:46pm

Am I the only one who thinks Cadel Evans looks like a confused Erika Eleniak? http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/93rd-giro-ditalia-gt/stage-11/photos/12...

ToC Stage 2 blackout
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 5:12pm

Yeah, that was pretty lame. Probably told them the planes had to stay grounded or else they'd get sued if someone crashed. Univest had a bird in the air during a freekin' hurricane; ToC should hire those guys.

Jed
By: The Sensei
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 5:07pm

No, you mean Porn.

ugh
By: jkornbluh
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 3:44pm

VS coverage of ATOC is like watching Lost for the past six years: Just when things get interesting, they cut away to something so seemingly pointless that you get frustrated and turn on some porn. And by porn I mean pre-recorded Giro coverage on the DVR.

Ugh
By: Stiff
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 3:24pm

I HATE that song.

I prefer this version
By: schmalz
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 3:20pm
Is that Zabriskie driving the
By: mikeweb
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 3:16pm

Is that Zabriskie driving the TransAm?

Do you mean
By: schmalz
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 3:12pm
tick-tock...
By: mikeweb
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 2:58pm

tick-tock...

Now we wait...
By: schmalz
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 2:54pm

Now we wait...

Giro
By: mikeweb
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 2:51pm

I agree, this is great!

And thanks to Italian TV for actually getting video of a rainy stage, unlike VS on the Santa Rosa ToC stage.

Cinque chilometri per andare!
By: Lars Tubie
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 2:44pm

Cinque chilometri per andare!

Not to spoil today's
By: Stiff
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 2:40pm

Not to spoil today's Giro...But hells Yeah! That's what I'm talking about!

i've wondered about such a
By: Guido Biopace
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 2:36pm

i've wondered about such a system, only in the rear hub and disguised as a power tap

I would love to test the
By: schmalz
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 2:31pm

I would love to test the macGruber system, of course, I wouldn't use it in a race or anything...

assisted pedaling
By: Loic Lube
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 2:30pm

Dan, can you test that on NYVelocity? The fact that the rumoor came from the US...No wonder Lance admits to no doping, he had other help?...What's the penalty forgetting busted? the ride gets 2 years suspension? That sound almost stupid, as that's more likely a "team" effort...

Uh, ToC can't even update
By: Stiff
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 2:27pm

Uh, ToC can't even update their website. They still have Lancaster as the yellow jersey and Zabriskie 10 seconds back

ambiance
By: Amerigo Clearcoat
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 2:23pm

i like to watch the giro streaming, in italian and read live text updates on velonews

Contador must love watching
By: schmalz
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 2:21pm

Contador must love watching today's stage and the preview of his mighty Tour squad.

Blood, mud and tears
By: Juiced Newton
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 2:17pm

Blood, mud and tears...probably the best start to Giro...every day there are sit on the edge of the seat moments.

Maybe not as exciting yet, but still pretty cool to see the big guns go out to Cali and put the smack down.

I DVR them both and FF through the really slack parts.

Make sure to watch the Giro first though, cause every day Bone Head Phil throws out the Giro spoiler.

You guys complain about
By: Sofiane Neck
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 2:09pm

You guys complain about everything, upgrades, local race promoters, race coverage, blah, blah, blah

VS
By: Amerigo Clearcoat
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 2:01pm

VS has been a network in search of an identity for years, even when it was OLN. What is it? Huntin' and fishin'? Bull ridin' Hockey? Ultimate fighting? Cycling has always been the odd man out. They haven't figured it out. It's been a revolving door for management and staff within the industry since its inception.

VS
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 1:47pm

While VS definitely has de-emphasized cycling in their programming (which sucks), I'll cut them a break on yesterday. The NHL paid them a lot of money (for a regional sports network on steroids) to broadcast games, and so they should get priority when it comes to time slots. I got back from traveling for FBF's rainout last night and immediately when I turned it on there was a ticker saying that the finish would be broadcast on the race's website. In this day and age is it so hard to watch something on the internet?

Nevertheless, for the cycling fans VS is not doing well anymore. I've enjoyed watching the Giro on Universal Sports (now if Cablevision can get their HD channel that'd be sweet); hopefully they can pick up some of the slack.

Alan

Doping is ok, but motors is
By: Giorgio Kevlar
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 1:46pm

Doping is ok, but motors is FUCKED UP

Giro all the way
By: mehi
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 1:37pm

This has been the best starts to the Giro I have ever seen. Loved the muddy stage, and hated all the crashes but couldn't turn away. I watch the ToC later later if I'm still awake mostly because of Little John but like the Radion Shack /Garmin battle. HD is nice, if I watch the Giro after the HD it looks blury. Yesterday ToC was so lame with the coverage ending before the end of the stage.

Yeah, it's like racing on a
By: schmalz
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 1:35pm

Yeah, it's like racing on a moped.

Assisted pedaling
By: Loic Lube
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 1:31pm

Dan, that's really f@#cked up!

I watch the Giro in the
By: Yanis Rim
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 1:20pm

I watch the Giro in the morning to wake up and the ToC to put me to sleep at night

I like that ToC tracker and
By: mikeweb
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 1:19pm

I like that ToC tracker and they even had somewhat live video with it yesterday. It was even displaying Jens' wattage and cadence!

But having to listen to Paul & Phil was a downder. Is it me or do they actually sound bored?! Even during the exciting finish yesterday it was like they were commenting on the front nine of some no-name golf tournament. Add to that the non-sensical blather that comes out of their mouths every 2 minutes. Seriously, at one point one of them was literally spending time talking about how deep the Pacific ocean is and how "mighty" it is! LoL!

Screw Versus
By: CNCVICTIM
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 1:05pm

After yesterday, I'll not bother with them again. I'd rather watch the feeds on the net than listen to Liggett anyway.

Strange things afoot
By: moving violation
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 12:50pm

...indeed

This sounds like an Onion
By: schmalz
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 12:41pm
Giro
By: moving violation
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 12:41pm

I prefer a Brunello di Montalcino over an over oaked Cali Cab any day.

Strange things afoot at
By: schmalz
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 12:39pm

Strange things afoot at today's Giro

Giro, but I'll read about the
By: Arnaud Torque
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 12:33pm

Giro, but I'll read about the ToC

Yup
By: schmalz
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 12:21pm

Yup

giro
By: Palla Polished
Wed, 05/19/2010 - 12:18pm

giro

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